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Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet . net > wrote in message
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>
> Dave wrote:
>> "datsdenews" <dats@news.2.me> wrote in message
>> news:cgfv03pq5k39cfcjheeuqjp9bf902237ag@news...
>> > Bitch should have kept her mouth shut?
>> >
>>
>> No shit, they never search you LEAVING a plane. If it was inadvertent,
>> she
>> should have just called out sick or something and found another way
>> ome. -Dave
>
> Oh, I see. It's OK to commit a felony if you don't get caught! Use
> the rule that Washington Politicians use: "if you don't get caught
> then there is no crime"!
There was no intent to commit a felony. Let's say you are trying to board a
flight in the continental U.S. UNKNOWN TO YOU, someone slips a loaded
firearm into your carry-on bag. Do you think it's OK that you will now be
convicted of a felony and serve time in prison? If not, why not?
> Nope, I think it's pretty sensible. Any person, United employee or
> not, who tries to have the means of self-defense at hand is obviously
> a criminal at best and perhaps even a terrorist.
OK, now you are WAY out there, man. If this flight attendant was a
terrorist, then so am I.
> "Bearing arms"
> clearly only applies to the army and government employees not to
> airline personnel even if they have a uniform.
Courts have ruled that the right to bear arms applies to the individual, not
to any particular group or "militia", etc. As an individual, this
particular person has the right to bear arms. She happens to be a flight
attendant, but that does not in any way affect her personal right to bear
arms. That is, except that -deliberately- carrying firearms on airplanes is
a huge no-no. So if she chooses to bear arms, she'd better leave those arms
at home during working hours.
> Methinks a quick flight to Egypt or Jordan is in order where a little
> taste of the rack will loosen her tongue! At least after she confesses
> and is convicted she'll never have to worry about this sort of thing
> again since then even TOUCHING a gun will be a new felony.
What would you have her convicted of? Carelessness? Still legal, last I
checked. -Dave
"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet . net > wrote in message
news:1175462473.595535.104820@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>
> Dave wrote:
>> "datsdenews" <dats@news.2.me> wrote in message
>> news:cgfv03pq5k39cfcjheeuqjp9bf902237ag@news...
>> > Bitch should have kept her mouth shut?
>> >
>>
>> No shit, they never search you LEAVING a plane. If it was inadvertent,
>> she
>> should have just called out sick or something and found another way
>> ome. -Dave
>
> Oh, I see. It's OK to commit a felony if you don't get caught! Use
> the rule that Washington Politicians use: "if you don't get caught
> then there is no crime"!
There was no intent to commit a felony. Let's say you are trying to board a
flight in the continental U.S. UNKNOWN TO YOU, someone slips a loaded
firearm into your carry-on bag. Do you think it's OK that you will now be
convicted of a felony and serve time in prison? If not, why not?
> Nope, I think it's pretty sensible. Any person, United employee or
> not, who tries to have the means of self-defense at hand is obviously
> a criminal at best and perhaps even a terrorist.
OK, now you are WAY out there, man. If this flight attendant was a
terrorist, then so am I.
> "Bearing arms"
> clearly only applies to the army and government employees not to
> airline personnel even if they have a uniform.
Courts have ruled that the right to bear arms applies to the individual, not
to any particular group or "militia", etc. As an individual, this
particular person has the right to bear arms. She happens to be a flight
attendant, but that does not in any way affect her personal right to bear
arms. That is, except that -deliberately- carrying firearms on airplanes is
a huge no-no. So if she chooses to bear arms, she'd better leave those arms
at home during working hours.
> Methinks a quick flight to Egypt or Jordan is in order where a little
> taste of the rack will loosen her tongue! At least after she confesses
> and is convicted she'll never have to worry about this sort of thing
> again since then even TOUCHING a gun will be a new felony.
What would you have her convicted of? Carelessness? Still legal, last I
checked. -Dave
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
"Benj" wrote in:
>
>"Bearing arms" clearly only applies to the army
>and government employees...
That sounds like typical liberal propaganda if you're saying that all citizens
can't or should not bear arms in their own home. Your definition would defeat
the idea of the second amendment.
"Benj" wrote in:
>
>"Bearing arms" clearly only applies to the army
>and government employees...
That sounds like typical liberal propaganda if you're saying that all citizens
can't or should not bear arms in their own home. Your definition would defeat
the idea of the second amendment.
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
On Apr 1, 10:18 am, datsdenews <d...@news.2.me> quoted Associated
Press:
> WASHINGTON Mar 31, 2007 (AP)- A uniformed flight attendant was arrested at
> Dulles International Airport after she turned herself in for allegedly
> carrying a concealed handgun aboard a flight from Atlanta, authorities said
> Saturday.
What an idiot. She should have just kept her mouth shut about the
thing - and she'd never have been charged. Lessons here.
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On Apr 1, 10:18 am, datsdenews <d...@news.2.me> quoted Associated
Press:
> WASHINGTON Mar 31, 2007 (AP)- A uniformed flight attendant was arrested at
> Dulles International Airport after she turned herself in for allegedly
> carrying a concealed handgun aboard a flight from Atlanta, authorities said
> Saturday.
What an idiot. She should have just kept her mouth shut about the
thing - and she'd never have been charged. Lessons here.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! * w w w .INTERNET-GUN-SHOW . com
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
datsdenews wrote:
> Bitch should have kept her mouth shut?
>
> * abcnews.go . com /US/wireStory?id=2998356&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
> Flight Attendant Arrested for Weapon
>
> Uniformed Flight Attendant Arrested at D.C. Airport After Taking Gun on
> Flight, Officials Say
>
> By LUBNA TAKRURI
>
> WASHINGTON Mar 31, 2007 (AP)— A uniformed flight attendant was arrested at
> Dulles International Airport after she turned herself in for allegedly
> carrying a concealed handgun aboard a flight from Atlanta, authorities said
> Saturday.
>
> The Transportation Security Administration, the FBI and other law
> enforcement agencies were investigating if the woman had gone through
> security and if the gun passed through a checkpoint unnoticed in Atlanta,
> TSA spokesman Barry Phelps said.
>
> Janet Tucker, 45, of Lithonia, Ga., turned herself in Friday for carrying
> the weapon on United flight 7591, said Rob Yingling, a spokesman for the
> Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority. She was in uniform but was not
> part of the duty crew at the time, he said.
>
> "It seems it was an inadvertent incident, from her description," he said.
>
> Tucker was arrested and cited on charges of having a concealed weapon at
> the airport. She was interviewed and released on a summons to appear in
> Loudoun County Court in Virginia at a future date, Yingling said. It was
> not clear whether a court date had been scheduled and he didn't know
> whether Tucker had a lawyer.
>
> United Airlines spokesman Jeff Kovick said a United employee had been
> arrested but would not confirm any other information.
>
> Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport spokesman Herschel
> Grangent had no further comment. A telephone message seeking comment from
> FBI officials in Atlanta was not immediately returned.
The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
datsdenews wrote:
> Bitch should have kept her mouth shut?
>
> * abcnews.go . com /US/wireStory?id=2998356&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
> Flight Attendant Arrested for Weapon
>
> Uniformed Flight Attendant Arrested at D.C. Airport After Taking Gun on
> Flight, Officials Say
>
> By LUBNA TAKRURI
>
> WASHINGTON Mar 31, 2007 (AP)— A uniformed flight attendant was arrested at
> Dulles International Airport after she turned herself in for allegedly
> carrying a concealed handgun aboard a flight from Atlanta, authorities said
> Saturday.
>
> The Transportation Security Administration, the FBI and other law
> enforcement agencies were investigating if the woman had gone through
> security and if the gun passed through a checkpoint unnoticed in Atlanta,
> TSA spokesman Barry Phelps said.
>
> Janet Tucker, 45, of Lithonia, Ga., turned herself in Friday for carrying
> the weapon on United flight 7591, said Rob Yingling, a spokesman for the
> Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority. She was in uniform but was not
> part of the duty crew at the time, he said.
>
> "It seems it was an inadvertent incident, from her description," he said.
>
> Tucker was arrested and cited on charges of having a concealed weapon at
> the airport. She was interviewed and released on a summons to appear in
> Loudoun County Court in Virginia at a future date, Yingling said. It was
> not clear whether a court date had been scheduled and he didn't know
> whether Tucker had a lawyer.
>
> United Airlines spokesman Jeff Kovick said a United employee had been
> arrested but would not confirm any other information.
>
> Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport spokesman Herschel
> Grangent had no further comment. A telephone message seeking comment from
> FBI officials in Atlanta was not immediately returned.
The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
FerdinandAkin writes:
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
> herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
> advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
> hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
The most notorious incidents of hijacking did not require guns.
The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for _objects_
is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at _people_, not the
things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
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FerdinandAkin writes:
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
> herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
> advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
> hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
The most notorious incidents of hijacking did not require guns.
The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for _objects_
is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at _people_, not the
things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
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Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
> The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for objects
> is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at people , not the
> things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
> better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
> The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for objects
> is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at people , not the
> things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
> better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo . com > wrote in
news:1175529163.727642.78690@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups . com :
>> The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for
>> _objects_ is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at
>> _people_, not the things they are carrying. Profiling and careful
>> interrogation work a lot better than x-ray machines and metal
>> detectors.
>
> You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
> single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
> way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
>
> But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
> and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
> There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
Most of the 911 hijackers entered this country legally. They simply
overstayed their visas. They become hard to find if they don't wish to
be found.
RD
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo . com > wrote in
news:1175529163.727642.78690@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups . com :
>> The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for
>> _objects_ is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at
>> _people_, not the things they are carrying. Profiling and careful
>> interrogation work a lot better than x-ray machines and metal
>> detectors.
>
> You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
> single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
> way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
>
> But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
> and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
> There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
Most of the 911 hijackers entered this country legally. They simply
overstayed their visas. They become hard to find if they don't wish to
be found.
RD
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
In article <1175529163.727642.78690@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for
> > _objects_
> > is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at _people_, not the
> > things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
> > better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
>
> You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
> single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
> way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
>
> But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
> and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
> There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
Absolutely. I have no idea how Bush can justify with a straight face
spending billions and sacrificing lives fighting this war on terror
overseas and yet he won't even close the front door. Anyone can just
walk right in.
In article <1175529163.727642.78690@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups . com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > The whole strategy of "security" in the U.S. is skewed. Looking for
> > _objects_
> > is not the way to find terrorists. You have to look at _people_, not the
> > things they are carrying. Profiling and careful interrogation work a lot
> > better than x-ray machines and metal detectors.
>
> You have to do both. There's no way to do a background check on every
> single person who books a flight. Therefore, an unbiased XRay is ONE
> way to possibly find people who are up to no good.
>
> But the first step in ALL of this is to close the border to illegals
> and kick out anybody who isn't legally allowed to stay in the US.
> There's no way to have ANY level of security without first doing this.
Absolutely. I have no idea how Bush can justify with a straight face
spending billions and sacrificing lives fighting this war on terror
overseas and yet he won't even close the front door. Anyone can just
walk right in.
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
FerdinandAkin wrote:
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
Consider that the attendant may have had an agenda. Had she kept her mouth shut,
the media and politicians would never have found out that an off duty FA was
able to sneak a gun past security.
This incident may give opposition politicians some ammunition to blame the
governming party for failures in airport security. And it *should* motivate
airport authorities to find out how this happened and whether this was
systematic or just a glitch.
It is hard to believe that a flight attendant would pack a gun in her hand
luggage without realising it was a big NO-NO. It looks to me like this was
intentional.
The fact that she was not only allowed past security, but also on a flight and
reported this only after the flight adds to the drama, versus turning herself in
at the departure airport where this incident would not have made the media news.
FerdinandAkin wrote:
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
Consider that the attendant may have had an agenda. Had she kept her mouth shut,
the media and politicians would never have found out that an off duty FA was
able to sneak a gun past security.
This incident may give opposition politicians some ammunition to blame the
governming party for failures in airport security. And it *should* motivate
airport authorities to find out how this happened and whether this was
systematic or just a glitch.
It is hard to believe that a flight attendant would pack a gun in her hand
luggage without realising it was a big NO-NO. It looks to me like this was
intentional.
The fact that she was not only allowed past security, but also on a flight and
reported this only after the flight adds to the drama, versus turning herself in
at the departure airport where this incident would not have made the media news.
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
> herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
> advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
> hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
attendant's uniform and security badges. -Dave
> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
> herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
> advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
> hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
attendant's uniform and security badges. -Dave
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
Mike T. wrote:
>> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
>>herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
>>advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
>>hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
>
>
>
> Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
> attendant's uniform and security badges. -Dave
>
and learn how to say "b-bye"
Mike T. wrote:
>> The flight attendant should have kept her mouth shut. By turning
>>herself in and allowing this incident to become public, it is an open
>>advertisement that guns can and do get past security. Any potential
>>hijacker is taking notes on how the gun got on board the aircraft.
>
>
>
> Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
> attendant's uniform and security badges. -Dave
>
and learn how to say "b-bye"
Re: United flight attendant arrested for carrying gun on flight
Mike T. writes:
> Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
> attendant's uniform and security badges.
Many flight attendants are male.
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Mike T. writes:
> Yeah, now all they have to do is dress in drag and steal a flight
> attendant's uniform and security badges.
Many flight attendants are male.
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