Why sell alcohol in air lines?Just curious

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
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> In message <evgkgr$qoq$1@news.freedom2surf.net> "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
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>>"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> William Black writes:
>>>
>>>> The chance of people becoming dangerous from booze is very small and,
>>>> for a
>>>> number of people, it's a necessity.
>>>
>>> Actually, alcohol is the number-one cause of problems with passengers
>>> aboard
>>> aircraft, from what crew members have told me.
>>>
>>> And if someone is addicted to alcohol, he should stay away from
>>> situations
>>> in
>>> which he won't be able to feed his addiction.
>>
>>Very true.
>>
>>What do you suggest as a relaxant/sedative for someone who is terrified of
>>flying?
>>
>>Alcohol will give you a headache, it's free and available and you don't
>>need
>>to produce an expensive doctor's letter to get it onto the aircraft...
>
> Diphenhydramine isn't bad. Methocarbamol works on most people,
> Dimenhydrinate works on most too...
>
> Consult your doctor.

I don't have a problem.

Some people do.

These people seem to use booze as a relaxant.


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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black writes:

> I don't have a problem.
>
> Some people do.
>
> These people seem to use booze as a relaxant.

I daresay that most people who drink on aircraft are not doing so out of a
need to relax.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> William Black writes:
>
>> I don't have a problem.
>>
>> Some people do.
>>
>> These people seem to use booze as a relaxant.
>
> I daresay that most people who drink on aircraft are not doing so out of a
> need to relax.

Last I heard from you, you neither flew (simulation doesn't count) nor drank
alcohol, so I've got to wonder what you're basing your opinion on...

Richard

Richard writes:

> Last I heard from you, you neither flew (simulation doesn't count) nor drank
> alcohol, so I've got to wonder what you're basing your opinion on...

Patterns of drug addiction that I've seen described in the literature.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> William Black writes:
>
>> I don't have a problem.
>>
>> Some people do.
>>
>> These people seem to use booze as a relaxant.
>
> I daresay that most people who drink on aircraft are not doing so out of a
> need to relax.
>

When I have a drink on an aircraft (usually a glass of wine) I do so as an
accompaniment to a meal or as an adjunct to passing the time on a long
flight. It is precisely the same as what I would do at home.

JohnT

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On Apr 10, 4:33 pm, "JohnT" <donots...@anywhere.uk> wrote:
> "Mxsmanic" <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4epn1356idjn6hj18rra7prg1fliovkci2@4ax.com...
>
> > William Black writes:
>
> >> I don't have a problem.
>
> >> Some people do.
>
> >> These people seem to use booze as a relaxant.
>
> > I daresay that most people who drink on aircraft are not doing so out of a
> > need to relax.
>
> When I have a drink on an aircraft (usually a glass of wine) I do so as an
> accompaniment to a meal or as an adjunct to passing the time on a long
> flight. It is precisely the same as what I would do at home.
>
> JohnT

And many people are like you, (Including myself) But on the other
hand, check out the airport bars at 8:00am. It's a different story.

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote ...
>
> Diphenhydramine isn't bad. Methocarbamol works on most people,
> Dimenhydrinate works on most too...
>

Chloral hydrate worked all too well for Anna Nicole (at least in combination
with her psychotropic cocktail approach).

> Consult your doctor.

Medical consultation seemed to contribute to her fatality.

I've observed over many decades that people who "need a drink" before
boarding an a/c tend to need one for other occasions even less daunting.
The airlines give away or sell alcohol because people have little else to do
while waiting and flying, more waiting than flying these days. I suppose
the budget airlines could drop both beverages and peanuts and run naught but
"Harder than Soft Porn" on the seatbacks, thus stimulating rapt attention
over extended periods and no disturbances except the occasional out break of
collective wanking or impersonal sexual assaults on seatmates. Come to
think of it, they could drop entertainment devices, and simply stuff the
seatback pockets with "Eight Pagers", the sexually-oriented comics of my
youth.

Personally (and at my age), a good book does just as well between catnaps.
"The Burma Road's" pages had taken me almost to Myitkina while the flight
went from lift off at BWI to touchdown at DFW last week.

TMO

William Black writes:

> What do you suggest as a relaxant/sedative for someone who is terrified of
> flying?

I don't know what's available well enough to make a suggestion. Actually, an
anxiolytic would probably be better than a tranquilizer; the latter are also
sedatives, whereas the former are not. Unless one wished to sleep as well, in
which case a tranquilizer might be a better choice.

In any case, a quick call or visit to the doctor would probably suffice to get
a prescription for something.

> Alcohol will give you a headache, it's free and available and you don't need
> to produce an expensive doctor's letter to get it onto the aircraft...

It will also dehydrate you, and encourage you to misbehave, and nauseate you.
Anxiolytics and tranquilizers are more specific than alcohol. The right tool
for the right job.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> William Black writes:
>
>> What do you suggest as a relaxant/sedative for someone who is terrified
>> of
>> flying?
>
> I don't know what's available well enough to make a suggestion. Actually,
> an
> anxiolytic would probably be better than a tranquilizer; the latter are
> also
> sedatives, whereas the former are not. Unless one wished to sleep as
> well, in
> which case a tranquilizer might be a better choice.
>
> In any case, a quick call or visit to the doctor would probably suffice to
> get
> a prescription for something.
>
>> Alcohol will give you a headache, it's free and available and you don't
>> need
>> to produce an expensive doctor's letter to get it onto the aircraft...
>
> It will also dehydrate you, and encourage you to misbehave, and nauseate
> you.
> Anxiolytics and tranquilizers are more specific than alcohol. The right
> tool
> for the right job.

People use booze.

I'm afraid the airlines seem to agree with them.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black writes:

> People use booze.
>
> I'm afraid the airlines seem to agree with them.

I'm always surprised by the complacency of society towards alcohol as compared
to so many other widely abused and largely useless drugs. Why is it okay to
drug oneself with ethanol until one vomits and becomes violent, but not okay
to take heroin to do the same?

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> William Black writes:
>
>> People use booze.
>>
>> I'm afraid the airlines seem to agree with them.
>
> I'm always surprised by the complacency of society towards alcohol as
> compared
> to so many other widely abused and largely useless drugs. Why is it okay
> to
> drug oneself with ethanol until one vomits and becomes violent, but not
> okay
> to take heroin to do the same?

In the UK heroin addicts who get sick on the streets tend to get taken to
hospital, drunks spend a night in the cells...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black writes:

> In the UK heroin addicts who get sick on the streets tend to get taken to
> hospital, drunks spend a night in the cells...

Why the difference? Binge drinking seems to be the national pastime in the
UK.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> William Black writes:
>
>> In the UK heroin addicts who get sick on the streets tend to get taken to
>> hospital, drunks spend a night in the cells...
>
> Why the difference? Binge drinking seems to be the national pastime in
> the
> UK.

Interestingly, not any more.

The relaxation in pub opening hours in the past twelve months seem to have
reduced crime due to drink by well over a third.

About half of what's left is drunk drivers.

Heroin addicts are poorly, drunks being sick on the street are people who
have allowed their socialising to get out of hand...

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In message <evgpv7$um7$1@news.freedom2surf.net> "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> William Black writes:
>>
>>> People use booze.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid the airlines seem to agree with them.
>>
>> I'm always surprised by the complacency of society towards alcohol as
>> compared
>> to so many other widely abused and largely useless drugs. Why is it okay
>> to
>> drug oneself with ethanol until one vomits and becomes violent, but not
>> okay
>> to take heroin to do the same?
>
>In the UK heroin addicts who get sick on the streets tend to get taken to
>hospital, drunks spend a night in the cells...

Indeed -- Another example of the same different in approach.

A better example would be alcohol and marijuana, since heroin is
chemically addictive.
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DevilsPGD writes:

> A better example would be alcohol and marijuana, since heroin is
> chemically addictive.

Both alcohol and heroin induce dependence, but withdrawal from heroin can be
cold turkey, whereas withdrawal cold-turkey from deep dependency on alcohol
can be dangerous.

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