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97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
way.
When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
Tracked it down last night finally.
Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
Local Part Monger - $81.00
I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
way.
When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
Tracked it down last night finally.
Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
Local Part Monger - $81.00
I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
Re: Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>jamest wrote:
>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>> way.
>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>
>
>Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>
>Chris
And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
on parts.
-----------------
TheSnoMan,com
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>jamest wrote:
>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>> way.
>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>
>
>Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>
>Chris
And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
on parts.
-----------------
TheSnoMan,com
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
SnoMan wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>> jamest wrote:
>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>> way.
>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>>
>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>>
>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>>
>> Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>>
>> Chris
>
> And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
> it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
> are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
> if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
> on parts.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan,com
The stories I could tell you about that. When I worked for a company
here that makes hydraulic components, we made a few part numbers for
Diamond Star. They were power steering hoses. One of the parts we made
was identical to one found on a co-worker's truck, so we called the
local dealer to get a price on the hose. I don't remember the exact
numbers, but the hose cost from the dealer was about $140. We were
selling that same hose to Diamond Star for about $12.50.
Chris
SnoMan wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>> jamest wrote:
>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>> way.
>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>>
>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>>
>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>>
>> Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>>
>> Chris
>
> And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
> it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
> are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
> if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
> on parts.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan,com
The stories I could tell you about that. When I worked for a company
here that makes hydraulic components, we made a few part numbers for
Diamond Star. They were power steering hoses. One of the parts we made
was identical to one found on a co-worker's truck, so we called the
local dealer to get a price on the hose. I don't remember the exact
numbers, but the hose cost from the dealer was about $140. We were
selling that same hose to Diamond Star for about $12.50.
Chris
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:03:49 -0400, SnoMan <admin@snoman,com > wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>jamest wrote:
>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>> way.
>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>>
>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>>
>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>>
>>
>>Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>>
>>Chris
>
>And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
>it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
>are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
>if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
>on parts.
>-----------------
>TheSnoMan,com
you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and
typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part
at the volume price (probably under $25 for this kind of part) for
service through the end of the model run and three years afterwards.
after that, the suppliers can raise prices as much as they can
negotiate with Mopar. considering how aggressive the Big 3 purchasing
departments have been on suppliers for current production parts, the
suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they
can. service parts are one of these areas.
reboot
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:03:49 -0400, SnoMan <admin@snoman,com > wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:48 -0500, c <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>jamest wrote:
>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>> way.
>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>>
>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>>
>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>>
>>
>>Make sure there's no lead in the paint.
>>
>>Chris
>
>And the funny part is that Chysler does not even make the clutch fan,
>it is out sourced like many parts for many brands and you know they
>are not paying even 80 bucks for it from out source suppiier. I guess
>if they cannnot make money on new cars they are trying to make it up
>on parts.
>-----------------
>TheSnoMan,com
you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and
typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part
at the volume price (probably under $25 for this kind of part) for
service through the end of the model run and three years afterwards.
after that, the suppliers can raise prices as much as they can
negotiate with Mopar. considering how aggressive the Big 3 purchasing
departments have been on suppliers for current production parts, the
suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they
can. service parts are one of these areas.
reboot
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Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
reboot wrote:
> you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and
> typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part
> at the volume price (probably under $25 for this kind of part) for
> service through the end of the model run and three years afterwards.
>
> after that, the suppliers can raise prices as much as they can
> negotiate with Mopar. considering how aggressive the Big 3 purchasing
> departments have been on suppliers for current production parts, the
> suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they
> can. service parts are one of these areas.
I've found that some dealerships will haggle over parts just like
they do cars. Quite often I can get the "jobber" rate or a discount
due to where I work.
--
DougW
reboot wrote:
> you're right, chrysler doesn't produce it, a supplier does. and
> typically the suppliers are obliged under contract to supply the part
> at the volume price (probably under $25 for this kind of part) for
> service through the end of the model run and three years afterwards.
>
> after that, the suppliers can raise prices as much as they can
> negotiate with Mopar. considering how aggressive the Big 3 purchasing
> departments have been on suppliers for current production parts, the
> suppliers are getting aggressive pushing prices up where ever they
> can. service parts are one of these areas.
I've found that some dealerships will haggle over parts just like
they do cars. Quite often I can get the "jobber" rate or a discount
due to where I work.
--
DougW
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> way.
> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
HPs as well.
On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> way.
> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
HPs as well.
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
nrs wrote:
> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>> way.
>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> HPs as well.
Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
--
DougW
nrs wrote:
> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>> way.
>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> HPs as well.
Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
--
DougW
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> >> way.
> >> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> >> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> >> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> >> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> >> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> >> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> > For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> > HPs as well.
>
> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>
> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
>
> --
> DougW
Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> >> way.
> >> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> >> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> >> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> >> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> >> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> >> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> > For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> > HPs as well.
>
> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>
> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
>
> --
> DougW
Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
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>
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Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:56:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes,net > wrote:
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>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol,com
>
PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY
AN ENDEMIC SOCIAL DISEASE, A MASK OF SANITY
This introduction to "alien reaction machines" in human form describes
individuals with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD), Sociopaths,
and Psychopaths.
(In referring to these entities below, I use "that" instead of "who"
to reinforce the distinction between machine-like reactions and normal
human behavior.)
There is considerable overlap of symptoms as medical researchers have
refined the classifications. One of the links below provides detailed
distinctions among these definitions. It also includes an extensive
bibliography. In this essay, next, however, the older, generic term
"psychopath" is used.
A psychopath is a person who appears normal on the surface, until
he/she performs some outrageous criminal act. At that point it has
been customary to label the behavior as temporary "insanity", but that
is a legal term, not a medical one. The prison psychiatric hospital
environment greatly reduces the options for the new patient to make
the kind of independent decisions that caused the original trouble in
open society. In this controlled environment he/she appears normal,
shows no overt signs of psychosis, passes all probing tests with
flying colors, and is discharged as "cured". On the street again, more
crimes are committed, and the cycle repeats. Thus, these individuals
fall through the cracks between law and medicine.
Most people, including judges and juries, are still unable to make the
distinction that not all prison inmates are psychopaths and not all
antisocial individuals are convicted criminals. The links below can be
confusing unless one is aware that the label "psychopathic
personality" was the original descriptive term for today's aggressive
"antisocial personality". The new euphemism is an obfuscation of an
unpleasant truth about people we are forced to deal with on a daily
basis. It is difficult for all of us, especially when associating with
disruptive school children, whose unearned "self esteem" must be
protected at all costs. In the literature one can expect to see both
the new and the old terms, without much distinction between them.
Western industrial civilization has developed a complex set of rules
of behavior for its citizens. These rules have evolved from the need
for cooperative organization in order to produce the goods and
services actually needed by society for minimum survival as a group,
and also to produce the intangible benefits that make that survival
tolerable for the individual. It makes most sense to reserve the
greatest rewards to those individuals who produce the most goods and
services of the highest quality. Most people understand they need
specialized training for any role above some minimum level, and they
must compete for that training, and later compete on the job itself.
They understand that the need for group survival dictates the rules of
the game, and they must not disrupt the group process by
uncooperative, dishonest, unethical, or violent behavior, or flagrant
violation of the rules.
Psychopaths believe they are "entitled" to the lifestyle benefits of
Western Civilization that most people only hope for as a potential
reward for outstanding job performance, organizational loyalty, and
smooth cooperation with other members of a team. Psychopaths can't or
won't work at the high performance level that might logically provide
upscale benefits. At a lower level where they might be more qualified,
they feel that any menial, boring, dirty, or disgusting WORK is
"beneath" them. Thus, whether at a high level or low level, any
meaningful, honest "work" is a dirty word to a psychopath.
With extraordinary assistance from motivated parents, some more
intelligent, but still antisocial people can and do gravitate to
higher-paid management, politics, or the professions, where power and
prestige can be significant ego enhancers. However, they are always
"close to the edge" emotionally, and are likely to abuse sex, drugs,
and alcohol. Also, they may tend to "seek out" excuses to deliberately
over-indulge, in order to remove temporarily the stifling "mask of
sanity" that never quite fits. Then, when "under the influence" they
are more likely to exhibit aggressive, violent, and/or bizarre
behavior in inappropriate public places. This odd behavior is the key
classic sign of acute dysfunction. Some reference books provide
fascinating case histories describing typical incidents.
When one realizes that the antisocial syndrome is pervasive in today's
society, what protection is available to the average adult citizen?
How can one know the alien body snatcher before any actual overt
criminal act? There are two simple test tools available to any
perceptive, educated adult: The tools are contrived casual
conversation and unobtrusive observation. With these tools one can
make a simple first screening test to possibly rule out psychopathic
personality in public officials or others:
The psychopath is a dangerously clever "alien reaction machine" that
has practiced giving all the correct answers. However, much of that
verbal practice will have taken place in institutions or in
dysfunctional families in lower-class neighborhoods. When those same
answers are given in upscale surroundings, they come out as contrived
falsehoods.
Another clue is that the alien machine will not take responsibility,
but will tend to "blame others" for misfortunes with drugs, sexual
partners, bosses, co- workers, authorities, or whatever. Also, the
full-blown psychopath is NEVER altruistic or ethical (except by
accident), but may be shrewd enough to pretend altruism as sham
behavior (to attract votes). By accepting a psychopath's statements at
face value, without cross- checking public records or other sources, a
careless or inattentive interviewer can fail to pick up on the
frequent lies. For example, to trip up corrupt politicians or
self-described "experts", sometimes it is only necessary to compare
two different answers to the same or similar questions repeated on two
or more different occasions, without involving external sources at
all. Any pattern of lies will stand out as outside the norm of ethical
conduct. By itself, this discrepancy is insufficient to classify the
individual as antisocial, but it is an indication that other tests
should be made.
* * * * *
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:56:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III"
<LWBillHughes@hughes,net > wrote:
> http :// www .billhughes,com /temp/CherokeeDrag.htm
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:LWHughes3rd@aol,com
>
PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY
AN ENDEMIC SOCIAL DISEASE, A MASK OF SANITY
This introduction to "alien reaction machines" in human form describes
individuals with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD), Sociopaths,
and Psychopaths.
(In referring to these entities below, I use "that" instead of "who"
to reinforce the distinction between machine-like reactions and normal
human behavior.)
There is considerable overlap of symptoms as medical researchers have
refined the classifications. One of the links below provides detailed
distinctions among these definitions. It also includes an extensive
bibliography. In this essay, next, however, the older, generic term
"psychopath" is used.
A psychopath is a person who appears normal on the surface, until
he/she performs some outrageous criminal act. At that point it has
been customary to label the behavior as temporary "insanity", but that
is a legal term, not a medical one. The prison psychiatric hospital
environment greatly reduces the options for the new patient to make
the kind of independent decisions that caused the original trouble in
open society. In this controlled environment he/she appears normal,
shows no overt signs of psychosis, passes all probing tests with
flying colors, and is discharged as "cured". On the street again, more
crimes are committed, and the cycle repeats. Thus, these individuals
fall through the cracks between law and medicine.
Most people, including judges and juries, are still unable to make the
distinction that not all prison inmates are psychopaths and not all
antisocial individuals are convicted criminals. The links below can be
confusing unless one is aware that the label "psychopathic
personality" was the original descriptive term for today's aggressive
"antisocial personality". The new euphemism is an obfuscation of an
unpleasant truth about people we are forced to deal with on a daily
basis. It is difficult for all of us, especially when associating with
disruptive school children, whose unearned "self esteem" must be
protected at all costs. In the literature one can expect to see both
the new and the old terms, without much distinction between them.
Western industrial civilization has developed a complex set of rules
of behavior for its citizens. These rules have evolved from the need
for cooperative organization in order to produce the goods and
services actually needed by society for minimum survival as a group,
and also to produce the intangible benefits that make that survival
tolerable for the individual. It makes most sense to reserve the
greatest rewards to those individuals who produce the most goods and
services of the highest quality. Most people understand they need
specialized training for any role above some minimum level, and they
must compete for that training, and later compete on the job itself.
They understand that the need for group survival dictates the rules of
the game, and they must not disrupt the group process by
uncooperative, dishonest, unethical, or violent behavior, or flagrant
violation of the rules.
Psychopaths believe they are "entitled" to the lifestyle benefits of
Western Civilization that most people only hope for as a potential
reward for outstanding job performance, organizational loyalty, and
smooth cooperation with other members of a team. Psychopaths can't or
won't work at the high performance level that might logically provide
upscale benefits. At a lower level where they might be more qualified,
they feel that any menial, boring, dirty, or disgusting WORK is
"beneath" them. Thus, whether at a high level or low level, any
meaningful, honest "work" is a dirty word to a psychopath.
With extraordinary assistance from motivated parents, some more
intelligent, but still antisocial people can and do gravitate to
higher-paid management, politics, or the professions, where power and
prestige can be significant ego enhancers. However, they are always
"close to the edge" emotionally, and are likely to abuse sex, drugs,
and alcohol. Also, they may tend to "seek out" excuses to deliberately
over-indulge, in order to remove temporarily the stifling "mask of
sanity" that never quite fits. Then, when "under the influence" they
are more likely to exhibit aggressive, violent, and/or bizarre
behavior in inappropriate public places. This odd behavior is the key
classic sign of acute dysfunction. Some reference books provide
fascinating case histories describing typical incidents.
When one realizes that the antisocial syndrome is pervasive in today's
society, what protection is available to the average adult citizen?
How can one know the alien body snatcher before any actual overt
criminal act? There are two simple test tools available to any
perceptive, educated adult: The tools are contrived casual
conversation and unobtrusive observation. With these tools one can
make a simple first screening test to possibly rule out psychopathic
personality in public officials or others:
The psychopath is a dangerously clever "alien reaction machine" that
has practiced giving all the correct answers. However, much of that
verbal practice will have taken place in institutions or in
dysfunctional families in lower-class neighborhoods. When those same
answers are given in upscale surroundings, they come out as contrived
falsehoods.
Another clue is that the alien machine will not take responsibility,
but will tend to "blame others" for misfortunes with drugs, sexual
partners, bosses, co- workers, authorities, or whatever. Also, the
full-blown psychopath is NEVER altruistic or ethical (except by
accident), but may be shrewd enough to pretend altruism as sham
behavior (to attract votes). By accepting a psychopath's statements at
face value, without cross- checking public records or other sources, a
careless or inattentive interviewer can fail to pick up on the
frequent lies. For example, to trip up corrupt politicians or
self-described "experts", sometimes it is only necessary to compare
two different answers to the same or similar questions repeated on two
or more different occasions, without involving external sources at
all. Any pattern of lies will stand out as outside the norm of ethical
conduct. By itself, this discrepancy is insufficient to classify the
individual as antisocial, but it is an indication that other tests
should be made.
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Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
nrs wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
> wrote:
>> nrs wrote:
>>> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>>> way.
>>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>
>>> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
>>> HPs as well.
>>
>> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>>
>> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
>> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
> Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
You can never have enough HP, just too little traction. :)
--
DougW
nrs wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
> wrote:
>> nrs wrote:
>>> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
>>>> way.
>>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
>>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>>
>>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
>>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
>>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>>
>>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>>
>>> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
>>> HPs as well.
>>
>> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>>
>> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
>> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
> Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
You can never have enough HP, just too little traction. :)
--
DougW
Re: 97 ZJ 5.2L Fan Clutch OEM-- Price is crazy
Turns out the 'cheap' part is made in USA as well. Good News!!
On Sep 19, 8:30 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
> > wrote:
> >> nrs wrote:
> >>> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> >>>> way.
> >>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> >>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> >>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> >>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> >>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> >>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> >>> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> >>> HPs as well.
>
> >> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>
> >> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
> >> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
> > Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
>
> You can never have enough HP, just too little traction. :)
>
> --
> DougW
Turns out the 'cheap' part is made in USA as well. Good News!!
On Sep 19, 8:30 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 6:09 pm, "DougW" <I.only.read.use...@invalid.address>
> > wrote:
> >> nrs wrote:
> >>> On Sep 18, 1:22 pm, jamest <jam...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>> Just got back from Cedar Point after about 10 hours of driving each
> >>>> way.
> >>>> When i left i had a kind of a knock at idle in some pulley.
> >>>> Tracked it down last night finally.
>
> >>>> Dealer Price - $454.00 - I called 2 different dealers - The second
> >>>> dealer even told me to order from Partsource:-)
> >>>> Local Part Monger - $81.00
>
> >>>> I guess we are going Chinese on this part.
>
> >>> For that much you could convert to an electric fan and free up a few
> >>> HPs as well.
>
> >> Not a lot of space in there for a fan even after removing the clutch.
>
> >> chryslerpartsdirect,com has the OEM clutch for US$230.10
> >> On the site it's under Cooling sytem/Cooling fan/Fan clutch
> > Plus with a 5.2 he doesn't need more HP!
>
> You can never have enough HP, just too little traction. :)
>
> --
> DougW
