97 TJ - shimmy when braking

97 TJ - shimmy when braking

97 TJ 4 cyl

Apply brakes at 50 mph.

Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....

Diagnoses?

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

Warped brake rotors, and replace your steering stabilizer/dampener.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
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> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>
> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>
> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>
> Diagnoses?
>
>
>



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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:38:00 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes,net > wrote:

Message-ID: <46eed9d7$0$4189$88260bb3@free.teranews,com >

> Warped brake rotors, and replace your steering stabilizer/dampener.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol,com http :// www .billhughes,com /

He's right, your rotors are warped, just like his two brain cells!
Get the ISPs right you dunb FUCK!
>
>
>"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>news:GiBHi.4693$7P7.2368@newssvr19.news.prodigy,net ...
>> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>>
>> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>>
>> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>>
>> Diagnoses?
>>
>>
>>
Go pray, Goatman,



The lord that the Psychopath Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III worships:

Abaddon, Accuser of our brethren, Adversary, Angel of Light,
Antichrist, Angel of the bottomless pit, Antichrist, Apollyon,
Beelzebub, Belial, Crooked serpent, Devil, Enemy,Dragon,
Father of lies, God of this World, Leviathan, Liar, Lucifer,
Lying spirit, Murderer, Old serpent, Piercing serpent, Power of
darkness,Prince of the devils, Prince of the power of the air,
Roaring lion, Prince of this world, Ruler of this world, Satan,
Serpent, Swine,Son of the Morning, Spirit who now works in
the sons of disobedience, Tempter, Unclean spirit, Wicked one.

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking


"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:GiBHi.4693$7P7.2368@newssvr19.news.prodigy,net ...
> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>
> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>
> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>
> Diagnoses?
>
>

Probably brake rotors warped a little. Could also be calipers stuck on the
sliders, not moving with rotors, but rotors shouldn't move much side to side
to start with.

Spdloader

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

ambrin wrote:
> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>
> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>
> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>
> Diagnoses?

brakes.
Pop off the front wheels and have a look at the
brake shoes. Those will fairly much tell you
what's going on.

I'd suspect warped rotors.

Don't let any shop talk you into turning them.
(actually, if they do, you should find a new shop.)
The rotors will simply warp again.

A disc brake job is simple and can be done with a minimal amount of tools.

some reading.
http :// autorepair.about,com /od/fixityourself/ss/brakepadreplace.htm
Please note that what they show on compressing the piston is the
LAST thing you should do. Use the old brake pad and a larger C clamp
to press it back in. Never press dirctly on the piston head.
Always support the caliper with something other than the brake hose.

Keep an eye on the brake reservoir so it doesn't overflow. If it's
getting close, use a turkey baster or similar suction pump to draw
off the excess. Needless to say, never use that baster on food again. :)

--
DougW

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

ambrin wrote:
> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>
> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>
> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>
> Diagnoses?
>
>
>

Like others have mentioned, the first place to check is the brake rotor.
Have the tire been rotated recently? If so and they used an air gun
to hammer the lugs on, that is usually the reason. Dirt could get under
the rotor too so an inspection is in order. Sometimes the warp can be
fixed by properly torquing on the lug nuts.

A bad ball joint can also cause a shake when you brake. How does the
steering feel? any looseness or pulls.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

Just to amplify what Mike is referring to: it's not so much how tight the
lug nuts are as it is how evenly they are tightened. Uneven torque will do
in the best of rotors.

I just bought my daughter a cheap Harbor Freight torque wrench for her truck
so that she could check the torque every time the lug nuts were loosened.
Besides, the torque wrench I got her is a long enough that she can actually
break the nuts loose as opposed to the toy wrenches that come stock.

Mike Romain wrote:

> ambrin wrote:
>> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>>
>> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>>
>> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>>
>> Diagnoses?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Like others have mentioned, the first place to check is the brake rotor.
> Have the tire been rotated recently? If so and they used an air gun
> to hammer the lugs on, that is usually the reason. Dirt could get under
> the rotor too so an inspection is in order. Sometimes the warp can be
> fixed by properly torquing on the lug nuts.
>
> A bad ball joint can also cause a shake when you brake. How does the
> steering feel? any looseness or pulls.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

I just let the Stealership do warrantee work and the lugs were left a
full turn or more from the hundred I like. While I have watched Discount
Tires use a torque wrench every time on final.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> Just to amplify what Mike is referring to: it's not so much how tight the
> lug nuts are as it is how evenly they are tightened. Uneven torque will
do
> in the best of rotors.
>
> I just bought my daughter a cheap Harbor Freight torque wrench for her
truck
> so that she could check the torque every time the lug nuts were loosened.
> Besides, the torque wrench I got her is a long enough that she can
actually
> break the nuts loose as opposed to the toy wrenches that come stock.



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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

I would have to say Warped brake rotors.Also if you do not have the
little keepers on the studs that go to the brake rotors it may also do
this. I hope this is of any help Jamie











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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:18:46 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes,net > wrote:

Message-ID: <46eef176$0$8569$88260bb3@free.teranews,com >



> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
> So coward, you're going use the your regular spam address? You didn't
>fool anyone, faggot!
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol,com http :// www .billhughes,com /
>
You are without a doubt a real case,a completely wacked out Psychopath
fuckwad, who doesn't know the difference between his ass or pussy,
why don't you just die and get it over with, no one will miss you, not
even your dog.

Go pray to your god,



The lord that the Psychopath Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III worships:

Abaddon, Accuser of our brethren, Adversary, Angel of Light,
Antichrist, Angel of the bottomless pit, Antichrist, Apollyon,
Beelzebub, Belial, Crooked serpent, Devil, Enemy,Dragon,
Father of lies, God of this World, Leviathan, Liar, Lucifer,
Lying spirit, Murderer, Old serpent, Piercing serpent, Power of
darkness,Prince of the devils, Prince of the power of the air,
Roaring lion, Prince of this world, Ruler of this world, Satan,
Serpent, Swine,Son of the Morning, Spirit who now works in
the sons of disobedience, Tempter, Unclean spirit, Wicked one.

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

That probably was meant to read "dont turn the stock rotors". they are a piece of
$%&#. Get new aftermarket rotors if they are warped.
-jenn



On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:04:19 -0500, d <wtaminut@hotmail,com > wrote:

>>On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:46:10 -0500, "DougW"
>><I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'd suspect warped rotors.
>>>
>>>Don't let any shop talk you into turning them.
>>>(actually, if they do, you should find a new shop.)
>>>The rotors will simply warp again.
>>>
>>>
>>Don't turn the rotors??????
>>How would you suggest to get them straight again?
>>Turning also gets rid of the "hard spots" caused from heat when
>>braking. Just make sure whoever turns them is bright enough to measure
>>rotor thickness.

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

jbjeep wrote:
> That probably was meant to read "dont turn the stock rotors". they
> are a piece of $%&#. Get new aftermarket rotors if they are warped.

With stock, absolutly. With aftermarket it depends on how bad the
warp is. Turning just flattens them out, it does nothing for the root
cause of warping which is a change in one part of the rotors metal.
A badly warped rotor can simply not be turned flat. To restore a
badly warped rotor require heat treating to relive the stress, then turning.

> <wtaminut> wrote:
>
>>> "DougW" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd suspect warped rotors.
>>>>
>>>> Don't let any shop talk you into turning them.
>>>> (actually, if they do, you should find a new shop.)
>>>> The rotors will simply warp again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Don't turn the rotors??????
>>> How would you suggest to get them straight again?
>>> Turning also gets rid of the "hard spots" caused from heat when
>>> braking. Just make sure whoever turns them is bright enough to
>>> measure rotor thickness.


As for getting the rotors straight again I suggest new rotors of
better that the $#$% OEM and a proper brake-in (pun intended) procedure.
There are no "hard spots" from normal braking providing the rotors have
been properly broken in. Riding a new set of brakes hard then sitting
at a stoplight with the brakes applied is the surest way to cause heat
soak and a warped rotor. I have ran my brakes exceptionally hard, cherry
red in some cases, and have had zero warpage.

Turning is mainly done to correct any surface issues or "lip" that forms
on the disc. For the most part, discs should never be turned unless there
is a significant surface defect (rivet or backer pad tracks). The caliper
adjusts for rotors that are still parallel but unevenly worn.

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Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:19:48 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes,net > wrote:

Message-ID: <46ef0dd3$0$16336$88260bb3@free.teranews,com >

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax,com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what porn is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi,com ,
>fraud@mchsi,com , fraud@4AX,com , abuse@aioe.org, admin@cox,net ,
>abuse@teranews,com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a terrorist.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a faggot coward, always a faggot coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable,net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email LWHughes3rd@aol,com or
>LWHughes@hughes,net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III
> You're not fooling anyone, faggot!!!!!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol,com http :// www .billhughes,com /
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:qe0ue3hmhgvt9f1hps5chrun7rantb0q5k@4ax,com
>>
>> You are without a doubt a real case,a completely wacked out Psychopath
>> fuckwad, who doesn't know the difference between his ass or pussy,
>> why don't you just die and get it over with, no one will miss you, not
>> even your dog.
>>
>> Go pray to your god,
>>
>>
>>
>> The lord that the Psychopath Llewellyn W. (Bill) Hughes III worships:
>>
>> Abaddon, Accuser of our brethren, Adversary, Angel of Light,
>> Antichrist, Angel of the bottomless pit, Antichrist, Apollyon,
>> Beelzebub, Belial, Crooked serpent, Devil, Enemy,Dragon,
>> Father of lies, God of this World, Leviathan, Liar, Lucifer,
>> Lying spirit, Murderer, Old serpent, Piercing serpent, Power of
>> darkness,Prince of the devils, Prince of the power of the air,
>> Roaring lion, Prince of this world, Ruler of this world, Satan,
>> Serpent, Swine,Son of the Morning, Spirit who now works in
>> the sons of disobedience, Tempter, Unclean spirit, Wicked one.

How Psychopaths View Their World.


Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a
potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe
they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth
is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about
friendships or ties. Guggenbuhl-Craig states that they are very
talented at appearing much more humble than the average person, but
are hardly so. Some are also able to feign concern about the lower
classes and profess that they are on the side of the underdog, the
poor, and so forth. A psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from
a low socio-economic class), that he dislikes rich people intensely,
but at the same time, he will inwardly yearn and envy what they
have. He is like the narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of
himself through his possessions. Among his possessions are included
human beings: girlfriends, wives, and children. Some psychopaths can
even very fond of animals (contrary to the common viewpoint), but
still view them as objects in relation to themselves.
The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world
through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to
be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one
who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my
brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually
aracist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a
revolutionary. On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a
picture of himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy
type") and some like to see themselves as lonewolves.
The psychopath may even claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside
he is nothing but emptiness and greed. Whether or not the psychopath
is aware of his behaviour is something that is often debated. I do
believe that psychopaths usually know exactly what they are doing,
although others suggest that psychopaths are born, not made.
I believe that psychopathy is primarily genetic. A son with a
psychopathic father often will be psychopathic as well, especially if
the father was abusive and/or abandoned the family as well.
As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being
their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be
manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e.
material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects.
By enacting such behaviours, the psychopath is also trying to "get
back" at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They
will spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or
poor, or whatever their social background may be, although studies
have shown that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio-
economic background and/or social status. (In one of Dr.Donald Black's
studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar,
lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high
school." [Black, 14]). (Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies,
psychopaths can still exist in any social class. Do not be misled). I
also wanted to point out that I will be using "he" and "him" for the
term psychopath throughout this website; let it not be forgotten, yes,
female psychopaths exist as well; however, according to the Sixth
Edition of Abnormal Behavior, printed in 2000 by three male
professors, David, Derald, and Stanley Sue, the rates do differ by
gender. Included in their excellent text is a report by the The
American Psychiatric Association that the general estimate is 3% for
men, and less than 1% in women [Personality Disorders and Impulse
Control Disorders, 238].
What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of
special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal
people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience,
feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives
they touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation,
unable to see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right
versus wrong." [Black, XIII].
Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are
quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to
their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went
on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His
mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was
also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more
dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school
dropouts, there are many who also work in professional occupations;
the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from
impoverished backgrounds than not.
Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them
appear strange or odd, and their behaviour can be eccentric or
unusual. I believe this is what can confuse victims most often.
Psychopaths often appear [see pictures here]: intense
and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone appears harmless,
"foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can also often fool
people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown costume" as he
entertained children as one example.
Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board
came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanour
(so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is).
A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless
cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at
first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not
right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were
charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and
disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension
between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises
for his own hidden purpose.Regardless of race, social class, or
occupation, however, the psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the
nature of ASP (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks
more havoc on society than most other mental illnesses do, since the
disorder primarily involves reactions against the social environment
that drag other people into its destructive web...The despair and
anxiety wrought by antisocials (psychopaths) tragically affects
families and communities, leaving deep physical and
emotional scars...".
There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and
disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as
sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.)
Since the majority or them are men, I wrote this site in part, to warn
women about the dangers, especially women online, which I believe
is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to psychopaths. I have
personal experience with this subject as well. This is because
"antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in our fictional or
true-life entertainments. They are family members, friends,
co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every day."
[Black, 10]. Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are
sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are
psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly.
According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten
men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not
really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however,
there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is
why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that
psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia
and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.

Re: 97 TJ - shimmy when braking

Ok folks,

Thanks for the information.

This TJ is my first Jeep since Laos/Vietnam. It's kinda my "dying days"
toy, but I do use it here and there for hauling feed across muddy pastures,
driving for beer, etc.

You've corroborated my diagnoses as well.

Immerhin, danke sehr...

Matt

"ambrin" <ambrin@sbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:GiBHi.4693$7P7.2368@newssvr19.news.prodigy,net ...
> 97 TJ 4 cyl
>
> Apply brakes at 50 mph.
>
> Front end, i.e. steering wheel, begins to shake & shimmy....
>
> Diagnoses?
>
>
>