Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

Per Mxsmanic:
>> I got the point.
>
>What was the point?

Probably summed up in the little ditty

"This is my rifle, this is my gun.
This one's for fighting, and this one's for fun."

--
PeteCresswell

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On 2007-04-09 11:26:18 -0400, "Walt" <weaver1308@gmail . com > said:

> One of the Rangers, a Senior Master Sergeant, gently grabbed me by the
> sleeve of my flight suit and said "Sir, those are not our guns. Would
> you like me to show you my gun?"

Almost a direct quote from Uris's "Battle Cry".

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

> * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html

They cancelled a flight over a little bad language? What fucking shitheads

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On 2007-04-07 18:34:13 -0400, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> said:

>> * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html
>
> They cancelled a flight over a little bad language? What fucking shitheads

Here comes good ole Dave Smith again. I guess he would have been
totally comfortable on that flight.

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

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On Apr 7, 5:34 pm, "Dave" <n...@nohow.not> wrote:
> > * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html
>
> They cancelled a flight over a little bad language? What fucking shitheads.

Well, let's see here. An unstable Pilot. Probibly no replacement
Pilot at short notice. Money lost on the flight, Reembursing all
passengers, a plane sitting idle. Yup!!! They cancelled the flight
because they're shitheads. No doubt about it.

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

Dave writes:

> > * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html
>
> They cancelled a flight over a little bad language?

Not over bad language, but over the state of mind that the use of such
language and the outburst of such emotion might suggest for the pilot.

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Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On Apr 7, 3:34 pm, "Dave" <n...@nohow.not> wrote:
> > * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html
>
> They cancelled a flight over a little bad language? What fucking shitheads



It was more than just "bad language", it was because of the emotional
instability of the pilot. When you are
flying a giant bird, and have to be ready for just about any
emergency, you can't be an emotional wreck.
The airline did the right thing, as crazy as it might seem.

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On Apr 7, 10:07 am, Thank you for flying F ck Air
<thank...@forflying.f-ck.air> wrote:
> Flight canceled after pilot curses at passengers
> April 7, 2007
>
> (CNN) -- Northwest Airlines canceled a flight with 180 passengers
> aboard after the pilot began cursing at passengers while the plane was
> being prepared for takeoff in Las Vegas on Friday, airline officials
> and witnesses said.
>
> The cancellation disrupted Easter travel plans for many of the
> passengers.
>
> From the moment the captain stepped aboard Flight 1190 to Detroit,
> first-class passengers reported hearing him use "animated" language
> while talking on his cell phone, Federal Aviation Administration
> spokesman Ian Gregor told CNN.
>
> "He was having a fit, swearing up a storm," a passenger on the flight
> said. "He was saying 'F this' and 'F that.'"
>
> When confronted about it by passengers, the pilot became "obscene" and
> began cursing at the customers, she said. "He made a big disturbance."
>
> The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and the local FAA flight standards
> office were notified, Gregor said. Police arrived on the scene, pulled
> the pilot aside and interviewed him.
>
> He was not administered a field sobriety test. Gregor said he did not
> know the reasons behind that decision and CNN was unable to
> immediately contact the police officers involved.
>
> The FAA officials called Northwest Airlines headquarters and were
> instructed by the chief pilot for the company to remove the pilot from
> the aircraft. The chief pilot also requested that the pilot be flown
> to Detroit for further questioning, Gregor said.
>
> Northwest Airlines then canceled the flight, apologized for the delay
> and offered hotel accommodations and penalty-free re-booking on the
> next available flight out of Las Vegas, a spokesman for the airline
> said.
>
> The airline said "a review of the matter" was being conducted and the
> decision to cancel the flight was made "due to reports of
> inappropriate language by a crew member."
>
> Mike Fergus, an FAA spokesman, said the FAA's flight standards
> investigation unit was looking into the incident. According to Fergus,
> the FAA has the authority to send a "letter of admonition" to the
> pilot or, in the most extreme cases, revoke a pilot's FAA certificate,
> which would ground the pilot.
>
> "I had to call and cancel two family dinners and we're stuck here an
> extra night," a passenger said. "We've been at the airport for six
> hours waiting -- it's chaos. It's Easter weekend...we want to be
> home."
>
> * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html



I know this was an isolated incident, but hassles like this is making
train travel much more attractive.
Infact, train travel makes far more sense in areas where cities are
close together anyway. (Los Angeles/
Vegas/San Fransisco/San Diego would be perfect for this. So would the
northeast).

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

balanco01@yahoo . com writes:

> I know this was an isolated incident, but hassles like this is making
> train travel much more attractive.
> Infact, train travel makes far more sense in areas where cities are
> close together anyway. (Los Angeles/
> Vegas/San Fransisco/San Diego would be perfect for this. So would the
> northeast).

With high-speed trains, that would be even more true. Very high speed trains
in Europe have cut deeply into airline business, because they make trips of
less than 1000 km or so faster by train than by plane, and with far, far less
hassle. The trains are also city center to city center, and you just step on
and off, without any waiting, boarding lines, delays, cancellations, or
two-hour commutes between the airport and the city each way.

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Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

True.. The only downside is that the high-speed trains often cost more
than traveling by air!

--Dan



>
> With high-speed trains, that would be even more true. Very high speed trains
> in Europe have cut deeply into airline business, because they make trips of
> less than 1000 km or so faster by train than by plane, and with far, far less
> hassle. The trains are also city center to city center, and you just step on
> and off, without any waiting, boarding lines, delays, cancellations, or
> two-hour commutes between the airport and the city each way.
>
> --
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Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

Dan writes:

> True.. The only downside is that the high-speed trains often cost more
> than traveling by air!

Where? In France they are somewhat cheaper, last time I checked.

Also in France, high-speed trains have nearly wiped out air travel on some
routes. A train can get you from Paris to Lyons in under two hours, downtown
to downtown. In comparison, just coming into Paris from the suburbs in a car
can take longer than that, and flying between the cities can easily take four
hours or more, because of the huge amounts of time required to get to and from
airports, waiting in lounges, boarding delays, etc.

As a result, practically no one flies between Paris and Lyons these days,
indeed, when the first high-speed trains started, air travel between the
cities dropped by 50% in the first month alone. And the train service is so
fast and reliable that some people live in one city and work in another, even
though they are further apart than Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

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Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

Thank you for flying F_ck Air wrote:
> Flight canceled after pilot curses at passengers
> April 7, 2007
>
> (CNN) -- Northwest Airlines canceled a flight with 180 passengers
> aboard after the pilot began cursing at passengers while the plane was
> being prepared for takeoff in Las Vegas on Friday, airline officials
> and witnesses said.
>
> The cancellation disrupted Easter travel plans for many of the
> passengers.
>
> From the moment the captain stepped aboard Flight 1190 to Detroit,
> first-class passengers reported hearing him use "animated" language
> while talking on his cell phone, Federal Aviation Administration
> spokesman Ian Gregor told CNN.
>
> "He was having a fit, swearing up a storm," a passenger on the flight
> said. "He was saying 'F this' and 'F that.'"
>
> When confronted about it by passengers, the pilot became "obscene" and
> began cursing at the customers, she said. "He made a big disturbance."
>
> The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and the local FAA flight standards
> office were notified, Gregor said. Police arrived on the scene, pulled
> the pilot aside and interviewed him.
>
> He was not administered a field sobriety test. Gregor said he did not
> know the reasons behind that decision and CNN was unable to
> immediately contact the police officers involved.
>
> The FAA officials called Northwest Airlines headquarters and were
> instructed by the chief pilot for the company to remove the pilot from
> the aircraft. The chief pilot also requested that the pilot be flown
> to Detroit for further questioning, Gregor said.
>
> Northwest Airlines then canceled the flight, apologized for the delay
> and offered hotel accommodations and penalty-free re-booking on the
> next available flight out of Las Vegas, a spokesman for the airline
> said.
>
> The airline said "a review of the matter" was being conducted and the
> decision to cancel the flight was made "due to reports of
> inappropriate language by a crew member."
>
> Mike Fergus, an FAA spokesman, said the FAA's flight standards
> investigation unit was looking into the incident. According to Fergus,
> the FAA has the authority to send a "letter of admonition" to the
> pilot or, in the most extreme cases, revoke a pilot's FAA certificate,
> which would ground the pilot.
>
> "I had to call and cancel two family dinners and we're stuck here an
> extra night," a passenger said. "We've been at the airport for six
> hours waiting -- it's chaos. It's Easter weekend...we want to be
> home."
>
> * w w w .cnn . com /2007/US/04/07/swearing.pilot/index.html
He heard the ad: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" NOT

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On 2007-04-09 10:50:03 -0400, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail . com > said:

> Returning to the topic at hand, I don't consider courtesy to be an important
> job function for pilots or flight attendants. As long as the pilots are
> competent at flying and the flight attendants ensure safety, they are doing
> their jobs. If they are polite, that's a fringe benefit, but not a condition
> of employment.

You live in a different world than most people, who would be extremely
offended if a pilot, flight attendant or anyone else were gratuitously
rude to them. Perhaps the Internet has sent you into a different time
warp.

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On 2007-04-09 16:00:12 -0400, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail . com > said:

> No, it's just that taking offense is not one of my character defects. And I
> encourage others to cultivate a similar tolerance; it would certainly make the
> world a nicer place.

That's DEAD WRONG. Courtesy, and concern for the sensibilities of
others, are what "make the
> world a nicer place."

Re: Obscene pilot forces Northwest to cancel flight

On 2007-04-10 10:36:23 -0400, "Peter Dohm" <lefty133@bellsouth . net > said:

>
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:q4ml13dia5oc262jcki3okea8d13i1adva@4ax . com ...
>> Per Mxsmanic:
>>> And any attempt to
>>> avoid offending others is an exercise in futility, as everything and
> anything
>>> is sure to offend someone, somewhere.
>>
>> Having been treasurer of 1,200-member civic association for about 7 years,
> I'll
>> not only agree with that but add one more: out of a thousand people, at
> any
>> given moment in time at least five of them are stone crazy... and it's
> *not*
>> always the same five.
>> --
>> PeteCresswell
>
> LOL!
>
> That sounds like understatement.

Somehow, I can't see the basic sense or intelligence or
levelheadedness, or whatever, in people who can't discern a difference
between what crazy people might do and what normal people might do,
think or feel if confronted by a pilot, flight attendant, hotel clerk,
bus driver, attorney, cleaning woman or other who curses at them and
treats them like dirt.