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Nightmare on Fremont Street
Nightmare on Fremont Street
Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
worried...
- It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week before
the first race!
- Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...". At
least Jon was still there.
- Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
lights go green.
- Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
- Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
the channel?
- Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
- No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
- It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
- I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
- Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
- They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while you
have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing, BAG
'EM!
- Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
- Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
Sustainable?
- Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
- Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
- Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the car.
Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank hat
deal?
Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
worried...
- It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week before
the first race!
- Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...". At
least Jon was still there.
- Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
lights go green.
- Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
- Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
the channel?
- Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
- No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
- It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
- I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
- Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
- They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while you
have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing, BAG
'EM!
- Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
- Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
Sustainable?
- Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
- Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
- Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the car.
Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank hat
deal?
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
>
With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop" or
"inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
everything and anything.
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
>
With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop" or
"inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
everything and anything.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net > wrote in message
news:l5oSh.144881$7g3.82698@newsfe14.phx...
> With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
>
> I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
> sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop"
> or "inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
> everything and anything.
Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter. I've been to
Loudon/Michigan/Nazareth/Montreal for multiple races, been pitside in GM99's
pit (RIP), blah blah blah etc.
I'm just saying, these artificial, single-car-only, lane-change chicanes are
horrible. I hated them in Montreal and other F1 tracks after Senna died,
and hate 'em now. Australia, at least, puts in enough curbing that you'll
feel it if you avoid it completely, but even that one leads to carnage.
That yellow-flag on the restart indicent was case in point. Monaco seems to
be the only street circuit that really does these right. (Yes, I know they
have infinite $$$.)
I want nothing more than for ChampCar to succeed (and Tony George to suck
it), but the timed races and public equipment problems are worrisome. At
least we're back on network TV.
Also:
- Justin Wilson, of F1 pedigree, has trouble with the paddle shifters?
- Kinda embarrassing to hear the Newman-Hass-whatever radio telling SeaBass
to park it because they can't afford another car. I hope this is because
the new Panoz chassis are in short supply right now, and not due to budget
cuts at NH.
"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net > wrote in message
news:l5oSh.144881$7g3.82698@newsfe14.phx...
> With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
>
> I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
> sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop"
> or "inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
> everything and anything.
Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter. I've been to
Loudon/Michigan/Nazareth/Montreal for multiple races, been pitside in GM99's
pit (RIP), blah blah blah etc.
I'm just saying, these artificial, single-car-only, lane-change chicanes are
horrible. I hated them in Montreal and other F1 tracks after Senna died,
and hate 'em now. Australia, at least, puts in enough curbing that you'll
feel it if you avoid it completely, but even that one leads to carnage.
That yellow-flag on the restart indicent was case in point. Monaco seems to
be the only street circuit that really does these right. (Yes, I know they
have infinite $$$.)
I want nothing more than for ChampCar to succeed (and Tony George to suck
it), but the timed races and public equipment problems are worrisome. At
least we're back on network TV.
Also:
- Justin Wilson, of F1 pedigree, has trouble with the paddle shifters?
- Kinda embarrassing to hear the Newman-Hass-whatever radio telling SeaBass
to park it because they can't afford another car. I hope this is because
the new Panoz chassis are in short supply right now, and not due to budget
cuts at NH.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evdhhh$rfp$1@aioe.org...
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net > wrote in message
> news:l5oSh.144881$7g3.82698@newsfe14.phx...
>
>> With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
>>
>> I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
>> sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop"
>> or "inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
>> everything and anything.
>
> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter. I've been to
> Loudon/Michigan/Nazareth/Montreal for multiple races, been pitside in
> GM99's pit (RIP), blah blah blah etc.
>
> I'm just saying, these artificial, single-car-only, lane-change chicanes
> are horrible. I hated them in Montreal and other F1 tracks after Senna
> died, and hate 'em now. Australia, at least, puts in enough curbing that
> you'll feel it if you avoid it completely, but even that one leads to
> carnage. That yellow-flag on the restart indicent was case in point.
> Monaco seems to be the only street circuit that really does these right.
> (Yes, I know they have infinite $$$.)
>
> I want nothing more than for ChampCar to succeed (and Tony George to suck
> it), but the timed races and public equipment problems are worrisome. At
> least we're back on network TV.
>
> Also:
>
> - Justin Wilson, of F1 pedigree, has trouble with the paddle shifters?
>
> - Kinda embarrassing to hear the Newman-Hass-whatever radio telling
> SeaBass to park it because they can't afford another car. I hope this is
> because the new Panoz chassis are in short supply right now, and not due
> to budget cuts at NH.
>
All chicanes are artificial.
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evdhhh$rfp$1@aioe.org...
> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net > wrote in message
> news:l5oSh.144881$7g3.82698@newsfe14.phx...
>
>> With fans like you and Robin Miller they really may be in trouble.
>>
>> I believe it is a tradition for a road course to have a chicane of some
>> sort. Sometimes it is in the form of "esses" and sometimes a "bus stop"
>> or "inner loop". It sounds like you are just making up complaints about
>> everything and anything.
>
> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter. I've been to
> Loudon/Michigan/Nazareth/Montreal for multiple races, been pitside in
> GM99's pit (RIP), blah blah blah etc.
>
> I'm just saying, these artificial, single-car-only, lane-change chicanes
> are horrible. I hated them in Montreal and other F1 tracks after Senna
> died, and hate 'em now. Australia, at least, puts in enough curbing that
> you'll feel it if you avoid it completely, but even that one leads to
> carnage. That yellow-flag on the restart indicent was case in point.
> Monaco seems to be the only street circuit that really does these right.
> (Yes, I know they have infinite $$$.)
>
> I want nothing more than for ChampCar to succeed (and Tony George to suck
> it), but the timed races and public equipment problems are worrisome. At
> least we're back on network TV.
>
> Also:
>
> - Justin Wilson, of F1 pedigree, has trouble with the paddle shifters?
>
> - Kinda embarrassing to hear the Newman-Hass-whatever radio telling
> SeaBass to park it because they can't afford another car. I hope this is
> because the new Panoz chassis are in short supply right now, and not due
> to budget cuts at NH.
>
All chicanes are artificial.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
El Gordo wrote:
> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter.
Give up. Trying to have a reasonable discussion here and in rasi is just
a waste of time. I watch both CCWS and IRL (I hated the IRL when it
started, but these days I prefer IRL races; but as I said: I watch
*both*) and I refuse to pick a side. Both have positive and negative
aspects and a real fan is capable of seeing the problems.
You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
thing to do.
El Gordo wrote:
> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter.
Give up. Trying to have a reasonable discussion here and in rasi is just
a waste of time. I watch both CCWS and IRL (I hated the IRL when it
started, but these days I prefer IRL races; but as I said: I watch
*both*) and I refuse to pick a side. Both have positive and negative
aspects and a real fan is capable of seeing the problems.
You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
thing to do.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
"Martin Schmidt" <ikarus260@gmx . net > wrote in message
news:57v9vjF2ed165U1@mid.individual . net ...
> El Gordo wrote:
>
>> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter.
>
> Give up. Trying to have a reasonable discussion here and in rasi is just
> a waste of time. I watch both CCWS and IRL (I hated the IRL when it
> started, but these days I prefer IRL races; but as I said: I watch
> *both*) and I refuse to pick a side. Both have positive and negative
> aspects and a real fan is capable of seeing the problems.
>
> You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
> mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
> admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
> people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
> thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
> thing to do.
His post was not a troll and mine was? Really, I think it was a fair
discussion. And you're trying to come of as unbiased but your colors have
shown in these groups for years.
"Martin Schmidt" <ikarus260@gmx . net > wrote in message
news:57v9vjF2ed165U1@mid.individual . net ...
> El Gordo wrote:
>
>> Fans like me?? I am a huge CART/ChampCar supporter.
>
> Give up. Trying to have a reasonable discussion here and in rasi is just
> a waste of time. I watch both CCWS and IRL (I hated the IRL when it
> started, but these days I prefer IRL races; but as I said: I watch
> *both*) and I refuse to pick a side. Both have positive and negative
> aspects and a real fan is capable of seeing the problems.
>
> You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
> mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
> admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
> people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
> thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
> thing to do.
His post was not a troll and mine was? Really, I think it was a fair
discussion. And you're trying to come of as unbiased but your colors have
shown in these groups for years.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
just bob wrote:
> His post was not a troll and mine was?
You are "RickyBobby"? When I replied to El Gordo, he had answered to
RickyBobby.
> Really, I think it was a fair discussion. And you're trying to come
> of as unbiased but your colors have shown in these groups for years.
So, what are my colours? Is my colour "having been a die-hard CART fan
for years and having been heavily disappoined by them"? Or is my colour
"having hated the IRL as much as most people back then, but having
fallen for them (once German TV started showing them live) because they
deliver the racing I expect from US OW racing and because they nowadays
follow the tradition of the old IndyCar Series"? I tell you what: it's both.
just bob wrote:
> His post was not a troll and mine was?
You are "RickyBobby"? When I replied to El Gordo, he had answered to
RickyBobby.
> Really, I think it was a fair discussion. And you're trying to come
> of as unbiased but your colors have shown in these groups for years.
So, what are my colours? Is my colour "having been a die-hard CART fan
for years and having been heavily disappoined by them"? Or is my colour
"having hated the IRL as much as most people back then, but having
fallen for them (once German TV started showing them live) because they
deliver the racing I expect from US OW racing and because they nowadays
follow the tradition of the old IndyCar Series"? I tell you what: it's both.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:03:46 +0200, Martin Schmidt wrote:
> You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
> mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
> admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
> people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
> thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
> thing to do.
Martin every time I see a post that starts with "I have been a long
time fan but....." up goes a big red flag. These posts are almost
always from the same nymshifting phool.
Bob
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:03:46 +0200, Martin Schmidt wrote:
> You clearly said you're a big CART/CCWS fan and all you did was
> mentioning a few problems you noticed. And you get attacked for that. I
> admire everyone who hasn't given up on rasc/rasi yet, but many good
> people have left the groups or at least stopped posting. It's the wrong
> thing to leave it to the trolls, but unfortunately it's the reasonable
> thing to do.
Martin every time I see a post that starts with "I have been a long
time fan but....." up goes a big red flag. These posts are almost
always from the same nymshifting phool.
Bob
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
Robert Lorenzini wrote:
> Martin every time I see a post that starts with "I have been a long
> time fan but....." up goes a big red flag. These posts are almost
> always from the same nymshifting phool.
Might be him, but in case of this thread I would give the original
poster the benefit of the doubt.
And the sentence you mentioned describes the problem in rasc/rasi (not
considering the OPs intention) - if you criticize something, you get
ripped apart by the trolls, so the best strategy these days seems to be
to start in defense mode (and even that doesn't work anymore). :-(
Robert Lorenzini wrote:
> Martin every time I see a post that starts with "I have been a long
> time fan but....." up goes a big red flag. These posts are almost
> always from the same nymshifting phool.
Might be him, but in case of this thread I would give the original
poster the benefit of the doubt.
And the sentence you mentioned describes the problem in rasc/rasi (not
considering the OPs intention) - if you criticize something, you get
ripped apart by the trolls, so the best strategy these days seems to be
to start in defense mode (and even that doesn't work anymore). :-(
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
.... And for all your bitching the race was fantastic and the tv coverage
was excellent. (I admit I did not watch the race live as I can't stand to
watch commercials after 40 years of tv viewing)
Yes, though they were mostly CRAPCAR guys handling the coverage I thought
their views were fresh and they did a very professional job. I would have
been happy if they did the whole season.
The many yellow laps at the beginning were painful but the race was a good
fight.
My only real complaint is it's too bad the fuel rig problems could not be
worked out before the start of the race.
And I do not miss the ovals. The IRL has plenty and they do ovals much
better - they give the round-round people what they want:- cars bunched up
and crashing (too bad only the last 10 laps are worth watching).
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
>
.... And for all your bitching the race was fantastic and the tv coverage
was excellent. (I admit I did not watch the race live as I can't stand to
watch commercials after 40 years of tv viewing)
Yes, though they were mostly CRAPCAR guys handling the coverage I thought
their views were fresh and they did a very professional job. I would have
been happy if they did the whole season.
The many yellow laps at the beginning were painful but the race was a good
fight.
My only real complaint is it's too bad the fuel rig problems could not be
worked out before the start of the race.
And I do not miss the ovals. The IRL has plenty and they do ovals much
better - they give the round-round people what they want:- cars bunched up
and crashing (too bad only the last 10 laps are worth watching).
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
>
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
El Gordo wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
I agree it would have been nice to have everyone signed, sealed, and
delivered in February but ultimately it really doesn't matter that much. In
the long run it's better that KK & Co. start weaning everyone off the gravy
train sooner rather than later. They got everybody on track in time and I
couldn't tell that Legge hadn't actually signed a deal by her driving.
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
Jon is good, Wally mediocre. But that other guy needs get better or get
gone. I didn't know they did NASCAR.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
The standing starts were deferred until they work out a few issues. They
can't come soon enough.
In the mean time, if they're going to use rolling starts, do it the old
fashioned way.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
Especially after the seemingly endless pre-race show.
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
That it was a timed race doesn't bother me in the least. Not knowing how
much time remained for much of the broadcast bothered me a lot.
Otherwise I see no difference in knowing a guy has to hang on for 4 more
laps as opposed to 6 minutes.
Given the schizophrenia of the last few years this is much better. It was
much worse confusing people with both a time limit and number of laps,
especially since just about any amount of yellow would put it into timed
mode.
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
Definitely some bugs to work out....At least they aren't anything
insurmountable.
A little odd that the on board starters don't seem to have been designed to
handle the hot starts. What other kind would they be used for? It's not
like hot starting problems are a big surprise with that engine.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
I thought the same thing when they said they that.
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
I beg to differ. That was indeed a real chicane in the middle of the road.
And it was totally NOT awesome.
Chicanes are never nice, but sometimes they are necessary. This one
certainly fits that description.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
I wondered that too. But later in the broadcast they seemed to have less in
house advertising and more of the regular mix. By the end of the race there
were hardly any ChampCar specific ones.
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
Tracy's "product placement" during the interviews was amateurish at best. I
mean, I don't really mind drivers getting a plug in but please don't insult
my intelligence with bad acting.
All in all a pretty good start to the season. A few bugs of course but
nothing that can't be fixed.
--
Frank....H
El Gordo wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
> - It seems like half of the driver field got filled less than a week
> before the first race!
I agree it would have been nice to have everyone signed, sealed, and
delivered in February but ultimately it really doesn't matter that much. In
the long run it's better that KK & Co. start weaning everyone off the gravy
train sooner rather than later. They got everybody on track in time and I
couldn't tell that Legge hadn't actually signed a deal by her driving.
>
> - Nascar announcers. Great. I'd rather listen to "Well well well...".
> At least Jon was still there.
Jon is good, Wally mediocre. But that other guy needs get better or get
gone. I didn't know they did NASCAR.
>
> - Staggered start?? They can barely get them to do side-by-side! What
> happened to the standing starts they were going to do this year? Better
> yet, grid with the engines off and start them with the onboard when the
> lights go green.
The standing starts were deferred until they work out a few issues. They
can't come soon enough.
In the mean time, if they're going to use rolling starts, do it the old
fashioned way.
>
> - Rahal out on the first lap. Champ Car's dream start.
>
> - Wouldn't it be nice to be able to put a couple of green laps together at
> the start before the ten people who were watching the hockey game changed
> the channel?
Especially after the seemingly endless pre-race show.
>
> - Timed races all season? Even on road courses? Are you serious?
>
That it was a timed race doesn't bother me in the least. Not knowing how
much time remained for much of the broadcast bothered me a lot.
Otherwise I see no difference in knowing a guy has to hang on for 4 more
laps as opposed to 6 minutes.
Given the schizophrenia of the last few years this is much better. It was
much worse confusing people with both a time limit and number of laps,
especially since just about any amount of yellow would put it into timed
mode.
> - No ovals. Bad move. Champ Car was unique because it had everything.
>
> - It's nice to see they have all equal equipment, and that anyone can win,
> depending on if you win the fuel-rig lottery.
>
> - I'm glad I don't have a Panoz onboard car starter in my car.
Definitely some bugs to work out....At least they aren't anything
insurmountable.
A little odd that the on board starters don't seem to have been designed to
handle the hot starts. What other kind would they be used for? It's not
like hot starting problems are a big surprise with that engine.
>
> - Dominguez back at Forsythe?? They couldn't find anybody else?
>
> - They couldn't turn off the traffic lights?? Ok, here's an idea, while
> you have all the cranes and are putting up miles of concrete and fencing,
> BAG 'EM!
>
I thought the same thing when they said they that.
> - Fake chicanes in the middle of the road are not awesome.
I beg to differ. That was indeed a real chicane in the middle of the road.
And it was totally NOT awesome.
Chicanes are never nice, but sometimes they are necessary. This one
certainly fits that description.
>
> - Half the ads seemed to be for Champ Car events or merchandise.
> Sustainable?
I wondered that too. But later in the broadcast they seemed to have less in
house advertising and more of the regular mix. By the end of the race there
were hardly any ChampCar specific ones.
>
> - Why no mention of Gale Sayers/Ray Lewis?
>
> - Assclown announcers talking over Mickelright on the radio.
>
> - Was this Monster deal with Tracy just recent? No sign of them on the
> car. Or is it like Schumacher and his Dekra or Geferkenmerkenfunchen Bank
> hat deal?
Tracy's "product placement" during the interviews was amateurish at best. I
mean, I don't really mind drivers getting a plug in but please don't insult
my intelligence with bad acting.
All in all a pretty good start to the season. A few bugs of course but
nothing that can't be fixed.
--
Frank....H
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
LOL. Is it true that the Adult Superstore was at the apex of turn 3?
lol! This is some good stuff! LOL:
* w w w .lasvegassun . com /sunbin/stories/births/2007/apr/06/566677172.html
April 06, 2007
Ron Kantowski checks out the Vegas Grand Prix course through the windshield
of a '96 Chevy S-10 pickup truck
"Hey, Sebastien Bourdais , you think passing Paul Tracy on full tanks and
cold tires is difficult? Try getting around a cabby with an attitude on
Fourth Street during rush hour behind the wheel of a 1996 Chevy S-10 that
knocks and pings.
Bourdais, the three-time reigning Champ Car series champion, and his 200-mph
racing pals will be takin' it to the downtown streets this weekend in the
inaugural Vegas Grand Prix.
But if they really want a challenge that will rotate their tires right off
the rims, they should stick around until Monday , when the temporary
12-turn, 2.44-mile circuit is reopened to the cabbies and the delivery truck
drivers and the cigar-chomping bullies in forest green Cadillacs who think
they own the road.
Forget the Indianapolis 500. If it's the ultimate test of man and machine
you seek, try getting around downtown Las Vegas at 4:15 p.m. when the
traffic lights are out of synch.
That's what I did this past Monday, a few hours before they started to close
the course to Average Joes so it could be made ready for Exceptional
Sebastiens like Bourdais - a necessary evil, which, no doubt, probably had
the cocktail waitresses who use the employee lot at the Golden Nugget
steaming like an old Offenhauser engine.
But driving the course with the concrete walls and barriers and imposing
catch fencing in place was, for lack of a better expression, pretty darn
cool.
I don't have a bumper sticker on my truck that says, "My Other Car Is a
Panoz DP01 Cosworth." So I'm afraid I will never know what a "hot" lap,
which is what these lead foots call a practice circuit made at roughly the
speed of light, feels like.
But if you want to experience a "cool" lap of the downtown Las Vegas street
circuit, move those cheeseburger wrappers and empty beer cans aside and hop
in.
Start/finish line
This is where it begins and ends. Unless, of course, you draw the ire of
Tracy, who makes his home here and drives his race car as if a battering ram
were attached to the front wing assembly. Then your race will probably end
against the wall.
The start-finish line is on Grand Central Parkway, strategically located
between a giant grandstand on the left and a giant grandstand on the right.
The one on the left is uncovered. This is where race fans will pay good
money to get a nasty sunburn. The one on the right has a massive canopy .
This is where CEOs will dine on fine meats and cheeses and try not to get
any on their tasseled loafers.
The end of the main straight is in the shadow of the World Market Center.
Literally in the shadow of the World Market Center. Of course, you'll be
able to say the same thing about Henderson before long. The World Market
Center is getting so humongous that when King Kong climbed the back side of
it the other night he was mistaken for Cheetah, the chimpanzee.
Turn 1
After speeding past the hospitality tents and souvenir trailers like bats
out of H-E-double gear shifts, the cars will dive into Turn 1, or Government
Center Corner. The entry to Turn 1 is almost wide enough to land a DC-10, so
this is where most - if not all - of the passing should take place.
Turn 2
There's a slight bend before you go under the Union Pacific railroad tracks
on Bonneville Avenue. The race organizers call this Turn 2, but it's not
much of a turn. A kink is more like it. Although, as you will read, that
probably would be a better name for Turn 3. So it's under the bridge and
left on Main.
Turn 3
Turn 3 is the nastiest corner on the circuit - not because it's all that
tricky to negotiate, but because the Adult Superstore and 24-Hour Arcade
sits smack dab at the apex.
I wonder whether this is what city and race officials had in mind when they
spoke of how the event would call attention to Las Vegas' glamorous image.
South Main Street
Or maybe it was the South Main Street short chute they had in mind. After
the bump-and-grind at bookstore corner, the cars will pass two bail bond
joints, a rooming house that used to be a jail, a Greyhound bus station, a
combination liquor store and market, two dozen news racks chock-full of
pamphlets featuring naked women and an under-repair domicile that is being
converted into a halfway home for the homeless, but, back in the day, was
known as the Victory brothel.
"You can still see the safes in the floor where the girls would drop the
money," said Kari Case, whose mother bought the place and the adjoining
liquor store and hotel about 18 months ago.
We were told that at the Victory lobby, dolls would be placed on the bar. If
the doll was upright, the lady in her room was available. But if the doll
was laid flat/prone, the room was ¦ well, occupied.
In NASCAR, I think they call this "bump drafting."
Turn 4
500...400...300...200...100. White markers with bright red numerals count
down the braking points to Turn 4, a right-hander onto Carson Avenue. The
corner isn't very remarkable, other than it sits at the entrance to the
Plaza Hotel, which once hosted a dinner show called "Natalie Needs a
Nightie," starring Bambi Jr., the former Las Vegas stripper who divorced
talk show host Montel Williams.
That trivia tidbit and 49 cents will get race fans a shrimp cocktail at the
Golden Gate across the street.
Turns 5, 6, 7 and 8
With the exception of the leasing office at Neonopolis, this U-shaped
complex of 90-degree corners behind the Golden Nugget will be the slowest
part of the circuit. It'll be a single-file procession through here, but if
you're fortunate enough to be invited up to the Nugget parking garage,
you'll be able to read the sponsorship logos on the cars. At least the ones
that have them.
Turn 9
Back onto Carson, the cars will make their way toward Fitz Corner, or Turn
9. The fifth-floor parking garage at Fitzgeralds would be another ideal
place to watch the race.
Word of caution: As I steered the S-10 onto Fourth Street, I was nearly
overcome by a foul odor that was a cross between rotten eggs and the infield
Porta Pottis at Talladega.
My advice would be to inhale the methanol fumes coming from the racing
engines and hold them in until at least the first full-course yellow.
Fourth Street
Seeing the race cars scream down Fourth toward Fremont Street will be the
neatest thing to happen down there since The Edge played acoustic guitar on
U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" music video.
What are the chances that Tracy will take a sudden right-hand turn and crash
through the empty storefronts at Neonopolis, putting it out of its misery?
Probably not good enough.
Turns 10, 11 and 12
After a sharp left onto Ogden Avenue, the cars will begin accelerating
again, zipping past the trendy Triple George Grill and Hogs and Heifers
Saloon and past at least one guy wearing a Las Vegas Choppers T-shirt taking
a long pull on a 40- ounce bottle of Miller High Life.
"I think this is as neat as hell," a race fan named Kelly from Beaumont,
Texas, said as the S-10 idled in traffic.
When the light turned green, my Chevy belched a plume of oil smoke and
sped - or at least rolled toward - the Hard Rock Hotel tunnel, which for my
lack of money will be the ultimate place to watch the race.
There is a small grandstand on top of the underpass that will afford the
well-connected a straight-on view of the field at full song before it dips
into the tunnel under the railroad tracks and back onto Grand Central
Parkway. The long, looping left-hand Turn 12 will take Bourdais - or
whatever foreign-born driver you have never heard of who might be leading -
back to the start-finish line.
By then, a waitress exposing way too much of her side pods will be pouring
the CEOs in the suites another glass of Cristal, being extra careful not to
spill any on their tassels."
"El Gordo" <gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm> wrote in message
news:evcl0l$6ov$1@aioe.org...
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse
> to waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
LOL. Is it true that the Adult Superstore was at the apex of turn 3?
lol! This is some good stuff! LOL:
* w w w .lasvegassun . com /sunbin/stories/births/2007/apr/06/566677172.html
April 06, 2007
Ron Kantowski checks out the Vegas Grand Prix course through the windshield
of a '96 Chevy S-10 pickup truck
"Hey, Sebastien Bourdais , you think passing Paul Tracy on full tanks and
cold tires is difficult? Try getting around a cabby with an attitude on
Fourth Street during rush hour behind the wheel of a 1996 Chevy S-10 that
knocks and pings.
Bourdais, the three-time reigning Champ Car series champion, and his 200-mph
racing pals will be takin' it to the downtown streets this weekend in the
inaugural Vegas Grand Prix.
But if they really want a challenge that will rotate their tires right off
the rims, they should stick around until Monday , when the temporary
12-turn, 2.44-mile circuit is reopened to the cabbies and the delivery truck
drivers and the cigar-chomping bullies in forest green Cadillacs who think
they own the road.
Forget the Indianapolis 500. If it's the ultimate test of man and machine
you seek, try getting around downtown Las Vegas at 4:15 p.m. when the
traffic lights are out of synch.
That's what I did this past Monday, a few hours before they started to close
the course to Average Joes so it could be made ready for Exceptional
Sebastiens like Bourdais - a necessary evil, which, no doubt, probably had
the cocktail waitresses who use the employee lot at the Golden Nugget
steaming like an old Offenhauser engine.
But driving the course with the concrete walls and barriers and imposing
catch fencing in place was, for lack of a better expression, pretty darn
cool.
I don't have a bumper sticker on my truck that says, "My Other Car Is a
Panoz DP01 Cosworth." So I'm afraid I will never know what a "hot" lap,
which is what these lead foots call a practice circuit made at roughly the
speed of light, feels like.
But if you want to experience a "cool" lap of the downtown Las Vegas street
circuit, move those cheeseburger wrappers and empty beer cans aside and hop
in.
Start/finish line
This is where it begins and ends. Unless, of course, you draw the ire of
Tracy, who makes his home here and drives his race car as if a battering ram
were attached to the front wing assembly. Then your race will probably end
against the wall.
The start-finish line is on Grand Central Parkway, strategically located
between a giant grandstand on the left and a giant grandstand on the right.
The one on the left is uncovered. This is where race fans will pay good
money to get a nasty sunburn. The one on the right has a massive canopy .
This is where CEOs will dine on fine meats and cheeses and try not to get
any on their tasseled loafers.
The end of the main straight is in the shadow of the World Market Center.
Literally in the shadow of the World Market Center. Of course, you'll be
able to say the same thing about Henderson before long. The World Market
Center is getting so humongous that when King Kong climbed the back side of
it the other night he was mistaken for Cheetah, the chimpanzee.
Turn 1
After speeding past the hospitality tents and souvenir trailers like bats
out of H-E-double gear shifts, the cars will dive into Turn 1, or Government
Center Corner. The entry to Turn 1 is almost wide enough to land a DC-10, so
this is where most - if not all - of the passing should take place.
Turn 2
There's a slight bend before you go under the Union Pacific railroad tracks
on Bonneville Avenue. The race organizers call this Turn 2, but it's not
much of a turn. A kink is more like it. Although, as you will read, that
probably would be a better name for Turn 3. So it's under the bridge and
left on Main.
Turn 3
Turn 3 is the nastiest corner on the circuit - not because it's all that
tricky to negotiate, but because the Adult Superstore and 24-Hour Arcade
sits smack dab at the apex.
I wonder whether this is what city and race officials had in mind when they
spoke of how the event would call attention to Las Vegas' glamorous image.
South Main Street
Or maybe it was the South Main Street short chute they had in mind. After
the bump-and-grind at bookstore corner, the cars will pass two bail bond
joints, a rooming house that used to be a jail, a Greyhound bus station, a
combination liquor store and market, two dozen news racks chock-full of
pamphlets featuring naked women and an under-repair domicile that is being
converted into a halfway home for the homeless, but, back in the day, was
known as the Victory brothel.
"You can still see the safes in the floor where the girls would drop the
money," said Kari Case, whose mother bought the place and the adjoining
liquor store and hotel about 18 months ago.
We were told that at the Victory lobby, dolls would be placed on the bar. If
the doll was upright, the lady in her room was available. But if the doll
was laid flat/prone, the room was ¦ well, occupied.
In NASCAR, I think they call this "bump drafting."
Turn 4
500...400...300...200...100. White markers with bright red numerals count
down the braking points to Turn 4, a right-hander onto Carson Avenue. The
corner isn't very remarkable, other than it sits at the entrance to the
Plaza Hotel, which once hosted a dinner show called "Natalie Needs a
Nightie," starring Bambi Jr., the former Las Vegas stripper who divorced
talk show host Montel Williams.
That trivia tidbit and 49 cents will get race fans a shrimp cocktail at the
Golden Gate across the street.
Turns 5, 6, 7 and 8
With the exception of the leasing office at Neonopolis, this U-shaped
complex of 90-degree corners behind the Golden Nugget will be the slowest
part of the circuit. It'll be a single-file procession through here, but if
you're fortunate enough to be invited up to the Nugget parking garage,
you'll be able to read the sponsorship logos on the cars. At least the ones
that have them.
Turn 9
Back onto Carson, the cars will make their way toward Fitz Corner, or Turn
9. The fifth-floor parking garage at Fitzgeralds would be another ideal
place to watch the race.
Word of caution: As I steered the S-10 onto Fourth Street, I was nearly
overcome by a foul odor that was a cross between rotten eggs and the infield
Porta Pottis at Talladega.
My advice would be to inhale the methanol fumes coming from the racing
engines and hold them in until at least the first full-course yellow.
Fourth Street
Seeing the race cars scream down Fourth toward Fremont Street will be the
neatest thing to happen down there since The Edge played acoustic guitar on
U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" music video.
What are the chances that Tracy will take a sudden right-hand turn and crash
through the empty storefronts at Neonopolis, putting it out of its misery?
Probably not good enough.
Turns 10, 11 and 12
After a sharp left onto Ogden Avenue, the cars will begin accelerating
again, zipping past the trendy Triple George Grill and Hogs and Heifers
Saloon and past at least one guy wearing a Las Vegas Choppers T-shirt taking
a long pull on a 40- ounce bottle of Miller High Life.
"I think this is as neat as hell," a race fan named Kelly from Beaumont,
Texas, said as the S-10 idled in traffic.
When the light turned green, my Chevy belched a plume of oil smoke and
sped - or at least rolled toward - the Hard Rock Hotel tunnel, which for my
lack of money will be the ultimate place to watch the race.
There is a small grandstand on top of the underpass that will afford the
well-connected a straight-on view of the field at full song before it dips
into the tunnel under the railroad tracks and back onto Grand Central
Parkway. The long, looping left-hand Turn 12 will take Bourdais - or
whatever foreign-born driver you have never heard of who might be leading -
back to the start-finish line.
By then, a waitress exposing way too much of her side pods will be pouring
the CEOs in the suites another glass of Cristal, being extra careful not to
spill any on their tassels."
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
El Gordo gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm said:
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
> waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
Now that Tony's brought his hammer, the IRL looks to be the new drivers world
championship with a billion tickets sold to the indy 500.
El Gordo gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm said:
> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
> waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
> worried...
>
Now that Tony's brought his hammer, the IRL looks to be the new drivers world
championship with a billion tickets sold to the indy 500.
Re: Nightmare on Fremont Street
simplethinker@irl.org wrote:
> El Gordo gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm said:
>> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
>> waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
>> worried...
>>
> Now that Tony's brought his hammer, the IRL looks to be the new drivers world
> championship with a billion tickets sold to the indy 500.
>
And Von Forche pays off his bets. RickyBobby passes his GED. Carey
Akin wakes from a 24-year coma.
It could happen!!
simplethinker@irl.org wrote:
> El Gordo gord@smithottawa-make-obvious-changes.calm said:
>> Don't get me wrong, I've been a CART fan since the early 90's and refuse to
>> waste my time watching an EARL race, but I'm really starting to get
>> worried...
>>
> Now that Tony's brought his hammer, the IRL looks to be the new drivers world
> championship with a billion tickets sold to the indy 500.
>
And Von Forche pays off his bets. RickyBobby passes his GED. Carey
Akin wakes from a 24-year coma.
It could happen!!
