BA sat corpse in first class

Re: BA sat corpse in first class



"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > skrev i meddelandet
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>
> jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com wrote:
>
>> On 20 mrt, 12:14, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>>
>>>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>>
>>>><dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>>>>>>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>>>>>>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>>>>>>priority!)
>>>
>>>>>10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>>>>>person in a seat?
>>>
>>>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>>>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>>>>area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>>>
>>>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>>>thanks !!
>>
>>
>> Just noticed - the flight was from Delhi - probably the toilets were
>> in pretty much constant use. Actually, I'd have thought that the smell
>> of a decaying corpse would be pretty much insignificant in that
>> environment.
>
> "Decaying" corpse? I suppose it is technically true that a corpse begins
> to decay from the instant it BECOMES a corpse, but in an air-conditioned
> environment, I doubt the odor would become noticeable immediately.
> (Assuming the passenger died in flight, and was not carried aboard after
> death by the grieving relatives.)
>
Unfortunately yes, it's not unlikely that a corpse releases body functions
from stomach and bladder. It's a careful job for the undertaker to clean
and present a nice corpse for the relatives.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 21 mrt, 02:39, "Lennart Petersen" <lennart.peter...@swipnet.se>
wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink . net > skrev i meddelandetnews:etpsl31l9n@news2.newsguy . com ...
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>
>
>
> > jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>
> >> On 20 mrt, 12:14, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>
> >>>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>
> >>>>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>
> >>>><dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
> >>>>>>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
> >>>>>>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
> >>>>>>priority!)
>
> >>>>>10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
> >>>>>person in a seat?
>
> >>>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
> >>>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
> >>>>area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>
> >>>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
> >>>thanks !!
>
> >> Just noticed - the flight was from Delhi - probably the toilets were
> >> in pretty much constant use. Actually, I'd have thought that the smell
> >> of a decaying corpse would be pretty much insignificant in that
> >> environment.
>
> > "Decaying" corpse? I suppose it is technically true that a corpse begins
> > to decay from the instant it BECOMES a corpse, but in an air-conditioned
> > environment, I doubt the odor would become noticeable immediately.
> > (Assuming the passenger died in flight, and was not carried aboard after
> > death by the grieving relatives.)
>
> Unfortunately yes, it's not unlikely that a corpse releases body functions
> from stomach and bladder. It's a careful job for the undertaker to clean
> and present a nice corpse for the relatives

I'll be travelling BA tomorrow - Business, not First. I'm certainly
looking forward to my flight now. Hopefully I won't have the
opportunity to find out just how bad a corpse smells after a 7 hour
flight !

B;

Re: BA sat corpse in first class



<jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com > skrev i meddelandet
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> On 21 mrt, 02:39, "Lennart Petersen" <lennart.peter...@swipnet.se>
> wrote:
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgm...@earthlink . net > skrev i
>> meddelandetnews:etpsl31l9n@news2.newsguy . com ...
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>>
>> >> On 20 mrt, 12:14, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>>
>> >>>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>>
>> >>>>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>
>> >>>><dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>> >>>>>>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>> >>>>>>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>> >>>>>>priority!)
>>
>> >>>>>10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>> >>>>>person in a seat?
>>
>> >>>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>> >>>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>> >>>>area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>>
>> >>>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>> >>>thanks !!
>>
>> >> Just noticed - the flight was from Delhi - probably the toilets were
>> >> in pretty much constant use. Actually, I'd have thought that the smell
>> >> of a decaying corpse would be pretty much insignificant in that
>> >> environment.
>>
>> > "Decaying" corpse? I suppose it is technically true that a corpse
>> > begins
>> > to decay from the instant it BECOMES a corpse, but in an
>> > air-conditioned
>> > environment, I doubt the odor would become noticeable immediately.
>> > (Assuming the passenger died in flight, and was not carried aboard
>> > after
>> > death by the grieving relatives.)
>>
>> Unfortunately yes, it's not unlikely that a corpse releases body
>> functions
>> from stomach and bladder. It's a careful job for the undertaker to
>> clean
>> and present a nice corpse for the relatives
>
> I'll be travelling BA tomorrow - Business, not First. I'm certainly
> looking forward to my flight now. Hopefully I won't have the
> opportunity to find out just how bad a corpse smells after a 7 hour
> flight !
> B;
>
My r.t.w trip with BA was excellent so I think you've little if anything to
worry about. Happy landing ! :-)

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

Lennart Petersen wrote:

> <jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com > skrev i meddelandet

>> I'll be travelling BA tomorrow - Business, not First. I'm certainly
>> looking forward to my flight now. Hopefully I won't have the
>> opportunity to find out just how bad a corpse smells after a 7 hour
>> flight !
>> B;
>>
> My r.t.w trip with BA was excellent so I think you've little if anything to
> worry about. Happy landing ! :-)

That's reassuring ... based on a sample of one, all will be OK!

--
Craig

Re: BA sat corpse in first class



Lennart Petersen wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink . net > skrev i meddelandet
> news:etpsl31l9n@news2.newsguy . com ...
>
>>
>>jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 20 mrt, 12:14, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>>>
>>>>><dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>>>>>>>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>>>>>>>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>>>>>>>priority!)
>>>>
>>>>>>10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>>>>>>person in a seat?
>>>>
>>>>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>>>>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>>>>>area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>>>>
>>>>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>>>>thanks !!
>>>
>>>
>>>Just noticed - the flight was from Delhi - probably the toilets were
>>>in pretty much constant use. Actually, I'd have thought that the smell
>>>of a decaying corpse would be pretty much insignificant in that
>>>environment.
>>
>>"Decaying" corpse? I suppose it is technically true that a corpse begins
>>to decay from the instant it BECOMES a corpse, but in an air-conditioned
>>environment, I doubt the odor would become noticeable immediately.
>>(Assuming the passenger died in flight, and was not carried aboard after
>>death by the grieving relatives.)
>>
>
> Unfortunately yes, it's not unlikely that a corpse releases body functions
> from stomach and bladder. It's a careful job for the undertaker to clean
> and present a nice corpse for the relatives.

Oh. I forgot about THAT factor! (My "experience" with
corpses is limited to mystery fiction and the more literate
among the current offerings on TV, which tend not to
emphasize such things, however graphically they may depict
the victim's demise.)

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:04:22 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgmsop@earthlink . net > wrote:

>Oh. I forgot about THAT factor! (My "experience" with
>corpses is limited to mystery fiction and the more literate
>among the current offerings on TV, which tend not to
>emphasize such things, however graphically they may depict
>the victim's demise.)

thats what happened with our cat.
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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 20 Mar 2007 04:14:51 -0700, jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com wrote:

>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>
>> <dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>> >>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>> >>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>> >>priority!)
>>
>> >10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>> >person in a seat?
>>
>> As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>> have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>> area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>
>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>thanks !!
>
>B;

Most 747's have more than one; some even have more than
two...(A BA 747 has at least a dozen, not counting the crew
area:-)

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 20 mrt, 13:02, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2007 04:14:51 -0700, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>
> >> <dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
> >> >>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
> >> >>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
> >> >>priority!)
>
> >> >10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
> >> >person in a seat?
>
> >> As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
> >> have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
> >> area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>
> >And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
> >thanks !!
>
> >B;
>
> Most 747's have more than one; some even have more than
> two...(A BA 747 has at least a dozen, not counting the crew
> area:-)

Last 747 I flew on had only one in Business Class - there was a bit of
an anxious time after breakfast was served ... :-)

B;

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 20 Mar 2007 05:57:06 -0700, jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com wrote:

>On 20 mrt, 13:02, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:14:51 -0700, jeremyrh....@yahoo . com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>
>> >> <dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>> >> >>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>> >> >>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>> >> >>priority!)
>>
>> >> >10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>> >> >person in a seat?
>>
>> >> As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>> >> have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>> >> area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>>
>> >And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>> >thanks !!
>>
>> >B;
>>
>> Most 747's have more than one; some even have more than
>> two...(A BA 747 has at least a dozen, not counting the crew
>> area:-)
>
>Last 747 I flew on had only one in Business Class - there was a bit of
>an anxious time after breakfast was served ... :-)
>
>B;
Grace L Ferguson Airlines? Did they have straps to hold
while you landed?


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On 20 Mar 2007 04:14:51 -0700, jeremyrh.geo@yahoo . com wrote:

>On 20 mrt, 10:00, Alan S <noth...@there . com > wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000, The Reid
>>
>> <dont...@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>No "proper plans in place"? How often does ANY airline have
>> >>a passenger die in transit? (It really doesn't seem the
>> >>sort of event for which advance planning would be given
>> >>priority!)
>>
>> >10 a year on BA, anyone have a solution that doesnt involve a dead
>> >person in a seat?
>>
>> As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>> have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>> area. I'm sure that would be policy on some airlines.
>
>And have everyone cross their legs because the toilet is occupied? No
>thanks !!
>
>B;
Yes, it's clear that crew have trouble keeping their legs together.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:00:06 GMT, Alan S <nothere@there . com > wrote:

>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>area.

I dont know these planes as I dont do long haul, planes Ive been on
dont have crew area or toilets, except for tiny space they "make" food
in.
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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:06 +0000, The Reid
<dontuse@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:00:06 GMT, Alan S <nothere@there . com > wrote:
>
>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>>area.
>
>I dont know these planes as I dont do long haul, planes Ive been on
>dont have crew area or toilets, except for tiny space they "make" food
>in.

I doubt it would have been a problem on short-haul. They
wouldn't even have moved her if they were landing within the
hour.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Re: BA sat corpse in first class



"Alan S" <nothere@there . com > skrev i meddelandet
news:qt1103tq5igaq1t8vtlteif6qtf7c5e5am@4ax . com ...
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:06 +0000, The Reid
> <dontuse@fellwalk.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:00:06 GMT, Alan S <nothere@there . com > wrote:
>>
>>>As several others have noted, I don't see why they could not
>>>have locked her in a toilet, preferably one in the crew
>>>area.
>>
>>I dont know these planes as I dont do long haul, planes Ive been on
>>dont have crew area or toilets, except for tiny space they "make" food
>>in.
>
> I doubt it would have been a problem on short-haul. They
> wouldn't even have moved her if they were landing within the
> hour.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
--------------------
In Europe typically there're plenty of alternative airports could be ½ h or
less.
The decision in a such case is possibly to reach the nearest.

Re: BA sat corpse in first class

Rubba Luva writes:

> The woman's daughter and son-in-law arrived soon after and began
> grieving. Trinder said: "It was terrifying. I put my earplugs in but
> couldn't get away from the fact that there was a woman wailing at the
> top of her voice just yards away. It was a really intense, primal
> sound.

In many cultures, people are conditioned to wail and cry in a very
melodramatic way as a public display of grief.

> He became particularly concerned about the state of the body. "When
> you have a decaying body on a plane at room temperature for more than
> five hours there are significant health and safety risks," he said.

That would be my concern, also.

> After the plane landed, those in first class remained on board for an
> hour before police and a coroner gave the all-clear.

Did they have trouble identifying the dead one?

> "The police even started interviewing me as a potential witness,
> although I had no idea what had happened to the woman. I just kept
> thinking to myself: 'I've paid more than £3,000 for this'," Trinder
> said.
>
> When contacted by BA about the complaint, Trinder says he was told he
> would not be compensated and should "get over" the incident.

BA seems to have a lot of problems lately. Travelling with an engine out,
corpses in first class ... it's getting very weird.

> BA said the dead woman was taken into first class because the rest of
> the plane was full.

Why did her daughter and son-in-law get a free ride in first?

> A spokesman said: "When a customer passes away on board it is always
> difficult and we apologise for any distress caused."

Sounds like a well-oiled machine is already in place.

> He said there were about 10 deaths each year out of 36m passengers.

Do they all get free upgrades?

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Re: BA sat corpse in first class

Mxsmanic wrote:

> BA seems to have a lot of problems lately. Travelling with an engine out,
> corpses in first class ... it's getting very weird.

That's not a 'lot of problems'. Nothing unusual, nothing that doesn't
occur to all other long haul airlines.

--
Craig