Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

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> Mike Hunt wrote:
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>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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>>>
>>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners
>>> usually don't operate close enough together to constitute a dnager,
>>> do they?)
>>
>>
>>
>> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
>
>
> Granted - never been further northwest than San Francisco, so I wouldn't
> know.
>

Well, there are ferries in SF Bay.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'


"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink,net > wrote in message
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> Mike Hunt wrote:
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>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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>>>
>>> wiggynurse@yahoo,com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <uw_badg...@email,com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>> to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>> on and on and on...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>>
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>> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>
> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
> my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
> when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
> close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)

Even you must have heard of the Titanic.

JohnT

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JohnT wrote
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> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
>
> JohnT
>

Wasn't that the movie with the kid that was on Growing Pains for some
episodes in '91-'92?

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'



JohnT wrote:

> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink,net > wrote in message
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>>Mike Hunt wrote:
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>>
>>>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>wiggynurse@yahoo,com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <uw_badg...@email,com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>>>to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>>>on and on and on...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>>>blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>>>so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>>
>>No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
>>my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
>>when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
>>close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
>
>
> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.

Were the operators of the Titanic drunk? I thought it was
just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
"unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:

> Were the operators of the Titanic drunk?

No, but the crews (including captains) of some other large ships involved in
accidents have been drunk, so it is a serious problem.

> I thought it was
> just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
> "unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.

A number of factors converged in the _Titanic_ incident.

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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

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> Were the operators of the Titanic drunk? I thought it was just that
> they gave too much credence to the claims it was "unsinkable" and forgot
> to post an iceberg watch.

They had an iceberg watch. He said, "Iceberg dead ahead".
The ship might have been saved if the iceberg had been hit head on.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'


"Mike Hunt" <postmaster@localhost> wrote in message
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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> >
> > Were the operators of the Titanic drunk? I thought it was just that
> > they gave too much credence to the claims it was "unsinkable" and forgot
> > to post an iceberg watch.
>
> They had an iceberg watch. He said, "Iceberg dead ahead".
> The ship might have been saved if the iceberg had been hit head on.
>
The ship might have been saved if TITANIC's speed had been reduced to
compensate for the conditions.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

Mike Hunt writes:

> They had an iceberg watch. He said, "Iceberg dead ahead".
> The ship might have been saved if the iceberg had been hit head on.

It struck the side of the ship, so it wasn't head on. But the ship was moving
quickly and turned very slowly, so even after seeing the iceberg it wasn't
possible to move out of the way quickly enough.

While fighter pilots have to learn to act instantly, ship captains have to
learn to anticipate things well in advance, often seconds or minutes or
longer.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Mike Hunt writes:
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>>They had an iceberg watch. He said, "Iceberg dead ahead".
>>The ship might have been saved if the iceberg had been hit head on.
>
>
> It struck the side of the ship, so it wasn't head on.

Yes, isn't that what I said?

> While fighter pilots have to learn to act instantly, ship captains have to
> learn to anticipate things well in advance, often seconds or minutes or
> longer.
>

Correct, so clear thinking is important on ships.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:

> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
> case of airline pilots!

If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
little difference.

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Make credence recognised that on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:28:41 +0100,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail,com > has scripted:

>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
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>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>> case of airline pilots!
>
>If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>little difference.

So subject golf caddies to the same test, after all, people have died
after a poor game.
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'



Mxsmanic wrote:

> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>>due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>>catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>>case of airline pilots!
>
>
> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
> little difference.
>

If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

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>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>
>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>> little difference.
>>
>
> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!

But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'



Mike Hunt wrote:

> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall
>>> makes
>>> little difference.
>>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
>
>
> But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.

Past caring about THAT, too! ;-)

Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink charge

On Mar 19, 4:39 pm, "Rubba Luva" <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> http :// uk.news.yahoo,com /19032007/344/pilot-smelled-strongly-alcohol....
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> Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
> The Press Association Monday March 19, 02:49 PM
>
> An airline pilot turned up for work while almost six-and-a-half times
> over the drink limit to fly a plane, a court has heard.
>
> American James Yates, 46, smelled strongly of alcohol and was unsteady
> on his feet when he turned up for duty at Manchester Airport, it has
> been claimed.
>
> A First Officer with American Airlines, he was to be one of three
> pilots on a 10.30am transatlantic flight to Chicago with 181
> passengers on board on February 11 last year, Manchester's Minshull
> Street Crown Court
> (Advertisement)
> was told.
>
> But when he went to go through a security gate for flight crew in his
> pilots uniform he could not find his identification security pass.
>
> Security staff could smell drink and called in police, who arrested
> Yates. He then failed a breathalyser test, Martin Walsh, prosecuting,
> told the jury.
>
> "Police arrived and the defendant smelled strongly of intoxicants,
> alcohol, and he was asked to provide a specimen of breath," Mr Walsh
> added. "He provided a specimen of breath and it was positive."
>
> The first specimen showed Yates had 71 micrograms of alcohol in 100
> millilitres of breath. The legal limit for driving a car is 35
> micrograms and for an aircraft is nine micrograms, the jury were told.
>
> Yates was arrested and taken to Altrincham Police Station where a
> doctor took a blood sample. This gave a result of 129 micrograms of
> alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood, the court was told. The legal
> limit for flying an aircraft is 20 micrograms. "He was approaching six-
> and-a-half times the legal limit for flying an aircraft," Mr Walsh
> said.
>
> Yates, from Ohio, US, told police he turned up for work to tell the
> captain he was sick and unable to perform his duties and it was not
> his intention to be part of the crew on that flight.
>
> The case continues.

http :// uk.news.yahoo,com /21032007/344/pilot-cleared-drink-charge.html

Pilot cleared of drink charge
The Press Association Wednesday March 21, 03:37 PM

Pilot cleared of drink charge
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An airline pilot accused of turning up drunk for a transatlantic
flight has been cleared by a jury after a three-day trial.

American James Yates, 46, was allegedly almost six-and-a-half times
the drink limit to fly an aircraft, Minshull Street Crown Court,
Manchester heard.

Yates is a first officer with American Airlines and was to be one of
the three pilots on a long-haul flight carrying 181 passengers from
Manchester Airport to Chicago on February 11 last year.

The jury heard he had
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been out for a drinking session in Manchester the night before he was
due to fly. He turned up for work dishevelled, red-faced and appearing
apparently drunk, the court was told.

Yates told the court he never intended to be part of the crew for the
flight. He said he only turned up at the airport to inform the flight
captain he would be unable to perform his duties.

He was cleared of a single charge of carrying out an activity
ancillary to an aviation function while over the drink limit.

The court heard Yates, from Ohio, US, was arrested after a positive
breathalyser test and taken to a police station, where a blood test
gave a reading of 129 milligrams of alcohol in 100 millilitres of
blood, with the legal limit for flying an aircraft 20 milligrams.

Earlier, Brigadier General Thomas Botchie, a senior commander in the
Ohio National Guard, told the court he had known Yates since they were
both fighter pilots in the military unit in the 1980s.

"I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
General Botchie said.

Yates was not charged with attempting to fly an aircraft while over
the limit as he did not gain access to the plane. He denied a single
charge of carrying out an activity ancillary to an aviation function,
that of acting as first officer, while over the limit.