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Red Arrows petition

Reply from: hiddelston@yahoo.co.uk
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 14:15
Re: Red Arrows petition

On Mar 18, 6:19 pm, "John Dundas"
<j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet . com > wrote:
> "Conor" <conor.tur...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.206776b741d87d4e98a21e@news.karoo.co.uk...
>
>
>
> > In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1...@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian
> > Robertson
> > says...
>
> >> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am
> >> concerned
> >> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by
> >> the
> >> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>
> > Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>
> > Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
> > decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose,
> > it's
> > just that for some people, there are better alternatives available
> > if
> > you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same
> > as
> > for anything.
>
> Well I have to agree with that. I spent 15 years in the Navy and we
> did buy our own kit when needed. This was a common occurrence. Also we
> were issued with a certain amount of kit but I always bought some
> extra working shirts and trousers, even found a Army/Navy store which
> was cheaper than buying them from our own stores.
>
> I have mixed feelings about display teams etc. They are good publicity
> machine for the forces. Its a pity they cant find a sponsor....Maybe
> Mr Branson?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excellent idea John - that would keep everyone happy.

Crawford


Reply from: Doug
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 14:19
Re: Red Arrows petition

On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Mar 18, 6:19 pm, "John Dundas"
>
>
>
> <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet . com > wrote:
> > "Conor" <conor.tur...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> >news:MPG.206776b741d87d4e98a21e@news.karoo.co.uk...
>
> > > In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1...@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian
> > > Robertson
> > > says...
>
> > >> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am
> > >> concerned
> > >> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by
> > >> the
> > >> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>
> > > Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>
> > > Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
> > > decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose,
> > > it's
> > > just that for some people, there are better alternatives available
> > > if
> > > you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same
> > > as
> > > for anything.
>
> > Well I have to agree with that. I spent 15 years in the Navy and we
> > did buy our own kit when needed. This was a common occurrence. Also we
> > were issued with a certain amount of kit but I always bought some
> > extra working shirts and trousers, even found a Army/Navy store which
> > was cheaper than buying them from our own stores.
>
> > I have mixed feelings about display teams etc. They are good publicity
> > machine for the forces. Its a pity they cant find a sponsor....Maybe
> > Mr Branson?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Excellent idea John - that would keep everyone happy.
>
Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
do without.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
w w w .zing.icom43 . net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.


Reply from: Gizmo.
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 14:41
Re: Red Arrows petition


"Doug" <jagmad@riseup . net > wrote in message
news:1174310397.228950.5600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
> do without.


Hurry up and die you sad old cunt



Reply from: ®i©ardo
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 15:27
Re: Red Arrows petition

Gizmo. wrote:
> "Doug" <jagmad@riseup . net > wrote in message
> news:1174310397.228950.5600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
>> do without.
>
>
> Hurry up and die you sad old cunt
>
>
Perhaps then he could get a first class flight with BA,

--
Moving things in still pictures!

Reply from: clavox@btinternet . com
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 17:37
Re: Red Arrows petition

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:41:34 -0000, "Gizmo." <spammers@suck.die>
wrote:

>
>"Doug" <jagmad@riseup . net > wrote in message
>news:1174310397.228950.5600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
>> do without.
>
>
>Hurry up and die you sad old cunt
>
You are exhibiting here the way young minds work or don't work
and I fully agree we could and should be doing without these highly
polluting showoffs, you are a typical example of the above.
Come back when you have had your nappy changed .


Reply from: Tony Dragon
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 19:54
Re: Red Arrows petition

Gizmo. wrote:
> "Doug" <jagmad@riseup . net > wrote in message
> news:1174310397.228950.5600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
>> do without.
>
>
> Hurry up and die you sad old cunt
Then we would have to bury him & polute the water table or burn him a
produce more CO2,
What a choice.


--
Tony the Dragon



Reply from: Brimstone
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 20:03
Re: Red Arrows petition

Tony Dragon wrote:
> Gizmo. wrote:
>> "Doug" <jagmad@riseup . net > wrote in message
>> news:1174310397.228950.5600@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>>> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
>>> do without.
>>
>>
>> Hurry up and die you sad old cunt
> Then we would have to bury him & polute the water table or burn him a
> produce more CO2,
> What a choice.

No problem, just leave him under one of the fridges in his back garden and
let him rot.



Reply from: Stephen Firth
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 20:32
Re: Red Arrows petition

Tony Dragon <tony.dragon@btinternet . com > wrote:

> > Hurry up and die you sad old cunt
> Then we would have to bury him & polute the water table or burn him a
> produce more CO2,

Surely the withered old bastard won't produce much CO2 if he is burned?
Besides, he produces far to much CO2 and methane just by existing and
eating lentils.

Reply from: friendsofderek@googlemail . com
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 15:13
Re: Red Arrows petition

On Mar 19, 1:19 pm, "Doug" <jag...@riseup . net > wrote:
> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > On Mar 18, 6:19 pm, "John Dundas"
>
> > <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet . com > wrote:
> > > "Conor" <conor.tur...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> > >news:MPG.206776b741d87d4e98a21e@news.karoo.co.uk...
>
> > > > In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1...@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian
> > > > Robertson
> > > > says...
>
> > > >> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am
> > > >> concerned
> > > >> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by
> > > >> the
> > > >> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>
> > > > Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>
> > > > Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
> > > > decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose,
> > > > it's
> > > > just that for some people, there are better alternatives available
> > > > if
> > > > you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same
> > > > as
> > > > for anything.
>
> > > Well I have to agree with that. I spent 15 years in the Navy and we
> > > did buy our own kit when needed. This was a common occurrence. Also we
> > > were issued with a certain amount of kit but I always bought some
> > > extra working shirts and trousers, even found a Army/Navy store which
> > > was cheaper than buying them from our own stores.
>
> > > I have mixed feelings about display teams etc. They are good publicity
> > > machine for the forces. Its a pity they cant find a sponsor....Maybe
> > > Mr Branson?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Excellent idea John - that would keep everyone happy.
>
> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
> do without.
>

may i suggest:
* portal.campaigncc.org/node/1411

as an environmentally friendly alternative you might enjoy ( still
showing off but in a good, save the planet kind of way)

Fod


Reply from: Doug
Date: 20 Mar 2007, 09:08
Re: Red Arrows petition

On 19 Mar, 15:13, "friendsofde...@googlemail . com "
<friendsofde...@googlemail . com > wrote:
> On Mar 19, 1:19 pm, "Doug" <jag...@riseup . net > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 18, 6:19 pm, "John Dundas"
>
> > > <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet . com > wrote:
> > > > "Conor" <conor.tur...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> > > >news:MPG.206776b741d87d4e98a21e@news.karoo.co.uk...
>
> > > > > In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1...@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian
> > > > > Robertson
> > > > > says...
>
> > > > >> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am
> > > > >> concerned
> > > > >> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>
> > > > > Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>
> > > > > Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
> > > > > decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose,
> > > > > it's
> > > > > just that for some people, there are better alternatives available
> > > > > if
> > > > > you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same
> > > > > as
> > > > > for anything.
>
> > > > Well I have to agree with that. I spent 15 years in the Navy and we
> > > > did buy our own kit when needed. This was a common occurrence. Also we
> > > > were issued with a certain amount of kit but I always bought some
> > > > extra working shirts and trousers, even found a Army/Navy store which
> > > > was cheaper than buying them from our own stores.
>
> > > > I have mixed feelings about display teams etc. They are good publicity
> > > > machine for the forces. Its a pity they cant find a sponsor....Maybe
> > > > Mr Branson?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Excellent idea John - that would keep everyone happy.
>
> > Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
> > do without.
>
> may i suggest: * portal.campaigncc.org/node/1411
>
> as an environmentally friendly alternative you might enjoy ( still
> showing off but in a good, save the planet kind of way)
>
Yes. Big improvement.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
w w w .zing.icom43 . net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.



Reply from: ®i©ardo
Date: 20 Mar 2007, 10:22
Re: Red Arrows petition

Doug wrote:
> On 19 Mar, 15:13, "friendsofde...@googlemail . com "
> <friendsofde...@googlemail . com > wrote:
>> On Mar 19, 1:19 pm, "Doug" <jag...@riseup . net > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Mar, 13:15, hiddels...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On Mar 18, 6:19 pm, "John Dundas"
>>>> <j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet . com > wrote:
>>>>> "Conor" <conor.tur...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.206776b741d87d4e98a21e@news.karoo.co.uk...
>>>>>> In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1...@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian
>>>>>> Robertson
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am
>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>>>>>> Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>>>>>> Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
>>>>>> decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> just that for some people, there are better alternatives available
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> for anything.
>>>>> Well I have to agree with that. I spent 15 years in the Navy and we
>>>>> did buy our own kit when needed. This was a common occurrence. Also we
>>>>> were issued with a certain amount of kit but I always bought some
>>>>> extra working shirts and trousers, even found a Army/Navy store which
>>>>> was cheaper than buying them from our own stores.
>>>>> I have mixed feelings about display teams etc. They are good publicity
>>>>> machine for the forces. Its a pity they cant find a sponsor....Maybe
>>>>> Mr Branson?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> Excellent idea John - that would keep everyone happy.
>>> Not me. These highly polluting showoffs are an expense we could well
>>> do without.
>> may i suggest: * portal.campaigncc.org/node/1411
>>
>> as an environmentally friendly alternative you might enjoy ( still
>> showing off but in a good, save the planet kind of way)
>>
> Yes. Big improvement.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> w w w .zing.icom43 . net
> One man's democracy is another man's regime.
>
>
Also of interest from the same site:

* portal.campaigncc.org/node/1845

on the subject of witch hunts...

--
Moving things in still pictures!

Reply from: Brian Robertson
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 15:52
Re: Red Arrows petition

Conor wrote:
> In article <hPPKh.2505$B37.1836@newsfe2-win.ntli . net >, Brian Robertson
> says...
>
>> My future son-in-law is in the Parachute Regiment and I am concerned
>> about why he has to buy much of his own equipment, that provided by the
>> MOD simply not being fit for purpose.
>>
> Have you been in the Forces Brian?
>
> Squaddies have bought their own gear and modified issue kit for
> decades. IT IS NOTHING NEW. The MOD issue kit is fit for purpose, it's
> just that for some people, there are better alternatives available if
> you're prepared to pay the horrendous money charged for them. Same as
> for anything.
>
>

Yes, I know that forces personel buy their own equipment, but there is
no excuse when it comes to basics like boots, because the army issue is
NOT fit for purpose.

Brian.

Reply from: clavox@btinternet . com
Date: 19 Mar 2007, 17:39
Re: Red Arrows petition

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:52:44 GMT, Brian Robertson
<brianrobertson@[nospam] . com > wrote:


>Yes, I know that forces personel buy their own equipment, but there is
>no excuse when it comes to basics like boots, because the army issue is
>NOT fit for purpose.

They must have changed some then my army boots where ok back in 1980.

Reply from: Graham2
Date: 20 Mar 2007, 14:51
Re: Red Arrows petition


<clavox@btinternet . com > wrote in message
news:v2ftv25r5jo1h6s51h04gcdhk5ehn8g6ee@4ax . com ...
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:52:44 GMT, Brian Robertson
> <brianrobertson@[nospam] . com > wrote:
>>
>>Yes, I know that forces personel buy their own equipment, but there is
>>no excuse when it comes to basics like boots, because the army issue is
>>NOT fit for purpose.
>
> They must have changed some then my army boots where ok back in 1980.
>
I don't suppose you used them in 50+ degrees heat in the desert though !

One of my mates had to use his black Hilegs as they had no desert boots left
and the soles started melting on the runway ...

Graham



Reply from: NM
Date: 17 Mar 2007, 13:35
Re: Red Arrows petition

On 17 Mar, 08:51, Joe Curry <EDIage...@HAGGISedinburghairport.org.uk>
wrote:
> The RED ARROWS aerobatic squadron of the Royal Air Force brings huge
> pride and international prestige to the UK, but the Treasury
> bean-counters in our beloved Government want to axe the Reds to save a
> couple of shillings. The personnel, pilots and aircraft of the
> squadron are all capable of deployment elsewhere in the RAF, so the
> money really saved would be peanuts.
>
> Cynics might observe that the move is a covert campaign to expunge
> from the public mind a potent and highly visible symbol of the very
> best of the Royal Air Force as an independent Air Arm of a United
> Kingdom giving up its identity to Europe...
>
> 10 Downing St website has an online petition * petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/. Please sign it. Don't let
> them get away with this.
>
> Please could you pass this on to those you know who also care.
> --

It will probably end up being privatised, The Marlboro Red Arrows Team
or Red Bull Arrows or whatever.



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