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The dreaded oil/tire thread!

Reply from: XS11E
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 02:34
The dreaded oil/tire thread!

Which oil is best? Should I use Super Sewer Sludge 90w-250 Synthetic?

Never mind, I don't have the heart to start an oil thread....

So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?

I'm still debating new tires because it upsets my natural cheapness.
My existing tires have almost 60% tread remaining but they have the
traction of greased ice due to drying out and becoming hard so....

Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under $600
mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are 15x6.5,
tires are 195/50z/R15.

Opinions? I've read reviews on Miata Net, Discount Tire, Tire Rack,
etc. and learned that the tires are the absolute WORST/BEST tire ever,
will last 5/900,000 miles, have FANTASTIC/NONEXISTENT wet traction,
etc.

Summary, I find the reviews aren't much help but what do you guys say?



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Reply from: Chuck
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 04:04
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

I've had good luck with Toyo tires and prices.
My 99 came with Michelin Pilots--Thinnest tire I've ever had, and poor wet
traction.
Bridgestone Good tires for wear, and handling when new, but get hard after a
couple of years.
Toyo T1-S (2 sets) good tires, but they quit making them. Bought first set
mounted on Rota Rims at an RSpeed open house.
Not as stiff a sidewall as the Bridgestones.
Too soon to tell on the new tires I just put on. (From TireRack)

"XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote in message
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> Which oil is best? Should I use Super Sewer Sludge 90w-250 Synthetic?
>
> Never mind, I don't have the heart to start an oil thread....
>
> So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?
>
> I'm still debating new tires because it upsets my natural cheapness.
> My existing tires have almost 60% tread remaining but they have the
> traction of greased ice due to drying out and becoming hard so....
>
> Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under $600
> mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are 15x6.5,
> tires are 195/50z/R15.
>
> Opinions? I've read reviews on Miata Net, Discount Tire, Tire Rack,
> etc. and learned that the tires are the absolute WORST/BEST tire ever,
> will last 5/900,000 miles, have FANTASTIC/NONEXISTENT wet traction,
> etc.
>
> Summary, I find the reviews aren't much help but what do you guys say?
>
>
>
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Reply from: Chris D'Agnolo
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 05:31
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

Are you saying the entire wheel / tire package is just $600? Or were you
just mentioning your wheels 'FYI'?

Chris
99bbb


"Chuck" <Chnospam@cox,net > wrote in message
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> I've had good luck with Toyo tires and prices.
> My 99 came with Michelin Pilots--Thinnest tire I've ever had, and poor wet
> traction.
> Bridgestone Good tires for wear, and handling when new, but get hard after
> a couple of years.
> Toyo T1-S (2 sets) good tires, but they quit making them. Bought first set
> mounted on Rota Rims at an RSpeed open house.
> Not as stiff a sidewall as the Bridgestones.
> Too soon to tell on the new tires I just put on. (From TireRack)
>
> "XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote in message
> news:Xns9AE4B2BB2FDFCxs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236...
>> Which oil is best? Should I use Super Sewer Sludge 90w-250 Synthetic?
>>
>> Never mind, I don't have the heart to start an oil thread....
>>
>> So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?
>>
>> I'm still debating new tires because it upsets my natural cheapness.
>> My existing tires have almost 60% tread remaining but they have the
>> traction of greased ice due to drying out and becoming hard so....
>>
>> Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under $600
>> mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are 15x6.5,
>> tires are 195/50z/R15.
>>
>> Opinions? I've read reviews on Miata Net, Discount Tire, Tire Rack,
>> etc. and learned that the tires are the absolute WORST/BEST tire ever,
>> will last 5/900,000 miles, have FANTASTIC/NONEXISTENT wet traction,
>> etc.
>>
>> Summary, I find the reviews aren't much help but what do you guys say?
>>
>>
>>
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>


Reply from: XS11E
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 07:28
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

"Chris D'Agnolo" <cdagnolo@alltel,net > wrote:

> Are you saying the entire wheel / tire package is just $600?

Yes.



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Reply from: XS11E
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 07:35
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

"Chuck" <Chnospam@cox,net > wrote:

> I've had good luck with Toyo tires and prices.

Thanks but I can get Toyo, etc. any time, the offer on the rims and
Kumhos is for a few days only so I was asking specifically about them
and hoping to get some thoughts.


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Reply from: rdrnws
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 07:07
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

XS11E wrote:

>
> Opinions? I've read reviews on Miata Net, Discount Tire, Tire Rack,
> etc. and learned that the tires are the absolute WORST/BEST tire ever,
> will last 5/900,000 miles, have FANTASTIC/NONEXISTENT wet traction,
> etc.
>
> Summary, I find the reviews aren't much help but what do you guys say?
>

I find the tests of ADAC very good; they are in German, but their
ranking tables are quite compact, one only needs to translate the main
testing categories to make some use of them (ie "trocken" is dry, "nass"
wet etc).

http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/




Reply from: XS11E
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 07:32
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

rdrnws <rdr.nws@emailme,com > wrote:


> I find the tests of ADAC very good; they are in German, but their
> ranking tables are quite compact, one only needs to translate the
> main testing categories to make some use of them (ie "trocken" is
> dry, "nass" wet etc).
>
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/

I can't make heads or tails of it, can't find any ranking tables?




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Reply from: rdrnws
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 08:40
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

XS11E wrote:

>
> I can't make heads or tails of it, can't find any ranking tables?
>
>

Some detailed links:

http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/175 65 R14/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/195 65 R15/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/185 60 R14H 2006/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/205 55 R16V/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/225 45 R17WY 2006/

http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Winterreifen/205 55 R16H/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Winterreifen/175 65 R14 T 10 2005/
http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Winterreifen/195 65 R15 T 10 2005/

In each one of the above, follow the "Alle Testergebnisse im Uberblick"
link, a couple of lines down the main/center page column.

Reply from: XS11E
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 16:31
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

rdrnws <rdr.nws@emailme,com > wrote:

> XS11E wrote:
>>
>> I can't make heads or tails of it, can't find any ranking tables?
>
> Some detailed links:
>
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/175_65_R14/
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/195_65_R15/
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/185_60_R14H_2006/
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/205_55_R16V/
> http :// www .adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/225_45_R17WY_2006
> /

Thanks, that makes it easy! Unfortunately they didn't test the tire
I'm considering.




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Reply from: Iva
Date: 24 Jul 2008, 23:29
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

XS11E wrote:
> Which oil is best? Should I use Super Sewer Sludge 90w-250
> Synthetic?
>
> Never mind, I don't have the heart to start an oil thread....

No, no, not the oil thread!!!

> So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?
>
> I'm still debating new tires because it upsets my natural cheapness.
> My existing tires have almost 60% tread remaining but they have the
> traction of greased ice due to drying out and becoming hard so....
>
> Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under
> $600
> mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are
> 15x6.5,
> tires are 195/50z/R15.
>
> Opinions? I've read reviews on Miata Net, Discount Tire, Tire Rack,
> etc. and learned that the tires are the absolute WORST/BEST tire
> ever,
> will last 5/900,000 miles, have FANTASTIC/NONEXISTENT wet traction,
> etc.
>
> Summary, I find the reviews aren't much help but what do you guys
> say?

Reviews on Tire Rack are definitely Not Much Help. As you noted
above, you get completely different results from different reviewers
on the same tires.

Some of our local club folks have used the Kumho and liked them.

I'm looking for new summer shoes for Vixen right now too but I'm
leaning more towards either the Falken ZE-912 or the Yokohama S.drive.
The tires on her now are the OEMs and they're definitely at the end of
their useful life - not to mention that they're starting to get cracks
in them. I've got some extra MSUs coming in the middle of August so
I've got some time to do more research.

Iva & Vixen
2004 Classic Red
No more winkin' Miata



Reply from: XS11E
Date: 25 Jul 2008, 00:23
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

"Iva" <ivaf@ptd,net > wrote:

> Reviews on Tire Rack are definitely Not Much Help. As you noted
> above, you get completely different results from different
> reviewers on the same tires.

Ditto on Discount Tire's site.

> Some of our local club folks have used the Kumho and liked them.

Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.

> I'm looking for new summer shoes for Vixen right now too but I'm
> leaning more towards either the Falken ZE-912 or the Yokohama
> S.drive. The tires on her now are the OEMs and they're definitely
> at the end of their useful life - not to mention that they're
> starting to get cracks in them. I've got some extra MSUs coming
> in the middle of August so I've got some time to do more research.

I'd be waiting awhile myself if this deal hadn't come along but I may
pass on it. The price is good, changing from the original 14" wheels
to 15" wheels will make more tire choices available but I can spend a
total of $0.00 including tax, mounting and balancing to keep what I
have with a LOT of tread remaining and OK traction if it doesn't rain.
If it rains, I just drive carefully or don't drive the Miata.

There's other things I could do with the money but who knows. Right
now, my decision is a very firm, definite maybe.....



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Reply from: Chris D'Agnolo
Date: 25 Jul 2008, 02:01
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

I've heard good things about the price / quality ratio for Kuhmos, from
performance related folks. If you're as cheap as me, you'll try to get as
close to the full wear out of what's on there while you can and start
watching for a similar great deal a month or two before they give up the
ghost. Another alternative would be to grab the deal while you can and throw
them in the garage while you use up the existing rubber.

Chris
99BBB

"XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote in message
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> "Iva" <ivaf@ptd,net > wrote:
>
>> Reviews on Tire Rack are definitely Not Much Help. As you noted
>> above, you get completely different results from different
>> reviewers on the same tires.
>
> Ditto on Discount Tire's site.
>
>> Some of our local club folks have used the Kumho and liked them.
>
> Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.
>
>> I'm looking for new summer shoes for Vixen right now too but I'm
>> leaning more towards either the Falken ZE-912 or the Yokohama
>> S.drive. The tires on her now are the OEMs and they're definitely
>> at the end of their useful life - not to mention that they're
>> starting to get cracks in them. I've got some extra MSUs coming
>> in the middle of August so I've got some time to do more research.
>
> I'd be waiting awhile myself if this deal hadn't come along but I may
> pass on it. The price is good, changing from the original 14" wheels
> to 15" wheels will make more tire choices available but I can spend a
> total of $0.00 including tax, mounting and balancing to keep what I
> have with a LOT of tread remaining and OK traction if it doesn't rain.
> If it rains, I just drive carefully or don't drive the Miata.
>
> There's other things I could do with the money but who knows. Right
> now, my decision is a very firm, definite maybe.....
>
>
>
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Reply from: XS11E
Date: 25 Jul 2008, 23:14
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

XS11E <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote:

> So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?
> Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under
> $600 mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are
> 15x6.5, tires are 195/50z/R15.

I done did it. I asked about the price which is about $150 or so less
than the regular price and got this:

"This is the last set we have in stock, Just want to sell it fast,
nothing wrong with it."

If it turns out OK I'll be VERY happy....

Oh, lug nuts are included...



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Reply from: Chris D'Agnolo
Date: 26 Jul 2008, 01:51
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

I don't think you'll be disappointed but would love to hear a follow up!

Chris
99BBB

"XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote in message
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> XS11E <xs11e@mailinator,com > wrote:
>
>> So what do people think of Kumho tires, specifically the AST?
>> Kumho's are available to me for a not too awful price, just under
>> $600 mounted and balanced on white Rota Speed 5 Wheels, wheels are
>> 15x6.5, tires are 195/50z/R15.
>
> I done did it. I asked about the price which is about $150 or so less
> than the regular price and got this:
>
> "This is the last set we have in stock, Just want to sell it fast,
> nothing wrong with it."
>
> If it turns out OK I'll be VERY happy....
>
> Oh, lug nuts are included...
>
>
>
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Reply from: XS11E
Date: 26 Jul 2008, 02:06
Re: The dreaded oil/tire thread!

"Chris D'Agnolo" <cdagnolo@alltel,net > wrote:

> I don't think you'll be disappointed but would love to hear a
> follow up!

I can follow up a little bit already, I clicked on the PayPal button to
pay now and got shipping information in less than half an hour.

That's pretty fast in my opinion..... UPS confirms the tracking numbers
as having received the shipping info but they haven't picked them up
yet so I figure Monday will be the soonest they'll get picked up, they
I might have them by the end of the week, maybe?

Pulling the rear wheels will FINALLY allow me to see what's wrong with
the emergency brake. It's been adjusted but won't hold the car from
rolling.



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