SON OF A B*^#&!!!

SON OF A B*^#&!!!

The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the pit
of my stomache told me it wasn't.

The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.

So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership, and
send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.

--
Kate
______
/l ,[____],
l-L -OlllllllO-
()_)-()_)--)_)

The shortest distance between two points,
is a lot more fun in a Jeep!

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Clear coat, what is that exactly?

Cheers,

Earle

"Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote in message
news:VtwJi.102013$jH3.58075@bignews6.bellsouth,net ...
> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
pit
> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
and
> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>
> --
> Kate
> ______
> /l ,[____],
> l-L -OlllllllO-
> ()_)-()_)--)_)
>
> The shortest distance between two points,
> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!
>
>

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa,com > wrote:

> Clear coat, what is that exactly?

Clear coat is the clear plastic sort of stuff that gets scraped off
your Jeep the first time you go off road.


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Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

That is the top layer of the paint job. It is a harder layer there to
protect the softer paint. Likely way cheaper to do it this way. They
can put on soft paint and only need a hard outer shell to get the same
life out of it.

Unfortunately when it fails, it is catastrophic. The paint's chemistry
has failed to hold it on or the coat was no good, but either way it is a
'very' expensive fix. I have never heard of a fix that was successful
either....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id!15147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Earle Horton wrote:
> Clear coat, what is that exactly?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote in message
> news:VtwJi.102013$jH3.58075@bignews6.bellsouth,net ...
>> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
>> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
> pit
>> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>>
>> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>>
>> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
> and
>> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>>
>> /l ,[ ],
>> l-L -OlllllllO-
>> () )-() )--) )
>>
>> The shortest distance between two points,
>> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!
>>
>>
>
>

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

It's only on the grille. It appears as though the rim around the headlight
was not properly prepped.
When I took it to the car wash to blow off some mud and bugs, it must have
brken it loose.

It's not hard to fix at all really. It needs to be sanded down below the
clear coat, reprimed and then painted and clear coated again.

All of today's paints (as far as I know it's been this way at least ten
years) have the clear coat on them. That's why the reds and silvers don't
fade as quickly as they used to.

As I said, thank goodness for the 3/36 bumper to bumper. It should be
covered. I'll get ahold of them today.

Kate


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:46f7d8a9$0$28763$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting,com ...
That is the top layer of the paint job. It is a harder layer there to
protect the softer paint. Likely way cheaper to do it this way. They
can put on soft paint and only need a hard outer shell to get the same
life out of it.

Unfortunately when it fails, it is catastrophic. The paint's chemistry
has failed to hold it on or the coat was no good, but either way it is a
'very' expensive fix. I have never heard of a fix that was successful
either....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Earle Horton wrote:
> Clear coat, what is that exactly?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote in message
> news:VtwJi.102013$jH3.58075@bignews6.bellsouth,net ...
>> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a
>> strange
>> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
> pit
>> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>>
>> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>>
>> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
> and
>> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>>
>> --
>> Kate
>> ______
>> /l ,[____],
>> l-L -OlllllllO-
>> ()_)-()_)--)_)
>>
>> The shortest distance between two points,
>> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!
>>
>>
>
>

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Good luck.

I really hope it is only the one spot and not the whole job.

Mike

Kate wrote:
> It's only on the grille. It appears as though the rim around the headlight
> was not properly prepped.
> When I took it to the car wash to blow off some mud and bugs, it must have
> brken it loose.
>
> It's not hard to fix at all really. It needs to be sanded down below the
> clear coat, reprimed and then painted and clear coated again.
>
> All of today's paints (as far as I know it's been this way at least ten
> years) have the clear coat on them. That's why the reds and silvers don't
> fade as quickly as they used to.
>
> As I said, thank goodness for the 3/36 bumper to bumper. It should be
> covered. I'll get ahold of them today.
>
> Kate
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:46f7d8a9$0$28763$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting,com ...
> That is the top layer of the paint job. It is a harder layer there to
> protect the softer paint. Likely way cheaper to do it this way. They
> can put on soft paint and only need a hard outer shell to get the same
> life out of it.
>
> Unfortunately when it fails, it is catastrophic. The paint's chemistry
> has failed to hold it on or the coat was no good, but either way it is a
> 'very' expensive fix. I have never heard of a fix that was successful
> either....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id!15147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> Clear coat, what is that exactly?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote in message
>> news:VtwJi.102013$jH3.58075@bignews6.bellsouth,net ...
>>> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a
>>> strange
>>> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
>> pit
>>> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>>>
>>> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>>>
>>> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
>> and
>>> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kate
>>>
>>> /l ,[ ],
>>> l-L -OlllllllO-
>>> () )-() )--) )
>>>
>>> The shortest distance between two points,
>>> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:46f7f00f$0$5218$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting,com ...
Good luck.

I really hope it is only the one spot and not the whole job.

Mike


Yea... me too! That would suck on a gigantic scale. specially if it decided
to wait until the warranty ran out to go to pot.

Kate

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Kate wrote:
> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the pit
> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership, and
> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>

That is pretty serious!

Either the clear coat failed, or the paint under it failed and there is
no real way to tell which unless they admit a bad paint run like they
'seldom' have to when all the paint peels off piles of them like the
older blue or silver Cherokees.

The whole paint job has been compromised somehow and nothing short of
sandblasting or somehow stripping it back to bare metal or primer and
starting all over again on the whole vehicle will put it right.

I feel for you.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id!15147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:46f7ce9c$0$28801$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting,com ...
...
>
> The whole paint job has been compromised somehow and nothing
> short of sandblasting or somehow stripping it back to bare metal or
> primer and starting all over again on the whole vehicle will put it right.
>
> I feel for you.
>
;o)

Saludos,

Earle

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Mike Romain wrote:
> Kate wrote:
>> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a
>> strange shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking
>> feeling in the pit of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>>
>> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>>
>> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the
>> dealership, and send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>>
>
> That is pretty serious!
>
> Either the clear coat failed, or the paint under it failed and there is
> no real way to tell which unless they admit a bad paint run like they
> 'seldom' have to when all the paint peels off piles of them like the
> older blue or silver Cherokees.
>
> The whole paint job has been compromised somehow and nothing short of
> sandblasting or somehow stripping it back to bare metal or primer and
> starting all over again on the whole vehicle will put it right.
>
> I feel for you.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http :// www .imagestation,com /album/pictures.html?id!15147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

That's what happened to Sandman's Wrangler IIRC.

Dave Milne, Scotland

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

The Clear Coat is the same as the paint underneath. I is just clear instead
of colored, and is there to protect the paint from fading, as stated
previously. IT IS SIMPLY CLEAR PAINT. Usually acrallyc enamel., or what
ever the paint is made of. IF it is pealing, its usually bad prep and or a
paint chemical quality issue. Unless there is a huge run of failed paint
jobs by the manufacturer, I'd bet on failed prep. Both ford and chevy had a
bad primer issue in the 80's and their paint peeled to the primer factory
wide. IF its just the clear coat, you don't have to take it to the metal or
primer to fix it. Just a sand and spray will do the job. I'm surprised Mike
didn't tell you that you had a faulty engine ground wire. He prolly figures
this would cause electrollysis which causes the paint to fall off.

Kate wrote:
>The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
>shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the pit
>of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
>The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
>So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership, and
>send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>

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Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Ok, let me tell you THIS

I worked in the body shop industry for more than ten years. I OWNED a
successful body shop for five years.

It's spelled ACRYLIC and if you had read my reply in one of the posts above
you would have seen where I addressed this issue. It was probably improperly
prepped.
However, there could have been an issue of contamination between the base
coat and clear coat inhibiting adhesion OR any number of reasons why it
could have failed.

If your little jab at Mike was intended as a poke in the ribs or some kind
of teasing, it didn't read like that on this end.
Your smart ass remark pissed me off. It was completely unwarranted and
unnecessary.

If you're trying to be helpful, say something constructive you can skip the
jabs at other posters.

Mike has ALWAYS been helpful when I ask questions (even when I had my
*shudder* Liberty) and has done a great deal to help educate many people in
this group.

The information you gave is pretty much on target and those that may not
know about paint will hopefully benefit from it.

The reason I posted this was:
1st: To gripe about it. It's my rig. It's my right, I'll gripe if I want to.
2nd: to follow up with what the results were as far as the warranty repair
and quality of service.

Ok, so let's just play nice now.

Kate
.
"RiverRunner66 via CarKB,com " <u36930@uwe> wrote in message
news:78ba189524d84@uwe...
The Clear Coat is the same as the paint underneath. I is just clear instead
of colored, and is there to protect the paint from fading, as stated
previously. IT IS SIMPLY CLEAR PAINT. Usually acrallyc enamel., or what
ever the paint is made of. IF it is pealing, its usually bad prep and or a
paint chemical quality issue. Unless there is a huge run of failed paint
jobs by the manufacturer, I'd bet on failed prep. Both ford and chevy had a
bad primer issue in the 80's and their paint peeled to the primer factory
wide. IF its just the clear coat, you don't have to take it to the metal or
primer to fix it. Just a sand and spray will do the job. I'm surprised
Mike
didn't tell you that you had a faulty engine ground wire. He prolly figures
this would cause electrollysis which causes the paint to fall off.

Kate wrote:
>The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
>shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
>pit
>of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
>The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
>So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
>and
>send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>

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Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Kate, say hi to Snoman....

"Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter> wrote in message
news:ZoaKi.120282$pu2.91735@bignews1.bellsouth,net ...
> Ok, let me tell you THIS
>
> I worked in the body shop industry for more than ten years. I OWNED a
> successful body shop for five years.
>
> It's spelled ACRYLIC and if you had read my reply in one of the posts
> above
> you would have seen where I addressed this issue. It was probably
> improperly
> prepped.
> However, there could have been an issue of contamination between the base
> coat and clear coat inhibiting adhesion OR any number of reasons why it
> could have failed.
>
> If your little jab at Mike was intended as a poke in the ribs or some kind
> of teasing, it didn't read like that on this end.
> Your smart ass remark pissed me off. It was completely unwarranted and
> unnecessary.
>
> If you're trying to be helpful, say something constructive you can skip
> the
> jabs at other posters.
>
> Mike has ALWAYS been helpful when I ask questions (even when I had my
> *shudder* Liberty) and has done a great deal to help educate many people
> in
> this group.
>
> The information you gave is pretty much on target and those that may not
> know about paint will hopefully benefit from it.
>
> The reason I posted this was:
> 1st: To gripe about it. It's my rig. It's my right, I'll gripe if I want
> to.
> 2nd: to follow up with what the results were as far as the warranty repair
> and quality of service.
>
> Ok, so let's just play nice now.
>
> Kate
> .
> "RiverRunner66 via CarKB,com " <u36930@uwe> wrote in message
> news:78ba189524d84@uwe...
> The Clear Coat is the same as the paint underneath. I is just clear
> instead
> of colored, and is there to protect the paint from fading, as stated
> previously. IT IS SIMPLY CLEAR PAINT. Usually acrallyc enamel., or what
> ever the paint is made of. IF it is pealing, its usually bad prep and or
> a
> paint chemical quality issue. Unless there is a huge run of failed paint
> jobs by the manufacturer, I'd bet on failed prep. Both ford and chevy had
> a
> bad primer issue in the 80's and their paint peeled to the primer factory
> wide. IF its just the clear coat, you don't have to take it to the metal
> or
> primer to fix it. Just a sand and spray will do the job. I'm surprised
> Mike
> didn't tell you that you had a faulty engine ground wire. He prolly
> figures
> this would cause electrollysis which causes the paint to fall off.
>
> Kate wrote:
>>The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
>>shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
>>pit
>>of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>>
>>The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>>
>>So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
>>and
>>send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>>
>
> --
> Message posted via http :// www .carkb,com
>
>

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

On Sep 23, 9:27 am, "Kate" <svtk...@spam.filter> wrote:
> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the pit
> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership, and
> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>
> --
> Kate
> ______
> /l ,[____],
> l-L -OlllllllO-
> ()_)-()_)--)_)
>
> The shortest distance between two points,
> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!

Hey Kate,

Sorry for the pain you are going through. I can remember when my Dad
was rebuiilding his hot rod, a car I drove when I was a young buck,
(73 nova), he had it painted and the damn car never cured even after
30 days. He had to take it back and the little bugger had to be
sanded to bare metal. I can remember what my Dad's face looked like
after he had invested thousands upon thousands, thinking his bay was
f'ed.. Luckily the shop made it right. It still looks phenomenal to
this day. You'll be OK, no worries.

BTW, do you still want to the measurements on the warn mount? I had
never heard back and was wondering if you were buying from a vendor or
were doing the whole bumper from scratch. Take care,

ulb

Re: SON OF A B*^#&!!!

Oh - did I not get back to you? I'm so sorry.. I wasn't trying to be rude or
ungrateful I thought I did.

I've been up to my a$$ in alligators lately.

Hubs says he is going to build me an ARB style bumper with an integrated
mount - AND - recessed lights. Whooo hoo!
I know just what I want and he's going to make it happen for me.

So now, I'm stuck tapping my toe on the floor waiting impatiently LOL.

I know it will be fine - the paint that is.
When I brought my Jeep home I found that it had an issue with the paint on
doors. Where the window frame is welded to the door on both sides the paint
had cracked and there was a wee little bit of rust. I had them take care of
it and they did a great job. I'm scheduled to take it in on Thursday for
inspection and setting an appointment to have it fixed.
I am SO lucky to have a great dealership to work with. Serra in Jackson TN

I'll bet that your dad was sick, I would have been.
I know the guys in the shop must have been too. What a mess to have to clean
up. HAH... "Give 'er a lacquer thinner bath boys!"

Kate

"ULB" <ultralightbackpacker@yahoo,com > wrote in message
news:1190705626.212341.231470@22g2000hsm.googlegroups,com ...
On Sep 23, 9:27 am, "Kate" <svtk...@spam.filter> wrote:
> The sun caught my grille this morning, by the PS headlight I saw a strange
> shadow. Kind of looked like a spider web, but the sinking feeling in the
> pit
> of my stomache told me it wasn't.
>
> The G**D**N clear is peeling off of the grille.
>
> So, Looks like tomorrow morning, I call the boys down at the dealership,
> and
> send it in. Thank goodness for bumper to bumper.
>
> --
> Kate
> ______
> /l ,[____],
> l-L -OlllllllO-
> ()_)-()_)--)_)
>
> The shortest distance between two points,
> is a lot more fun in a Jeep!

Hey Kate,

Sorry for the pain you are going through. I can remember when my Dad
was rebuiilding his hot rod, a car I drove when I was a young buck,
(73 nova), he had it painted and the damn car never cured even after
30 days. He had to take it back and the little bugger had to be
sanded to bare metal. I can remember what my Dad's face looked like
after he had invested thousands upon thousands, thinking his bay was
f'ed.. Luckily the shop made it right. It still looks phenomenal to
this day. You'll be OK, no worries.

BTW, do you still want to the measurements on the warn mount? I had
never heard back and was wondering if you were buying from a vendor or
were doing the whole bumper from scratch. Take care,

ulb