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UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

Reply from: pdotson@mindspring,com
Date: 14 Dec 2006, 17:56
UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

12/14/06
UltraForce Simulators
http :// www .ultraforcesim,com

Kokomo, Indiana - Ultraforce Simulators LLC Announces Launch of the
GS-1:

The UltraForce GS-1 brings ground-breaking G-Seat technology to racing
sim drivers and flight sim pilots. The patent-pending GS-1 translates
X, Y, and Z axis inertial accelerations calculated by the simulation
software physics into three dimensional motion cues. Race drivers and
pilots alike will experience "seat of the pants" feedback from their
favorite simulation software like never before.

The height and angle of the GS-1 G-Seat is fully adjustable. The chair
is upholstered with a rubberized material that grips - helping
translate 100% of the chair feedback to the body of the user. The seat
frame is constructed from aluminum and steel. The seat upholstery and
powder-coated legs are available in multiple colors: black, red, blue,
green, or yellow. The seat provides mounting points for an optional
3-point harness. The GS-1 is powered by electric motors. Just plug
the chair into an electrical wall outlet and connect USB cable to a
computer. That's it! The chair is ready for software installation on
your computer.

UltraForce GS-1 G-Seats begin shipping in January 2007.
See the "Sneak Preview" product review in the December issue of
AutoSimSport - Available at:

www .autosimsport,net


Reply from: Osarenren
Date: 14 Dec 2006, 19:44
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly


Reply from: pdotson@mindspring,com
Date: 14 Dec 2006, 20:57
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

Thanks! :)

Actually, that's just a picture of the current prototype on the web
site. There is a CAD rendering of the production model in the lower
left column. I think the production units look nicer. Pictures of a
production seat will be on the web site in a couple of weeks.

Pat Dotson



Osarenren wrote:
> sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly


Reply from: Albert Ross
Date: 14 Dec 2006, 21:45
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
> Thanks! :)
>
> Actually, that's just a picture of the current prototype on the web
> site. There is a CAD rendering of the production model in the lower
> left column. I think the production units look nicer. Pictures of a
> production seat will be on the web site in a couple of weeks.
>
> Pat Dotson
>
>
>
> Osarenren wrote:
>
>>sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly
>
>
Yes, but as long as it's functional

Reply from: R
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 01:16
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

Albert Ross wrote:
> pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
>> Thanks! :)
>>
>> Actually, that's just a picture of the current prototype on the web
>> site. There is a CAD rendering of the production model in the lower
>> left column. I think the production units look nicer. Pictures of a
>> production seat will be on the web site in a couple of weeks.
>>
>> Pat Dotson
>>
>>
>>
>> Osarenren wrote:
>>
>>> sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly
>>
>>
> Yes, but as long as it's functional

Sounds extremely interesting, but the price seams way high at $3295 (US) :(.

Reply from: pdotson@mindspring,com
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 04:11
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

R wrote:
> Sounds extremely interesting, but the price seams way high at $3295 (US) :(.

The materials required to build the GS-1 G-seat are expensive. For
example, there are 14 individual motors driving the chair motion.
Metal costs for the steel and aluminum tubing are also very high right
now. I can't apologize for the price.

This is definitely a high-end product, but it delivers high-end
performance that isn't found anywhere else. I hope everyone will get a
chance to try it eventually to see what it does - and how well it
really works!

Pat Dotson


Reply from: R
Date: 16 Dec 2006, 00:28
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
> R wrote:
>> Sounds extremely interesting, but the price seams way high at $3295 (US) :(.
>
> The materials required to build the GS-1 G-seat are expensive. For
> example, there are 14 individual motors driving the chair motion.
> Metal costs for the steel and aluminum tubing are also very high right
> now. I can't apologize for the price.
>
> This is definitely a high-end product, but it delivers high-end
> performance that isn't found anywhere else. I hope everyone will get a
> chance to try it eventually to see what it does - and how well it
> really works!
>
> Pat Dotson
>

My "criticism" of the price is not that I think that it is not worth
that amount, I just think it is a lot of money for a racing sim device.
It is certainly not in the price range of try and if you don't like
it, your only out a few bucks. Also, it needs to be supported to work
in all future sims to guarantee its value in the long run. That may be
the plan, but one never knows how things turn out.

As with most of these "add on" devices, there is usually no way to ever
try before you buy. That's not a criticism specifically of this
product, but just a general comment.

I hope this device is very successful so that so many are sold that the
price can come down and then I can buy one :) :) :)

Reply from: R
Date: 16 Dec 2006, 01:41
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

Another thing I wanted to mention, there should be a version available
that is much lower. At this price and state of the art, the real
customers are the die-hard racing sim fans. They probably already have
a cockpit/race frame setup and would be looking for a low seat, not one
that just mates up to the standard height computer desk (with a seating
position like driving a truck or a van :). It looks like it would be
easy to adapt this seat to a race frame mount, but I am not sure and for
the price (here we go again) it would be nice not to have to make
modifications.

Reply from: pdotson@mindspring,com
Date: 17 Dec 2006, 08:35
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

Great idea!

Actually, the lower portion of the chair can be removed, or you could
buy just the seat without the base. I will offer a version of the
chair with mounting rails on the bottom. It will be a drop-in
replacement for a regular racing seat - Sparco, etc.

In fact, I'm shipping a seat to Europe this week that has no base. It
will be installed in a mock-up of an airline cockpit for flight
simulation. So it can definitely be added to an existing race cockpit.

Thanks,

Pat Dotson
UltraForce Simulators
http :// www .ultraforcesim,com


R wrote:
> Another thing I wanted to mention, there should be a version available
> that is much lower. At this price and state of the art, the real
> customers are the die-hard racing sim fans. They probably already have
> a cockpit/race frame setup and would be looking for a low seat, not one
> that just mates up to the standard height computer desk (with a seating
> position like driving a truck or a van :). It looks like it would be
> easy to adapt this seat to a race frame mount, but I am not sure and for
> the price (here we go again) it would be nice not to have to make
> modifications.


Reply from: Tony Rickard
Date: 17 Dec 2006, 11:44
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
> Great idea!
>
> Actually, the lower portion of the chair can be removed, or you could
> buy just the seat without the base. I will offer a version of the
> chair with mounting rails on the bottom. It will be a drop-in
> replacement for a regular racing seat - Sparco, etc.

To replace these?

http :// www .baldrick.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gpl/images/seats.jpg

:)
Tony

Reply from: R
Date: 17 Dec 2006, 16:34
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
> Great idea!
>
> Actually, the lower portion of the chair can be removed, or you could
> buy just the seat without the base. I will offer a version of the
> chair with mounting rails on the bottom. It will be a drop-in
> replacement for a regular racing seat - Sparco, etc.
>
That's very good to know. Thanks for the information.

Reply from: Ed Medlin
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 15:20
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat


"Osarenren" <admin@metroplexdeals,com > wrote in message
news:1166121882.300842.16100@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups,com ...
> sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly
>
and a 10% downpayment of $360 bucks....... That would be a cost of over
$3,600US........A bit overprised for something that looks like a lawn chair.

Ed



Reply from: pdotson@mindspring,com
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 18:01
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

OK, so not everyone is thrilled with the appearance of the prototype!
:)

I can understand that. I'm a little surprised at the strong reaction,
though, since nobody complains much about the "T-slot" aluminum based
products out there. I'm sitting in that prototype as I type this, and,
honestly, I think it looks at least as good as some of the less
expensive race frames out there. So I'll concentrate on improving the
aesthetics of the production model.

The point, though, is not really the appearance of the product. Almost
everyone who has tried the prototype has uttered the words "awesome",
or "totally cool", or something similar within the first two minutes.
You literally feel what the car is doing underneath you. Weight
transfer, bumps and dips, curbs - it's all there, direct from the
simulation physics. You aren't going to get this kind of experience
out of a regular race frame, even with a "bass shaker" or some other
vibration based enhancement. The experience this seat provides
requires some expensive component hardware.

Thanks, and keep the comments coming!

Pat Dotson


Ed Medlin wrote:
> "Osarenren" <admin@metroplexdeals,com > wrote in message
> news:1166121882.300842.16100@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups,com ...
> > sounds interesting. but it looks uucking fgly
> >
> and a 10% downpayment of $360 bucks....... That would be a cost of over
> $3,600US........A bit overprised for something that looks like a lawn chair.
>
> Ed


Reply from: news
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 19:33
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

pdotson@mindspring,com wrote:
> OK, so not everyone is thrilled with the appearance of the prototype!
> :)
>
not to slam your seat, but you did ask for comments, so here goes:

Ugly but works = good sales.
Sexy but doesn't work = good sales.
Sexy and works = great sales.

You need to add two more pads on the side for that cracked rib feeling
if you hit the wall. Seriously. Or at least to help feel the force of
cornering.

I'd also consider including race belts to strap you in so it's more
realistic.

But then, I'm a sucker for realism so I went and bought a real race car.
probably should have saved my money and bought this instead with the
way I go through parts.

:)

Reply from: news
Date: 15 Dec 2006, 19:35
Re: UltraForce GS-1 G-Seat

news wrote:
> I'd also consider including race belts to strap you in so it's more
> realistic.
>

ignore this part. I obviously didn't read all the way to the bottom
where you say
"The seat provides mounting points for an optional 3-point harness"

I still think the seat needs side "wings" for a little rib slamming fun.
:)


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