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Istanbul and Gallipoli
I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
won't come out).
In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
(restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
won't come out).
In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
(restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
> I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> won't come out).
>
> In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> George W Russell
>
> Bangalore
all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!
On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
> I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> won't come out).
>
> In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> George W Russell
>
> Bangalore
all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > won't come out).
>
> > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > George W Russell
>
> > Bangalore
>
> all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
yet.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > won't come out).
>
> > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > George W Russell
>
> > Bangalore
>
> all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
yet.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > won't come out).
>
> > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > > George W Russell
>
> > > Bangalore
>
> > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> yet.
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
London....
Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
interesting
On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > won't come out).
>
> > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > > George W Russell
>
> > > Bangalore
>
> > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> yet.
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
London....
Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
interesting
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > Bangalore
>
> > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > yet.
>
> > Cheers,
> > George W Russell
> > Bangalore
>
> Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> London....
> Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> interesting-
I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
is overrated.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > Bangalore
>
> > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > yet.
>
> > Cheers,
> > George W Russell
> > Bangalore
>
> Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> London....
> Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> interesting-
I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
is overrated.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > yet.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > George W Russell
> > > Bangalore
>
> > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > London....
> > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > interesting-
>
> I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> is overrated.
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy
On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > yet.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > George W Russell
> > > Bangalore
>
> > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > London....
> > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > interesting-
>
> I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> is overrated.
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > yet.
>
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > George W Russell
> > > > Bangalore
>
> > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > London....
> > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > interesting-
>
> > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > is overrated.
>
> ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > yet.
>
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > George W Russell
> > > > Bangalore
>
> > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > London....
> > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > interesting-
>
> > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > is overrated.
>
> ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > London....
> > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > interesting-
>
> > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > is overrated.
>
> > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
> I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
ah, but they wont buried in a field....
On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > London....
> > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > interesting-
>
> > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > is overrated.
>
> > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
> I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
ah, but they wont buried in a field....
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > London....
> > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > is overrated.
>
> > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
SHUT UP
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > London....
> > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > is overrated.
>
> > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
SHUT UP
Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > London....
> > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> SHUT UP
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > London....
> > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> SHUT UP
>
> Cheers,
> George W Russell
> Bangalore
enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Jun 4, 5:06 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > > London....
> > > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > SHUT UP
>
> > Cheers,
> > George W Russell
> > Bangalore
>
> enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Hide quoted text -
>
enjoy Belgium zzzzzzzzzzzzz
On Jun 4, 5:06 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > > London....
> > > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > SHUT UP
>
> > Cheers,
> > George W Russell
> > Bangalore
>
> enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Hide quoted text -
>
enjoy Belgium zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 4 Jun, 14:19, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 5:06 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > > > London....
> > > > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > > > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > > > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > SHUT UP
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > George W Russell
> > > Bangalore
>
> > enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Hide quoted text -
>
> enjoy Belgium zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Kingfisher zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
http :// www .dma.be/p/bier/1 11 uk.htm
...actually, there is ONE interesting thing in the museum in
Gallipoli......and that was 2 bullets that had collided mid-air....but
apart from that zzzzzzzzz.
The Dolmabahce Palace was intensely boring, the Topkapi though was
intensely interesting !
On 4 Jun, 14:19, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 5:06 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4 Jun, 13:57, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl <george.w.russ...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney <michaelnewp...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" <grusl@hotma nospam il.usual> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and
> > > > > > > > > > > basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in
> > > > > > > > > > > BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about
> > > > > > > > > > > USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi
> > > > > > > > > > > in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics
> > > > > > > > > > > won't come out).
>
> > > > > > > > > > > In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli
> > > > > > > > > > > via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially
> > > > > > > > > > > mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable
> > > > > > > > > > > veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but
> > > > > > > > > > > if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and
> > > > > > > > > > > memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's
> > > > > > > > > > > history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking
> > > > > > > > > > > (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely
> > > > > > > > > > > omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief
> > > > > > > > > > > research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging
> > > > > > > > > > > university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > George W Russell
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > > > all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category.
>
> > > > > > > > > The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost
> > > > > > > > > yet.
>
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > George W Russell
> > > > > > > > > Bangalore
>
> > > > > > > > Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of
> > > > > > > > London....
> > > > > > > > Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more
> > > > > > > > interesting-
>
> > > > > > > I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London
> > > > > > > is overrated.
>
> > > > > > ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at
> > > > > > least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz
>
> > > > indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort.
>
> > > > > I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.
>
> > > > ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > SHUT UP
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > George W Russell
> > > Bangalore
>
> > enjoy Gelibolu......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Hide quoted text -
>
> enjoy Belgium zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Kingfisher zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
http :// www .dma.be/p/bier/1 11 uk.htm
...actually, there is ONE interesting thing in the museum in
Gallipoli......and that was 2 bullets that had collided mid-air....but
apart from that zzzzzzzzz.
The Dolmabahce Palace was intensely boring, the Topkapi though was
intensely interesting !
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people. Just
a bit of scrub where people died.
For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
(in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
"birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what it
means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at dawn
to "celebrate".
This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete disaster.
As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that wantonly
threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia realised
that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and hence marked
the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate and
independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
1/1/1901).
I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when they
visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have no idea
of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some of this.
Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and cultural
roots.
You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people. Just
a bit of scrub where people died.
For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
(in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
"birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what it
means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at dawn
to "celebrate".
This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete disaster.
As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that wantonly
threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia realised
that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and hence marked
the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate and
independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
1/1/1901).
I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when they
visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have no idea
of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some of this.
Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and cultural
roots.
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
On 7 Jun, 04:51, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet,com .au>
wrote:
> You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people. Just
> a bit of scrub where people died.
>
> For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
> (in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
> "birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what it
> means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
> public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at dawn
> to "celebrate".
>
> This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
> lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete disaster.
> As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that wantonly
> threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia realised
> that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and hence marked
> the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate and
> independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
> 1/1/1901).
>
> I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when they
> visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have no idea
> of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some of this.
>
> Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
> Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
> these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and cultural
> roots.
Interesting, my grandad and his pals fought just down the road from
here, yet I see it as just another waste of time and effort, and leave
it at that.
Do you feel the same way about the treatment of Aborigines and Maoris ?
On 7 Jun, 04:51, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet,com .au>
wrote:
> You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people. Just
> a bit of scrub where people died.
>
> For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
> (in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
> "birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what it
> means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
> public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at dawn
> to "celebrate".
>
> This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
> lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete disaster.
> As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that wantonly
> threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia realised
> that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and hence marked
> the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate and
> independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
> 1/1/1901).
>
> I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when they
> visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have no idea
> of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some of this.
>
> Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
> Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
> these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and cultural
> roots.
Interesting, my grandad and his pals fought just down the road from
here, yet I see it as just another waste of time and effort, and leave
it at that.
Do you feel the same way about the treatment of Aborigines and Maoris ?
Re: Istanbul and Gallipoli
You said what I was trying to say - only more eloquently. Thanks.
"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet,com .au> wrote in message
news:4849f79b$0$1021$afc38c87@news.optusnet,com .au...
> You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people.
> Just a bit of scrub where people died.
>
> For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
> (in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
> "birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what
> it means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
> public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at
> dawn to "celebrate".
>
> This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
> lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete
> disaster. As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that
> wantonly threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia
> realised that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and
> hence marked the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate
> and independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
> 1/1/1901).
>
> I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when
> they visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have
> no idea of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some
> of this.
>
> Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
> Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
> these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and
> cultural roots.
>
>
You said what I was trying to say - only more eloquently. Thanks.
"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet,com .au> wrote in message
news:4849f79b$0$1021$afc38c87@news.optusnet,com .au...
> You may think Gallipoli is boring. It probably is for a lot of people.
> Just a bit of scrub where people died.
>
> For some people, however, Gallipoli is a very sacred site. For Australians
> (in particular) and New Zealanders, it is considered in many ways as the
> "birthplace" of our nation. It is intimately bound into our idea of what
> it means to be an Australian. The annual anniversary of the invasion is a
> public holiday, tens of thousands get up at dawn to line the streets at
> dawn to "celebrate".
>
> This is an unusual and very healthy thing to celebrate. We comprehensively
> lost this battle with tens of thousands killed. It was a complete
> disaster. As popular culture would have it, this was a British idea that
> wantonly threw away Australian lives. It marked the point where Australia
> realised that its interests were not the same as the Brits interest, and
> hence marked the real start of our independence from Britian as a separate
> and independent Nation (which legally had occurred 14 years before, on
> 1/1/1901).
>
> I am told it is very common for Australian's to break down and cry when
> they visit Gallipoli. Unless you are an Australian or Kiwi, you can have
> no idea of this site's importance to our countries. Brits understand some
> of this.
>
> Visitting Gallipoli is a bit like visitting US Civil War battlefields.
> Unless you are an American, these are just corn fields. Your reaction to
> these sites is very, very heavily dependent upon your national and
> cultural roots.
>
>
