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intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee

Reply from: Mr.X
Date: 06 Dec 2006, 22:22
intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee


On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:

When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
door window when both are in the full up position.

It was returned with a note to the effect:
"problem not found, functions normally"

The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
email states:

"Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"

I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
suggestion here, Thanks for any responses

noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
this time


Reply from: Art
Date: 07 Dec 2006, 00:24
Re: intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee

Rattles may only be covered under warranty for first year of ownership but
if reported during that year and not fixed you shouldn't have to pay a
diagnostic fee in my opinion.


"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
news:53cen25725vshui8bonknjhahtamghc9mq@4ax,com ...
>
> On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:
>
> When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
> position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
> going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
> either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
> amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
> door window when both are in the full up position.
>
> It was returned with a note to the effect:
> "problem not found, functions normally"
>
> The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
> friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
> email states:
>
> "Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
> BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"
>
> I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
> suggestion here, Thanks for any responses
>
> noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
> present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
> while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
> noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
> this time
>



Reply from: Shep
Date: 07 Dec 2006, 01:10
Re: intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee

These type of repairs/compaints are covered bumper to bumper 3/36, don't let
them get away with with this unless they try and say it is caused by some
misuse/abuse.
"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
news:53cen25725vshui8bonknjhahtamghc9mq@4ax,com ...
>
> On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:
>
> When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
> position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
> going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
> either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
> amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
> door window when both are in the full up position.
>
> It was returned with a note to the effect:
> "problem not found, functions normally"
>
> The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
> friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
> email states:
>
> "Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
> BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"
>
> I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
> suggestion here, Thanks for any responses
>
> noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
> present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
> while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
> noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
> this time
>
>



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Reply from: Ugly
Date: 07 Dec 2006, 10:09
Re: intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee

The Sebring Convertible is a big heavy car that has 'Body Flex'. When you go
down the rough bumpy road the whole cars body is flexing and twisting
slightly.. there's no hard-top roof there to add support. Your dealer
probably isn't going to be able to do anything about it... the top of the
window is moving with the 'body flex' while the convertible top is moving
and 'flexing' in a different direction. Most convertibles look nice but are
noisey rattly things... that's part of the joy of owning a convertible.
Wedge a matchbook or something cardboard up there if it bugs you too bad.
Check this link out:
http :// cars.about,com /od/chrysler/fr/jf_05sebring.htm

"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
news:53cen25725vshui8bonknjhahtamghc9mq@4ax,com ...
>
> On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:
>
> When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
> position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
> going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
> either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
> amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
> door window when both are in the full up position.
>
> It was returned with a note to the effect:
> "problem not found, functions normally"
>
> The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
> friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
> email states:
>
> "Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
> BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"
>
> I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
> suggestion here, Thanks for any responses
>
> noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
> present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
> while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
> noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
> this time
>



Reply from: Mr.X
Date: 07 Dec 2006, 21:33
Re: intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 04:09:38 -0500, "Ugly" <Ugly@TrollBridge,com >
wrote:

>The Sebring Convertible is a big heavy car that has 'Body Flex'. When you go
>down the rough bumpy road the whole cars body is flexing and twisting
>slightly.. there's no hard-top roof there to add support. Your dealer
>probably isn't going to be able to do anything about it... the top of the
>window is moving with the 'body flex' while the convertible top is moving
>and 'flexing' in a different direction. Most convertibles look nice but are
>noisey rattly things... that's part of the joy of owning a convertible.
>Wedge a matchbook or something cardboard up there if it bugs you too bad.
>Check this link out:
> http :// cars.about,com /od/chrysler/fr/jf_05sebring.htm
>
>"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
>news:53cen25725vshui8bonknjhahtamghc9mq@4ax,com ...
>>
>> On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:
>>
>> When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
>> position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
>> going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
>> either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
>> amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
>> door window when both are in the full up position.
>>
>> It was returned with a note to the effect:
>> "problem not found, functions normally"
>>
>> The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
>> friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
>> email states:
>>
>> "Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
>> BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"
>>
>> I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
>> suggestion here, Thanks for any responses
>>
>> noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
>> present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
>> while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
>> noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
>> this time
>>
>


Thanks all for the responses, I do understand convertible 'Body Flex'
is a significant part of this noise, yet since the noise is
intermittent and annoying only on one side there is something out of
line on that side. The Sebring may not be the ultimate luxury top of
the line convertible where owners would not put up with a intermittent
noise of this sort, yet it's not a bottom line piece of junk where
noises like this are to be accepted as normal.

Reply from: Art
Date: 08 Dec 2006, 15:39
Re: intermittent window nose 05 Convertable Sebring & $101.5 1-hour diagnostic fee


"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
news:kotgn2ds24jcglo42q7ccm5i3ekufv6lsf@4ax,com ...
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 04:09:38 -0500, "Ugly" <Ugly@TrollBridge,com >
> wrote:
>
>>The Sebring Convertible is a big heavy car that has 'Body Flex'. When you
>>go
>>down the rough bumpy road the whole cars body is flexing and twisting
>>slightly.. there's no hard-top roof there to add support. Your dealer
>>probably isn't going to be able to do anything about it... the top of the
>>window is moving with the 'body flex' while the convertible top is moving
>>and 'flexing' in a different direction. Most convertibles look nice but
>>are
>>noisey rattly things... that's part of the joy of owning a convertible.
>>Wedge a matchbook or something cardboard up there if it bugs you too bad.
>>Check this link out:
>> http :// cars.about,com /od/chrysler/fr/jf_05sebring.htm
>>
>>"Mr.X" <X@X,com > wrote in message
>>news:53cen25725vshui8bonknjhahtamghc9mq@4ax,com ...
>>>
>>> On my last visit in June I gave the service writer a copy of this:
>>>
>>> When the passenger side door and rear windows are in a full up
>>> position there is a rattle, tapping or knocking that occurs when
>>> going over rough/bumpy road surfaces. This rattle will disappear if
>>> either the front or rear passenger side window are lowered any
>>> amount, or if pressure is applied to the top rear of the passenger
>>> door window when both are in the full up position.
>>>
>>> It was returned with a note to the effect:
>>> "problem not found, functions normally"
>>>
>>> The dealer is efficient in that when I made my appointment for this
>>> friday the service writer must have reviewed my file and the confirm
>>> email states:
>>>
>>> "Other Diagnosis/Repair - HEARING THE SAME NOISE THAT HE REPORTED
>>> BEFORE - $101.5 (1-hour diagnostic fee only)"
>>>
>>> I plan to hand the service writer the following, unless I get a better
>>> suggestion here, Thanks for any responses
>>>
>>> noise is intermittent and is still present at times. When it is
>>> present , sometimes noise will disappear when raising rear window
>>> while pressing outward on rear window. if fee is $101.5 I will want it
>>> noted on service record request , but will not want it diagnosed at
>>> this time
>>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks all for the responses, I do understand convertible 'Body Flex'
> is a significant part of this noise, yet since the noise is
> intermittent and annoying only on one side there is something out of
> line on that side. The Sebring may not be the ultimate luxury top of
> the line convertible where owners would not put up with a intermittent
> noise of this sort, yet it's not a bottom line piece of junk where
> noises like this are to be accepted as normal.


Maybe, maybe not. Ask all the people who have posted here about the sound
of water swishing in their fenders. Kind of junky to me.



Reply from: Mr.X
Date: 12 Dec 2006, 23:29
Re: intermittent window nose 05 ConvertIble Sebring

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:40:41 -0600, Harryface9105@webtv,net (Harry
Face) wrote:

>There could be a few possibilities on your rattle.
>
>Being a convertible there are going to be issues associated with body
>stress when you go over large bumps or railroad tracks.

when it's in it's tapping/rattle mode the bump could be the typical
cement expansion joint in the pavement to produce the tapping. noise
over a RR track I'll accept.

>
>Freezing cold temperatures also add to a convertibles noises.
>

could be a factor, as the noise happened during warmer weather


>This pressure your applying to the glass to eliminate the noise - Are
>you pushing outward on the glass??

yep I'm not driving while hanging onto the roof

>
>First thing try putting a rubber protectant on the weatherstrips and
>drive down a road where the noise occurs. I'm wondering if your hearing
>more of a squeak that a rattle.
>

more of a tapping between the glass frame members or possible the top
of the glass and the roof member or something in the roof member when
both windows are up


>When you have the top up and the windows completely closed, does the
>glass look like it makes good contact with the weatherstrips on the top
>frame and on the vertical weatherstrip on the quarter window?
>


looks good and I took a close look

>Any air leak noises? Hissing or water leaks?

nope

>
>Open the door and slip a piece of paper over the top of the window
>glass, close the door so the paper is stuck between the window and
>weatherstrip in the top frame. Try dragging the paper from the front to
>the back of the glass.
>

thought about that but didn't do it yet

>If its hard to pull but gets easier as you get further back, there could
>be an alignment issue with the door, the glass or the right front
>weatherstrip on the top frame .
>
>Put a piece of paper between the quarter window's vertical weatherstrip
>and the vertical edge of the door glass. Is the pressure between the
>mating surfaces uniform as you drag the paper up or down.


will do it if the tapping returns

>
>Could be the rear quarter window needs adjustment.
>
>Has the car been in an accident?

this is a new off the lot car now with 7k miles

>
>Another test, try driving over a section of road where the noise occurs.
>Have a friend in the car, once you get to where to the area where the
>noise occurs have him pull in on the passenger door slightly to see if
>the noise goes away.

actually roads considered good with minor defects will create the
tapping when it's in it's tapping mode

>
>Some vehicles are equipped with a zero adjust door striker. Like my
>Buick has. And you may not be able to adjust the door striker.
>
>One other piece of advice have all the windows down so they are out of
>contact range when the top is raised and locked. Never force lock the
>top when the glass is fully up, it could damage the weatherstrips.
>

that's a built in feature of the Sebring , it will lower the windows
about 2 inches when raising the top

>Good Luck

Thanks

>
>Harryface




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