old people and clutches

old people and clutches

I have noticed that through out the years of talking with people who have
had their manual transmissions for years, that I observed that the older the
driver, the longer the original clutch has lasted for them. No pun intended,
but could it be that slower deliberate movement of the clutch pedal leads to
longer clutch life?

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marx404

Re: old people and clutches

Probably has more to do with the fact that they're not in as much of a rush
and don't rev up to 3K RPM taking off in 1st from a light while taking 4-5
seconds to fully engage the clutch like I see, or beat the sh#t out of their
car because they're not in a rush like the younger people. If this was a
definite known fact, I would speculate that the conservative driving they do
could be the reason for longer lasting clutches. I don't think it can ever
be proven a fact though....I was 35 and got 200K miles out of my clutch on
my old '94 SL2. I now have 51K on my '06 Vue 5-speed with no problems (with
the clutch anyway - Got a funny whine that starts when the car starts
moving. You hear it over 20mph and the pitch gets progressively higher the
faster you go, like I have snow tires on...Speculate it's my front
bearings...sigh...Going to change them soon myself)

IYM

"marx404" <404@404,com > wrote in message
news:47973128$0$18457$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>I have noticed that through out the years of talking with people who have
>had their manual transmissions for years, that I observed that the older
>the driver, the longer the original clutch has lasted for them. No pun
>intended, but could it be that slower deliberate movement of the clutch
>pedal leads to longer clutch life?
>
> --
> marx404
>

Re: old people and clutches

It's the highway driving for the snowbirds that only use the car to drive
between NY and Fla...
Not much shifting there. <G>
Beside that, I agee with IYM

"marx404" <404@404,com > wrote in message
news:47973128$0$18457$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>I have noticed that through out the years of talking with people who have
>had their manual transmissions for years, that I observed that the older
>the driver, the longer the original clutch has lasted for them. No pun
>intended, but could it be that slower deliberate movement of the clutch
>pedal leads to longer clutch life?
>
> --
> marx404
>

Re: old people and clutches

Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)

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marx404
"Oppie" <boppie@nospam,com > wrote in message
news:iTIlj.5657$5h6.5135@trndny09...
> It's the highway driving for the snowbirds that only use the car to drive
> between NY and Fla...
> Not much shifting there. <G>
> Beside that, I agee with IYM
>
> "marx404" <404@404,com > wrote in message
> news:47973128$0$18457$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
>>I have noticed that through out the years of talking with people who have
>>had their manual transmissions for years, that I observed that the older
>>the driver, the longer the original clutch has lasted for them. No pun
>>intended, but could it be that slower deliberate movement of the clutch
>>pedal leads to longer clutch life?
>>
>> --
>> marx404
>>
>
>

Re: old people and clutches

On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
> Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much  fun :-)
>
> --
> marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
>
> news:iTIlj.5657$5h6.5135@trndny09...
>
>
>
> > It's the highway driving for the snowbirds that only use the car to drive
> > between NY and Fla...
> > Not much shifting there. <G>
> > Beside that, I agee with IYM
>
> > "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote in message
> >news:47973128$0$18457$4c368faf@roadrunner,com ...
> >>I have noticed that through out the years of talking with people who have
> >>had their manual transmissions for years, that I observed that the older
> >>the driver, the longer the original clutch has lasted for them. No pun
> >>intended, but could it be that slower deliberate movement of the clutch
> >>pedal leads to longer clutch life?
>
> >> --
> >> marx404- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage

Re: old people and clutches

<p_vouers@goochs,com > wrote in message news:8226571e-ada1-442c-bb5f-d01f8c1fdc65@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
> Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)
>
> --
> marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
> <snip>

> Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage

Huh? I'm too old to shift THAT fast! In first gear I get to 2k rpm almost immediately upon light pressure on the
accelerator! :)

Re: old people and clutches

On Jan 24, 1:25 pm, "Steve"
<steven dot turetzky at unisys ...@deletethis,com > wrote:
> <p vou...@goochs,com > wrote in messagenews:8226571e-ada1-442c-bb5f-d01f8c1fdc65@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
>
> On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
>
> > Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)
>
> > --
> > marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
> > <snip>
> > Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage
>
>     Huh? I'm too old to shift THAT fast! In first gear I get to 2k rpm almost immediately upon light pressure on the
> accelerator! :)

HaHa!! Youngwhipper snapper.. old is starting in SECOND gear :-)

Re: old people and clutches

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:43:46 -0800 (PST), "p vouers@goochs,com "
<p vouers@goochs,com > wrote:

>On Jan 24, 1:25 pm, "Steve"
><steven dot turetzky at unisys ...@deletethis,com > wrote:
>> <p vou...@goochs,com > wrote in messagenews:8226571e-ada1-442c-bb5f-d01f8c1fdc65@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>> On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
>>
>> > Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)
>>
>> > --
>> > marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
>> > <snip>
>> > Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage
>>
>>     Huh? I'm too old to shift THAT fast! In first gear I get to 2k rpm almost immediately upon light pressure on the
>> accelerator! :)
>
>HaHa!! Youngwhipper snapper.. old is starting in SECOND gear :-)
My '03 ion s'clutch 'squeals'' while shifting when its cold.Hope
that's not a sound of new parts due,it's only got 65K.How can anyone
get exicited revving up one of these newer cars?,I do short peel outs
fron a red light,but thats about it.

Re: squealing clutch


"teem" <stooges2757@windstream,net > wrote in message
news:7m0op3d2j8cm7i1pbmqvjroksn8cpuvcc0@4ax,com ...

> My '03 ion s'clutch 'squeals'' while shifting when its cold.Hope
> that's not a sound of new parts due,it's only got 65K.How can anyone
> get exicited revving up one of these newer cars?,I do short peel outs
> fron a red light,but thats about it.

If it squeals when you put in the clutch, it may be a throw-out bearing
about to go. Does it chatter as you come up to friction point or slip when
engaged? Slipping is most easily seen by either popping the clutch with no
accelerator and stalling the engine or in top gear, flooring it and seeing
an immediate rise in RPM before the car starts to speed up.

Re: old people and clutches

p vouers@goochs,com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 1:25 pm, "Steve"
> <steven dot turetzky at unisys ...@deletethis,com > wrote:
>> <p vou...@goochs,com > wrote in messagenews:8226571e-ada1-442c-bb5f-d01f8c1fdc65@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
>>
>> On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)
>>> --
>>> marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
>>> <snip>
>>> Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage
>> Huh? I'm too old to shift THAT fast! In first gear I get to 2k rpm almost immediately upon light pressure on the
>> accelerator! :)
>
> HaHa!! Youngwhipper snapper.. old is starting in SECOND gear :-)

No. Old is starting in 1st gear on a 3 speed and NEVER use 2nd. On a 5 speed it means starting in 3rd.

I was teaching my son to drive his "new" 98 SL2 for the last few weeks. I was showing him how if you're not in a hurry you can go 135 or 24 or 124 or whatever makes sense. It took him a while to get over that the gears don't have to go in order. Especially when slowing down. :)

Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?

Re: old people and clutches


"DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
news:c0352$479d4c9c$d1aa8d95$28014@PORTBRIDGE,com ...
> p_vouers@goochs,com wrote:
>> On Jan 24, 1:25 pm, "Steve"
>> <steven_dot_turetzky_at_unisys_...@deletethis,com > wrote:
>>> <p_vou...@goochs,com > wrote in
>>> messagenews:8226571e-ada1-442c-bb5f-d01f8c1fdc65@1g2000hsl.googlegroups,com ...
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 10:26 pm, "marx404" <4...@404,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanx, I'm trying to keep the RPM's low, but that's not as much fun :-)
>>>> --
>>>> marx404"Oppie" <bop...@nospam,com > wrote in message
>>>> <snip>
>>>> Us older folks sift at about 2k rpm and we also get better gas mileage
>>> Huh? I'm too old to shift THAT fast! In first gear I get to 2k rpm
>>> almost immediately upon light pressure on the
>>> accelerator! :)
>>
>> HaHa!! Youngwhipper snapper.. old is starting in SECOND gear :-)
>
> No. Old is starting in 1st gear on a 3 speed and NEVER use 2nd. On a 5
> speed it means starting in 3rd.
>
> I was teaching my son to drive his "new" 98 SL2 for the last few weeks. I
> was showing him how if you're not in a hurry you can go 135 or 24 or 124
> or whatever makes sense. It took him a while to get over that the gears
> don't have to go in order. Especially when slowing down. :)
>
> Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?

Ooh, Ooh! I know. Was it because on a column shift 3 speed, if you weren't
careful, you'd wind up in reverse instead of second gear and making a
terrible grinding noise?...
I drove one of those once.

R 2
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Re: old people and clutches

Oppie wrote:
> "DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message

>> Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?
>
> Ooh, Ooh! I know. Was it because on a column shift 3 speed, if you weren't
> careful, you'd wind up in reverse instead of second gear and making a
> terrible grinding noise?...
> I drove one of those once.
>
> R 2
> | |
> | |
> 1 3

No. Model T's had two forward speeds. And folks who learned to drive in prior to the 30s got in the habit that you needed a gear to get going and one for cruising. Everything else was a waste. Here are some notes on how it worked.

http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford Model T

As to column shifting. Most of the US did that in the 40s and 50s and well into the 60s. If my mom could do it you should be able to. :)

David Ross

Re: old people and clutches


"DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
news:3c1f7$479ecb8b$d1aa8d95$8181@PORTBRIDGE,com ...
> Oppie wrote:
>> "DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
>
>>> Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?
>>
>> Ooh, Ooh! I know. Was it because on a column shift 3 speed, if you
>> weren't careful, you'd wind up in reverse instead of second gear and
>> making a terrible grinding noise?...
>> I drove one of those once.
>>
>> R 2
>> |__|
>> | |
>> 1 3
>
> No. Model T's had two forward speeds. And folks who learned to drive in
> prior to the 30s got in the habit that you needed a gear to get going and
> one for cruising. Everything else was a waste. Here are some notes on how
> it worked.
>
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T
>
> As to column shifting. Most of the US did that in the 40s and 50s and well
> into the 60s. If my mom could do it you should be able to. :)
>
> David Ross

Live and learn. I knew some of the specifics about the model T engine and
ignition system but not a thing about the rest of the drive train. that was
very informative - thanks.

I learned to drive on a '54 Olds with a 4 speed (+reverse) turbo-hydramatic
transmission. Was a bit of a shock when my dad sold that and bought a '69
beetle. Driving on flat ground was an easy learn. What took lots of practice
was starting on an uphill grade. Had my share of engine stalls and angry
folks honking their horns behind me.
A buddy let me drive his old chevy with the column shift once. Took a bit of
getting used to.

Re: old people and clutches

Oppie wrote:
> "DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
> news:3c1f7$479ecb8b$d1aa8d95$8181@PORTBRIDGE,com ...
>> Oppie wrote:
>>> "DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
>>>> Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?
>>> Ooh, Ooh! I know. Was it because on a column shift 3 speed, if you
>>> weren't careful, you'd wind up in reverse instead of second gear and
>>> making a terrible grinding noise?...
>>> I drove one of those once.
>>>
>>> R 2
>>> | |
>>> | |
>>> 1 3
>> No. Model T's had two forward speeds. And folks who learned to drive in
>> prior to the 30s got in the habit that you needed a gear to get going and
>> one for cruising. Everything else was a waste. Here are some notes on how
>> it worked.
>>
>> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford Model T
>>
>> As to column shifting. Most of the US did that in the 40s and 50s and well
>> into the 60s. If my mom could do it you should be able to. :)
>>
>> David Ross
>
> Live and learn. I knew some of the specifics about the model T engine and
> ignition system but not a thing about the rest of the drive train. that was
> very informative - thanks.
>
> I learned to drive on a '54 Olds with a 4 speed (+reverse) turbo-hydramatic
> transmission. Was a bit of a shock when my dad sold that and bought a '69
> beetle. Driving on flat ground was an easy learn. What took lots of practice
> was starting on an uphill grade. Had my share of engine stalls and angry
> folks honking their horns behind me.
> A buddy let me drive his old chevy with the column shift once. Took a bit of
> getting used to.

I grew up where my dad and uncle built a lawn mower. Engine was off a 2 cylinder flathead hay bailer. Level clutch. That was driving a 3 speed motorcycle transmission. That was driving a 3 speed w/reverse transmission/shortened drive shaft/rear end off a Crawsley (sp?) station wagon. This was my lawn mower when I was in grade school. (Much to my mom's consternation.) Later in my teens I earned my money mowing fields with a Ford 8N tractor. By the time I got to drive a pick up with the shift on the column it seemed incredibly easy. The pattern, not getting going from a standing start. :)

Things have changed a bit.

David

Re: old people and clutches

DLR wrote:
> Oppie wrote:
>> "DLR" <news23@raleighthings,com > wrote in message
>
>>> Bonus. Why did old folks (most likely all dead now) never use 2nd?
>>
>> Ooh, Ooh! I know. Was it because on a column shift 3 speed, if you
>> weren't careful, you'd wind up in reverse instead of second gear and
>> making a terrible grinding noise?...
>> I drove one of those once.
>>
>> R 2
>> | |
>> | |
>> 1 3
>
> No. Model T's had two forward speeds. And folks who learned to drive in
> prior to the 30s got in the habit that you needed a gear to get going
> and one for cruising. Everything else was a waste. Here are some notes
> on how it worked.
>
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford Model T
>
> As to column shifting. Most of the US did that in the 40s and 50s and
> well into the 60s. If my mom could do it you should be able to. :)

Just to not. Most of the folks I knew who skipped 2nd gear were born prior to the LAST century. :)

David