Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

Sarah Czepiel wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:44:08 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds@erols,com > wrote:
>
> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
> :>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:58:13 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds@erols,com > wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
> :>> :>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:52:04 -0400, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring,com >
> :>> :>> wrote:
> :>> :>>
> :>> :>> :>
> :>> :>> :>"Bob Willard" <BobwBSGS@TrashThis,com cast,net > wrote in message
> :>> :>> <snip>
> :>> :>> :>
> :>> :>> :>I am sure these claims are total BS. What I don't understand is the
> :>> :>> :>motivation for making them. Is he looking for investors? Or does he just
> :>> :>> :>want his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?
> :>> :>> :>
> :>> :>> :>Ed
> :>> :>>
> :>> :>>
> :>> :>> You're sure? See the last paragraph. I guess we'll see soon enough.
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Heck, I've seen people kill their spouse for $25k of life insurance. It
> :>> :>isn't a stretch at all for this numb nuts to think he can fleece
> :>> :>Progressive out of $10 million with a scam he invented. I guess just
> :>> :>the fact he registered makes him legitimate?
> :>>
> :>> With you logic it's a good thing you don't work for Progressive Ins.
> :>> Company. :)
> :>
> :>You're a trusting soul, Sarah.
>
> You assume quite a lot, Michael. Trust but verify is my motto. IF I had
> $10 million dollars to give away I'd listen to all sorts of people and
> their ideas. Listening is free.

Two things come to mind. First, these people that are going to enter
Progressive's contest are likely to be wannabes with a magical black box
that the judges are going to crack open and then laugh their asses off
at what they see. Second, Progressive knows the odds of them losing
their $10 million is slim to none. It is an advertising gimmick.

> :>I have lived long enough to hear
> :>thousands of miracle invention claims for just about anything
> :>imaginable. Maybe because I'm an engineer it makes me cynical when I
> :>hear someone had an epiphany occur to them in their garage that lets
> :>them skip all the R&D a company like Toyota does year after year to
> :>bring a 55 mpg hybrid car to market for $20k-$23k. If getting 100 mpg
> :>from an old Mustang was that easy it would have been done by now.
> :>Progressive doesn't have to worry about losing their $10 million anytime
> :>soon. ;)
>
> Plenty of engineers in my family Michael, all IEEE members, as well as two
> who graduated from GMI, and I can't say there's a cynical one among them.
> My father was an engineer at GE, an Elfun member, and when he retired the
> QC Manager for the WD Division, US. When he died his design work for GE
> during WWII and the subsequent Cold War years was still classified. My
> background therefore gives me a different opinion of engineers as not that
> of cynics but of skeptics when evaluating wild claims or seemingly
> impossible events. YMMV of course.

Skeptical is a better term. Either way, I, or your engineer relatives,
aren't holding our collective breath waiting for a 100+ mpg ICE.
Especially, one conceived by a mechanic using a low tech Mustang. I
guess since he was featured by a TV station he has instant credibility.
Here is a quote from the WGAL web article:

"Pelmear told television station WNWO that the car hasn't traded power
for miles per gallon. Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well
over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds."

What are the odds this mechanic has a 400 hp, 100+ mpg, 0-60 mph in
three seconds Mustang siting in his garage? The very claim is beyond
being laughable. It is clear that the reporter that wasted their time
on this story has about as much knowledge of mechanics as my cat.

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:33:35 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds@erols,com > wrote:

:>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:44:08 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds@erols,com > wrote:
:>>
:>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:>> :>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:58:13 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds@erols,com > wrote:
:>> :>>
:>> :>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:>> :>> :>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:52:04 -0400, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring,com >
:>> :>> :>> wrote:
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>> :>"Bob Willard" <BobwBSGS@TrashThis,com cast,net > wrote in message
:>> :>> :>> <snip>
:>> :>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>> :>I am sure these claims are total BS. What I don't understand is the
:>> :>> :>> :>motivation for making them. Is he looking for investors? Or does he just
:>> :>> :>> :>want his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?
:>> :>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>> :>Ed
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>> You're sure? See the last paragraph. I guess we'll see soon enough.
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>Heck, I've seen people kill their spouse for $25k of life insurance. It
:>> :>> :>isn't a stretch at all for this numb nuts to think he can fleece
:>> :>> :>Progressive out of $10 million with a scam he invented. I guess just
:>> :>> :>the fact he registered makes him legitimate?
:>> :>>
:>> :>> With you logic it's a good thing you don't work for Progressive Ins.
:>> :>> Company. :)
:>> :>
:>> :>You're a trusting soul, Sarah.
:>>
:>> You assume quite a lot, Michael. Trust but verify is my motto. IF I had
:>> $10 million dollars to give away I'd listen to all sorts of people and
:>> their ideas. Listening is free.
:>
:>Two things come to mind. First, these people that are going to enter
:>Progressive's contest are likely to be wannabes with a magical black box
:>that the judges are going to crack open and then laugh their asses off
:>at what they see.

It's going to cost them $5K each as an entry fee. That seems a bit steep
for a cheap laugh.

:>Second, Progressive knows the odds of them losing
:>their $10 million is slim to none.

Actuarial's....

:>It is an advertising gimmick.

And so? But what if it isn't?

:>> :>I have lived long enough to hear
:>> :>thousands of miracle invention claims for just about anything
:>> :>imaginable. Maybe because I'm an engineer it makes me cynical when I
:>> :>hear someone had an epiphany occur to them in their garage that lets
:>> :>them skip all the R&D a company like Toyota does year after year to
:>> :>bring a 55 mpg hybrid car to market for $20k-$23k. If getting 100 mpg
:>> :>from an old Mustang was that easy it would have been done by now.
:>> :>Progressive doesn't have to worry about losing their $10 million anytime
:>> :>soon. ;)
:>>
:>> Plenty of engineers in my family Michael, all IEEE members, as well as two
:>> who graduated from GMI, and I can't say there's a cynical one among them.
:>> My father was an engineer at GE, an Elfun member, and when he retired the
:>> QC Manager for the WD Division, US. When he died his design work for GE
:>> during WWII and the subsequent Cold War years was still classified. My
:>> background therefore gives me a different opinion of engineers as not that
:>> of cynics but of skeptics when evaluating wild claims or seemingly
:>> impossible events. YMMV of course.
:>
:>Skeptical is a better term.

Ya see? I've never thought you were a cynical person Michael. :)

Either way, I, or your engineer relatives,
:>aren't holding our collective breath waiting for a 100+ mpg ICE.
:>Especially, one conceived by a mechanic using a low tech Mustang. I
:>guess since he was featured by a TV station he has instant credibility.
:> Here is a quote from the WGAL web article:
:>
:>"Pelmear told television station WNWO that the car hasn't traded power
:>for miles per gallon. Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well
:>over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds."
:>
:>What are the odds this mechanic has a 400 hp, 100+ mpg, 0-60 mph in
:>three seconds Mustang siting in his garage? The very claim is beyond
:>being laughable. It is clear that the reporter that wasted their time
:>on this story has about as much knowledge of mechanics as my cat.

I guess we'll see if Pelmear plunks down his $5K entry fee. :)

Cheers, Sarah

Burning up the gas.....
2004 Mach 1
2005 C6

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:52:04 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring,com > wrote:

>
>"Bob Willard" <BobwBSGS@TrashThis,com cast,net > wrote in message
>news:XdqdnXHXpNVHY_bVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> admin@ng2000,com wrote:
>>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>>
>>> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the
>>> modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the
>>> gallon.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> But wait! There's more!
>>
>> It goes well over 100-miles per hour.
>>
>> "It's 400 horsepower and has 500-foot pounds of torque. Off the line,
>> it goes from zero to 60 in three seconds," he said.
>>
>> Pelmear won't show what's under the hood. Some of his gizmos are
>> still awaiting patents.
>>
>> But the secret lies in making engines more efficient.
>>
>> The only part I do believe is "secret lies"; the rest is B.S.
>> --
>> Cheers, Bob
>
>I am sure these claims are total BS. What I don't understand is the
>motivation for making them. Is he looking for investors? Or does he just
>want his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?
>
>Ed
>
Wasn't that '15 minutes of shame"?

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

C. E. White wrote:
> "Bob Willard" <BobwBSGS@TrashThis,com cast,net > wrote in message
> news:XdqdnXHXpNVHY bVnZ2dnUVZ ofinZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> admin@ng2000,com wrote:
>>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>>
>>> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the
>>> modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the
>>> gallon.
>>>
>>>
>> But wait! There's more!
>>
>> It goes well over 100-miles per hour.
>>
>> "It's 400 horsepower and has 500-foot pounds of torque. Off the line,
>> it goes from zero to 60 in three seconds," he said.
>>
>> Pelmear won't show what's under the hood. Some of his gizmos are
>> still awaiting patents.
>>
>> But the secret lies in making engines more efficient.
>>
>> The only part I do believe is "secret lies"; the rest is B.S.
>> --
>> Cheers, Bob
>
> I am sure these claims are total BS. What I don't understand is the
> motivation for making them. Is he looking for investors? Or does he just
> want his 15 minutes of fame (infamy)?

I look at a mega car company like Toyota that gets 55 mpg from the next
generation Prius, their high mpg wonder hybrid. How much R&D have they
put into that car to get that mpg rating? More than the entire annual
budgets of many states.

Now here comes a mechanic in Ohio that takes an ancient Mustang and
works his common man knowledge on it to get 110 mpg from it. When will
common sense take over and keep us from giving these snake oil salesmen
their 15 minutes of dubious fame. I wish I had a dollar for ever yahoo
that has claimed to reinvent the internal combustion engine to get
100-200 mpg. I could go pay cash for a Prius with the funds.

The other thing that always accompanies these stories is that the
government/oil companies/auto makers (take your pick or even a
combination of them) are out to stamp out the latest wonder technology.
It is all a self reinforcing delusion. These idiots claim to invent
the new wonder technology, then they claim they have been sabotaged by
big brother and therein lies their built-in excuse to not have to prove
their claims. Meanwhile they probably managed to fleece any number of
people out of some cash. It's funny how these stories always reach a
fever pitch when gas prices spike. To quote PT Barnum, "There's a
sucker born every minute."

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

What... nobody remembers the Pogue carburettor?


<admin@ng2000,com > wrote in message
news:735894799445114.Post@ithinknot,net ...
>
> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>
> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the
> modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the
> gallon.
>
>

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>
> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.

it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
E85 cars to better!

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Jul 7, 10:30 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>
> > http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>
> > 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.
>
> it's a simple math trick!  He converted his car to E85... so he is
> only counting the 15% gas  when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
> articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
> MPG of GAS not E85..  and actually if you do the math that way most
> E85 cars to better!

You are correct, however, the actual mileage for E85 converts to about
77 mpg. The "equivalent" in MPGe refers to the energy produced when a
fuel is burned, not the volumetric ratio of petroleum product to non-
petroleum product. It takes about 1.43 gallons of E85 to get the same
energy from a gallon of gasoline.

Heck, if he got a Ford 5.0L to get 30 mpg in the city and make great
power, that'd be pretty cool to me. Anything more than that is
gravy ;).

Dan
P49Y83+
Dan

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Jul 7, 8:56 pm, Dan <dwta...@nuail,com > wrote:
> On Jul 7, 10:30 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>
> > > http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>
> > > 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.
>
> > it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
> > only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
> > articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
> > MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
> > E85 cars to better!
>
> You are correct, however, the actual mileage for E85 converts to about
> 77 mpg. The "equivalent" in MPGe refers to the energy produced when a
> fuel is burned, not the volumetric ratio of petroleum product to non-
> petroleum product. It takes about 1.43 gallons of E85 to get the same
> energy from a gallon of gasoline.
>
> Heck, if he got a Ford 5.0L to get 30 mpg in the city and make great
> power, that'd be pretty cool to me. Anything more than that is
> gravy ;).
>
> Dan
> P49Y83+
> Dan

Well, considering he won't open the hood... probably stuck a Honda 4
banger in there... slapped some V-TEC stickers on the car for extra
power and called it 400HP...

The guy, IMHO is an attention whore... This guy does a nice job
writing about it http :// www .ecomodder,com /blog/2008/07/06/amazing-110-mpg-mustang-runs-on-hot-air-and-cattle-manure/

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

John S. wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:56 pm, Dan <dwta...@nuail,com > wrote:
>> On Jul 7, 10:30 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>>>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>>> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.
>>> it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
>>> only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
>>> articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
>>> MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
>>> E85 cars to better!
>> You are correct, however, the actual mileage for E85 converts to about
>> 77 mpg. The "equivalent" in MPGe refers to the energy produced when a
>> fuel is burned, not the volumetric ratio of petroleum product to non-
>> petroleum product. It takes about 1.43 gallons of E85 to get the same
>> energy from a gallon of gasoline.
>>
>> Heck, if he got a Ford 5.0L to get 30 mpg in the city and make great
>> power, that'd be pretty cool to me. Anything more than that is
>> gravy ;).
>>
>> Dan
>> P49Y83+
>> Dan
>
> Well, considering he won't open the hood... probably stuck a Honda 4
> banger in there... slapped some V-TEC stickers on the car for extra
> power and called it 400HP...
>
> The guy, IMHO is an attention whore... This guy does a nice job
> writing about it http :// www .ecomodder,com /blog/2008/07/06/amazing-110-mpg-mustang-runs-on-hot-air-and-cattle-manure/


No warning, you bastard! "Amazing 110 mpg Mustang Runs on Hot Air
and Cattle Manure" I just spit egg roll on my monitor!

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Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

WindsorFox-{SS}- wrote:
> John S. wrote:
>> On Jul 7, 8:56 pm, Dan <dwta...@nuail,com > wrote:
>>> On Jul 7, 10:30 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>>>>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>>>> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized
>>>>> the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles
>>>>> to the gallon.
>>>> it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
>>>> only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
>>>> articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
>>>> MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
>>>> E85 cars to better!
>>> You are correct, however, the actual mileage for E85 converts to about
>>> 77 mpg. The "equivalent" in MPGe refers to the energy produced when a
>>> fuel is burned, not the volumetric ratio of petroleum product to non-
>>> petroleum product. It takes about 1.43 gallons of E85 to get the same
>>> energy from a gallon of gasoline.
>>>
>>> Heck, if he got a Ford 5.0L to get 30 mpg in the city and make great
>>> power, that'd be pretty cool to me. Anything more than that is
>>> gravy ;).
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> P49Y83+
>>> Dan
>>
>> Well, considering he won't open the hood... probably stuck a Honda 4
>> banger in there... slapped some V-TEC stickers on the car for extra
>> power and called it 400HP...
>>
>> The guy, IMHO is an attention whore... This guy does a nice job
>> writing about it
>> http :// www .ecomodder,com /blog/2008/07/06/amazing-110-mpg-mustang-runs-on-hot-air-and-cattle-manure/
>>
>
>
> No warning, you bastard! "Amazing 110 mpg Mustang Runs on Hot Air
> and Cattle Manure" I just spit egg roll on my monitor!
>


Man, I can't wait for that 500 HP 500 MPG car.

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Perhaps a metaphor might help:

1. Your emails are like sperm, ready to dash out and do their thing.
2. Your ISP is a prick.
3. APEWS is a condom.
4. We are innocent maidens who do not like surprises.
5. You are asking for one teeny hole in the rubber.

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Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

On Jul 8, 7:56 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:56 pm, Dan <dwta...@nuail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 10:30 am, "John S." <fishin...@netscape,net > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>
> > > > http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>
> > > > 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.
>
> > > it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
> > > only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
> > > articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
> > > MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
> > > E85 cars to better!
>
> > You are correct, however, the actual mileage for E85 converts to about
> > 77 mpg. The "equivalent" in MPGe refers to the energy produced when a
> > fuel is burned, not the volumetric ratio of petroleum product to non-
> > petroleum product. It takes about 1.43 gallons of E85 to get the same
> > energy from a gallon of gasoline.
>
> > Heck, if he got a Ford 5.0L to get 30 mpg in the city and make great
> > power, that'd be pretty cool to me. Anything more than that is
> > gravy ;).
>
> > Dan
> > P49Y83+
> > Dan
>
> Well, considering he won't open the hood... probably stuck a Honda 4
> banger in there... slapped some V-TEC stickers on the car for extra
> power and called it 400HP...
>
> The guy, IMHO is an attention whore... This guy does a nice job
> writing about it http :// www .ecomodder,com /blog/2008/07/06/amazing-110-mpg-mustang-runs...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I read that too. As I mentioned though, I don't hold the fact that the
guy is a mechanic against the claims :). Also, *if*, I say again, *if*
the guy actually has something practical and working, I completely
understand why he's hiding it for now. He's in an open competition and
winning requires keeping secrets.

However, I agree that the guy's working a marketing scheme too. He's
also associated with a venture capital firm (Rocket Ventures) whose
site gives no indication that any of their principals are technical
people.

Dan
P49Y83+

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

John S. wrote:

> On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>
>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>
>>07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles to the gallon.
>
>
> it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
> only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
> articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
> MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
> E85 cars to better!

Or, maybe it's really 6.0 mpg. 110 in binary = 6 decimal. ;-)
--
Cheers, Bob

Re: Getting 110 miles to the gallon (News 8 Austin)

Bob Willard wrote:
> John S. wrote:
>
>> On Jul 2, 10:07 am, ad...@ng2000,com wrote:
>>
>>> http :// www .ng2000,com /fw.php?tp=ford-mustang
>>>
>>> 07/02/2008: An auto mechanic from Ohio claims he has revolutionized
>>> the modern engine and says his 1987 Ford Mustang will get 110 miles
>>> to the gallon.
>>
>>
>> it's a simple math trick! He converted his car to E85... so he is
>> only counting the 15% gas when he calculates his MPG... in one of the
>> articles he even talks about "equivalent" MPG... so he is getting 110
>> MPG of GAS not E85.. and actually if you do the math that way most
>> E85 cars to better!
>
> Or, maybe it's really 6.0 mpg. 110 in binary = 6 decimal. ;-)

I don't think that will win the prize though.

--


Perhaps a metaphor might help:

1. Your emails are like sperm, ready to dash out and do their thing.
2. Your ISP is a prick.
3. APEWS is a condom.
4. We are innocent maidens who do not like surprises.
5. You are asking for one teeny hole in the rubber.

You'll have to get us drunk first. - Hey Bub