BA sat corpse in first class

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgm...@earthlink . net > wrote:
> Rubba Luva wrote:
> > * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>
> >>From The Sunday Times
> > March 18, 2007
> > BA sat corpse in first class
> > Steven Swinford
> > Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
> > week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
> > the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>
> > "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
> > to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
> > Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>
> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
> a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
> sort of event for which advance planning would be given
> priority!)

Why not? This would not be common but it does happen.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 18 Mar 2007 18:09:11 -0700, "PeterL" <po.ning@gmail . com > wrote:

>On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
><evgm...@earthlink . net > wrote:
>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>> > * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>>
>> >>From The Sunday Times
>> > March 18, 2007
>> > BA sat corpse in first class
>> > Steven Swinford
>> > Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
>> > week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
>> > the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>>
>> > "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
>> > to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
>> > Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>>
>> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>> a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>> sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>> priority!)
>
>Why not? This would not be common but it does happen.
Burial at sea, usually chucked overboard with the Captain saying a few
words.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class


"irwell" <hook@yahoo . com > wrote in message
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> On 18 Mar 2007 18:09:11 -0700, "PeterL" <po.ning@gmail . com > wrote:
>
>>On Mar 18, 5:54 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>><evgm...@earthlink . net > wrote:
>>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>>> > * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>>>
>>> >>From The Sunday Times
>>> > March 18, 2007
>>> > BA sat corpse in first class
>>> > Steven Swinford
>>> > Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
>>> > week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
>>> > the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>>>
>>> > "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
>>> > to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
>>> > Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>>>
>>> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>>> a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>>> sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>>> priority!)
>>
>>Why not? This would not be common but it does happen.
> Burial at sea, usually chucked overboard with the Captain saying a few
> words.
>
Grow up, son.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > wrote:

> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> advance planning would be given priority!)

The article said that BA alone has to deal with approximately 10 midair
fatalities a year.


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Re: BA sat corpse in first class



Dave Fossett wrote:

> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > wrote:
>
>> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a
>> passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event
>> for which advance planning would be given priority!)
>
>
> The article said that BA alone has to deal with approximately 10 midair
> fatalities a year.

Hmmm.... That's one of the potential dangers of air-travel
no-one talks about! ;-)

>
>

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

>> The article said that BA alone has to deal with approximately 10
>> midair fatalities a year.
>
> Hmmm.... That's one of the potential dangers of air-travel no-one talks
> about! ;-)

That would be because it's not a potential danger of air travel per se.

Take the same group of people and put them up in a hotel for a day or
two ... some will die.

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Craig

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"Craig Welch" <craig@pacific . net .sg> wrote in message
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>> The article said that BA alone has to deal with approximately 10 midair
>>> fatalities a year.
>>
>> Hmmm.... That's one of the potential dangers of air-travel no-one talks
>> about! ;-)
>
> That would be because it's not a potential danger of air travel per se.
>
> Take the same group of people and put them up in a hotel for a day or two
> ... some will die.
>
> --
> Craig

refund my flight and give me some free flight to anywhere of my choice and i
will put up with a stiff next to me, its the live ones that hurt you not the
dead ones

Re: BA sat corpse in first class


"Dave Fossett" <reply@via.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > wrote:
>
> > No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> > die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> > advance planning would be given priority!)
>
> The article said that BA alone has to deal with approximately 10 midair
> fatalities a year.

If British Airways experiences a SINGLE "mid-air", I can assure you that
there would be a LOT more than 10 fatalities. Sure you don't mean
"IN-FLIGHT" fatalities? :O|

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

Duuh

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>
>
> Rubba Luva wrote:
>
>> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>>
>>>From The Sunday Times
>> March 18, 2007
>> BA sat corpse in first class
>> Steven Swinford
>
>> Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
>> week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
>> the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>>
>> "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
>> to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
>> Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>
> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> advance planning would be given priority!)
>

Re: BA sat corpse in first class


"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > wrote in message
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>
>
> Rubba Luva wrote:
>
>> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>>
>>>From The Sunday Times
>> March 18, 2007
>> BA sat corpse in first class
>> Steven Swinford
>
>> Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
>> week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
>> the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>>
>> "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
>> to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
>> Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>
> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> advance planning would be given priority!)

I don't think it is so rare. There are so many thousands of long haul
flights per day, some people stressed, cramped seating, poor circulation,
etc.
A friend used to do Hadj flights from Indonesia to Saudi and said deaths on
the plane were quite common (many passenger being very old and probably
often stressed). She said they usually tried to pretend the body was just
asleep until they got back to Jakarta, as a death could mean too much
paperwork and delays in Saudi.
I assume that the crew would try to keep these events as quiet as possible,
but this BA case seems to show the opposite, moving the unfortunate lady
from economy through business up to 1st.. I wonder why they didn't use one
of the crew sleeping cubicles (in the back on a 747 I think)

I have been on at least one plane with a dead guy - but he died just before
landing (suicide!) so storing the body wasn't an issue.




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On Mar 19, 5:58 am, "RAK" <rakn...@gmail . com > wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink . net > wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rubba Luva wrote:
>
> >> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>
> >>>From The Sunday Times
> >> March 18, 2007
> >> BA sat corpse in first class
> >> Steven Swinford
>
> >> Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
> >> week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
> >> the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>
> >> "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
> >> to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
> >> Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>
> > No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> > die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> > advance planning would be given priority!)
>
> I don't think it is so rare. There are so many thousands of long haul
> flights per day, some people stressed, cramped seating, poor circulation,
> etc.
> A friend used to do Hadj flights from Indonesia to Saudi and said deaths on
> the plane were quite common (many passenger being very old and probably
> often stressed). She said they usually tried to pretend the body was just
> asleep until they got back to Jakarta, as a death could mean too much
> paperwork and delays in Saudi.
> I assume that the crew would try to keep these events as quiet as possible,
> but this BA case seems to show the opposite, moving the unfortunate lady
> from economy through business up to 1st.. I wonder why they didn't use one
> of the crew sleeping cubicles (in the back on a 747 I think)
>
> I have been on at least one plane with a dead guy - but he died just before
> landing (suicide!) so storing the body wasn't an issue.
>
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I wonder if there is a connection between hadj and the deaths during
flight so observed. Perhaps the deceased felt their last duty
furfilled they have no desire to stick around anymore? It will be
shocking to me to see anyone die on my flight.

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> On Mar 19, 5:58 am, "RAK" <rakn...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink . net > wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Rubba Luva wrote:
>>
>> >> * w w w .timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1530572.ece
>>
>> >>>From The Sunday Times
>> >> March 18, 2007
>> >> BA sat corpse in first class
>> >> Steven Swinford
>>
>> >> Paul Trinder, who awoke to see the body at the end of his row, last
>> >> week described the journey as "deeply disturbing", and complained that
>> >> the airline dismissed his concerns by telling him to "get over it".
>>
>> >> "It was a complete mess - they seemed to have no proper plans in place
>> >> to deal with the situation," said Trinder, 54, a businessman from
>> >> Brackley, Northamptonshire.
>>
>> > No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a
>> > passenger
>> > die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
>> > advance planning would be given priority!)
>>
>> I don't think it is so rare. There are so many thousands of long haul
>> flights per day, some people stressed, cramped seating, poor circulation,
>> etc.
>> A friend used to do Hadj flights from Indonesia to Saudi and said deaths
>> on
>> the plane were quite common (many passenger being very old and probably
>> often stressed). She said they usually tried to pretend the body was just
>> asleep until they got back to Jakarta, as a death could mean too much
>> paperwork and delays in Saudi.
>> I assume that the crew would try to keep these events as quiet as
>> possible,
>> but this BA case seems to show the opposite, moving the unfortunate lady
>> from economy through business up to 1st.. I wonder why they didn't use
>> one
>> of the crew sleeping cubicles (in the back on a 747 I think)
>>
>> I have been on at least one plane with a dead guy - but he died just
>> before
>> landing (suicide!) so storing the body wasn't an issue.
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from * w w w .teranews . com - Hide quoted
>> text -
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> I wonder if there is a connection between hadj and the deaths during
> flight so observed. Perhaps the deceased felt their last duty
> furfilled they have no desire to stick around anymore? It will be
> shocking to me to see anyone die on my flight.
>
Maybe. Plus Indonesian friends who have done hadj have told me it is a very
moving experience- I guess that can be stressful as well as a good thing,
maybe a bit too much for an 80 year old.



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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have a passenger
> die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the sort of event for which
> advance planning would be given priority!)

Here's an excerpt from AEDinfo . com :

"The Airline Passenger Safety Act, enacted in April 1998, requires the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to review the contents of medical
kits carried on commercial airplanes. Administrative rules proposed by
the FAA as required by this law would mandate that every commercial
aircraft be equipped with specified life-saving equipment and
appropriately stocked first-aid and medical kits, including AEDs
[defibrillators], and that flight crew members be trained in their use.
It is estimated that 1,000 persons die each year due to cardiac arrest
suffered on international commercial airline carriers. More and more
airlines are equipping their fleets with AEDs."

Reading the last sentence makes me think that this text hasn't been
revised recently. I believe all US commercial airplanes now carry
defibrillators. Admittedly, the incident described by the OP took place
on a BA carrier. Notwithstanding the high incidence of American obesity,
I've got to assume lots of carriers are similarly equipped because
they've got similar problems.

Karen Selwyn

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> I believe all US commercial airplanes now carry defibrillators.
> Admittedly, the incident described by the OP took place on a BA
> carrier. Notwithstanding the high incidence of American obesity,
> I've got to assume lots of carriers are similarly equipped because
> they've got similar problems.

Which in some ways might make for situations worse than having a corpse
next to you...

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Per Jack Campin - bogus address:
>Which in some ways might make for situations worse than having a corpse
>next to you...
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