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Drum Pulls Off Easily
Drum Pulls Off Easily
My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
where to start.
1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
how to adjust them otherwise.
2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
where to start.
1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
how to adjust them otherwise.
2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going
out the tailpipe, which is not good news. Item #1 sounds like you need
a brake job done on the rears.
IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going
out the tailpipe, which is not good news. Item #1 sounds like you need
a brake job done on the rears.
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
"Keith" <keithvt@nospam.verizon,net > wrote in message news:Nfx3j.18004$Jy1.284@trndny02...
> IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
>> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
>> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
>> where to start.
>>
<snip>
>>
>> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
>> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
>> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
>> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
>> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
>
> Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going out the tailpipe, which is not good news.
<snip>
Not necessarily. It could be going into the coolant.
"Keith" <keithvt@nospam.verizon,net > wrote in message news:Nfx3j.18004$Jy1.284@trndny02...
> IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
>> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
>> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
>> where to start.
>>
<snip>
>>
>> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
>> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
>> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
>> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
>> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
>
> Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going out the tailpipe, which is not good news.
<snip>
Not necessarily. It could be going into the coolant.
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
Steve wrote:
> "Keith" <keithvt@nospam.verizon,net > wrote in message news:Nfx3j.18004$Jy1.284@trndny02...
>> IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
>>> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
>>> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
>>> where to start.
>>>
> <snip>
>>> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
>>> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
>>> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
>>> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
>>> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
>> Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going out the tailpipe, which is not good news.
> <snip>
>
> Not necessarily. It could be going into the coolant.
>
>
Quite true, but if you'd read the original post he stated that he
checked the coolant...
Steve wrote:
> "Keith" <keithvt@nospam.verizon,net > wrote in message news:Nfx3j.18004$Jy1.284@trndny02...
>> IrwinDesign@gmail,com wrote:
>>> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
>>> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
>>> where to start.
>>>
> <snip>
>>> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
>>> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
>>> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
>>> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
>>> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
>> Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going out the tailpipe, which is not good news.
> <snip>
>
> Not necessarily. It could be going into the coolant.
>
>
Quite true, but if you'd read the original post he stated that he
checked the coolant...
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
Buy the shop manual either from www .helminc,com or get a Haynes manual.
Chiltons manuals are, these days, the manual of last preference.
If you have any mechanical ability and the interest in doing so, a brake job
is fairly easy with a decent set of tools. Bummer about the oil consumption.
Check the PCV valve. A clogged valve will cause the oil to get dirty fast.
What type of oil did you use? Perhaps it is time to use one of the oils made
specially for high mileage engines. Try at least a 10W30 if not 20W40(?).
How hot does the engine get when running? Oil gets dark from blow-by gasses,
from heat and high loads.
Saturn advertizes a de-gunking proceedure that is supposed to remove
build-up on the piston rings -especially the oil control ring. I have no
experience with this - perhaps others will comment.
<IrwinDesign@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:2e48b43c-1832-46d8-8c80-df1d42702def@s8g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Buy the shop manual either from www .helminc,com or get a Haynes manual.
Chiltons manuals are, these days, the manual of last preference.
If you have any mechanical ability and the interest in doing so, a brake job
is fairly easy with a decent set of tools. Bummer about the oil consumption.
Check the PCV valve. A clogged valve will cause the oil to get dirty fast.
What type of oil did you use? Perhaps it is time to use one of the oils made
specially for high mileage engines. Try at least a 10W30 if not 20W40(?).
How hot does the engine get when running? Oil gets dark from blow-by gasses,
from heat and high loads.
Saturn advertizes a de-gunking proceedure that is supposed to remove
build-up on the piston rings -especially the oil control ring. I have no
experience with this - perhaps others will comment.
<IrwinDesign@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:2e48b43c-1832-46d8-8c80-df1d42702def@s8g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
"Private" <please@dont.bother> wrote in message
news:A0X3j.7455$UQ1.5254@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Oppie" <boppie@nospam,com > wrote in message
> news:GRE3j.19109$Mg1.6326@trndny03...
>> Buy the shop manual either from www .helminc,com or get a Haynes manual.
>> Chiltons manuals are, these days, the manual of last preference.
>>
>
> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old (1970's)
chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't seem
to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in today's
cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the time
I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
graceful transition to print.
"Private" <please@dont.bother> wrote in message
news:A0X3j.7455$UQ1.5254@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Oppie" <boppie@nospam,com > wrote in message
> news:GRE3j.19109$Mg1.6326@trndny03...
>> Buy the shop manual either from www .helminc,com or get a Haynes manual.
>> Chiltons manuals are, these days, the manual of last preference.
>>
>
> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old (1970's)
chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't seem
to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in today's
cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the time
I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
graceful transition to print.
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
>>
>> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
>> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
>
>To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old (1970's)
>chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't seem
>to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in today's
>cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the time
>I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
>other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
>graceful transition to print.
>
Does Saturn sell the "factory manual" ... or do you have
connections in the trade ?
I asked about buying the shop manual for my 2002 SL1
.. the Saturn dealer said " NOPE we don't sell them. "
JT
>>
>> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
>> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
>
>To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old (1970's)
>chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't seem
>to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in today's
>cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the time
>I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
>other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
>graceful transition to print.
>
Does Saturn sell the "factory manual" ... or do you have
connections in the trade ?
I asked about buying the shop manual for my 2002 SL1
.. the Saturn dealer said " NOPE we don't sell them. "
JT
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
"hubops" <tabbertj@perth,net > wrote in message
news:n1c1l3pgc3pre67mf499i5254upv5k6m9j@4ax,com ...
>
>>>
>>> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
>>> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
>>
>>To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old
>>(1970's)
>>chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't
>>seem
>>to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in
>>today's
>>cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the
>>time
>>I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
>>other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
>>graceful transition to print.
>>
>
>
> Does Saturn sell the "factory manual" ... or do you have
> connections in the trade ?
> I asked about buying the shop manual for my 2002 SL1
> .. the Saturn dealer said " NOPE we don't sell them. "
> JT
I got mine through the saturn parts counter. Found out later that could have
gotten it also through www .helminc,com Same price - give or take shipping.
"hubops" <tabbertj@perth,net > wrote in message
news:n1c1l3pgc3pre67mf499i5254upv5k6m9j@4ax,com ...
>
>>>
>>> IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
>>> thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
>>
>>To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old
>>(1970's)
>>chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't
>>seem
>>to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in
>>today's
>>cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the
>>time
>>I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
>>other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
>>graceful transition to print.
>>
>
>
> Does Saturn sell the "factory manual" ... or do you have
> connections in the trade ?
> I asked about buying the shop manual for my 2002 SL1
> .. the Saturn dealer said " NOPE we don't sell them. "
> JT
I got mine through the saturn parts counter. Found out later that could have
gotten it also through www .helminc,com Same price - give or take shipping.
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
Even though you don't see any smoke, it is most likely burning the oil.
Easiest thing you can do first is change your PCV valve.
Search saturnfans,com forums for 'oil consumption' and you'll come across a
thread where others have reported some measure of success in reducing the
consumption. I believe it has something to do with a treatment with Marvel
Mystery Oil.
Many people draw the conclusion that oil consumption leads to premature
death of the motor, but with these cars, that is not the case. Keep the
level where it should be on the dipstick by checking it often, and listen
for telltale signs of timing chain wear, and it should still live a long
life.
Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic,com ]
---
Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http :// www .evilplastic,com
<IrwinDesign@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:2e48b43c-1832-46d8-8c80-df1d42702def@s8g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Even though you don't see any smoke, it is most likely burning the oil.
Easiest thing you can do first is change your PCV valve.
Search saturnfans,com forums for 'oil consumption' and you'll come across a
thread where others have reported some measure of success in reducing the
consumption. I believe it has something to do with a treatment with Marvel
Mystery Oil.
Many people draw the conclusion that oil consumption leads to premature
death of the motor, but with these cars, that is not the case. Keep the
level where it should be on the dipstick by checking it often, and listen
for telltale signs of timing chain wear, and it should still live a long
life.
Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic,com ]
---
Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http :// www .evilplastic,com
<IrwinDesign@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:2e48b43c-1832-46d8-8c80-df1d42702def@s8g2000prg.googlegroups,com ...
> My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
> consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
> where to start.
>
> 1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
> brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
> that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
> problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
> how to adjust them otherwise.
>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Re: Drum Pulls Off Easily
<snip>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Wow, this is almost exactly what I wrote in 2002 after buying my 1995
SW1. One response that I remember was 'Oil and alternators are
consumables when you own a Saturn'.
I just kept an eye on the level and all was ok for 5 years until the car
was removed from service.
-David
<snip>
> 2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
> very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
> has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
> is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
> coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
Wow, this is almost exactly what I wrote in 2002 after buying my 1995
SW1. One response that I remember was 'Oil and alternators are
consumables when you own a Saturn'.
I just kept an eye on the level and all was ok for 5 years until the car
was removed from service.
-David
