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Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Reply from: forty
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 15:32
Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

http :// www .autosport,com /news/report.php/id/55984

Three times Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais will test for Scuderia
Toro Rosso at Jerez in Spain this week.

The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from
Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race
seat at the Italian outfit next year.

Although the team have said several times that they expect both
Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season,
there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.

Significantly, Toro Rosso did not lodge either of their drivers' names
with their FIA entry to next year's Formula One world championship.

Bourdais is currently contracted to Newman-Haas for next season, but
sources have revealed that he has an option in his deal that would allow
him to switch to F1 if he was offered a race seat.

A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a
precursor to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.

"For now there are no discussions about driving next year," the
spokeswoman told autosport,com . "It is just a test."

The test comes as a major surprise, especially as the Frenchman said
just last month that he thought his F1 hopes were finished after top
teams continued to ignore his success in the Unites States.

"I think it's over," Bourdais told sports daily L'Equipe. "It's
frustrating but there are loads of talented drivers who never went to
F1...one can always say it's unfair but that's F1, and it's never been
fair."

He told L'Equipe that several teams had been interested in taking him on
as a test driver but with no guarantees of an eventual race seat.

"I was supposed to give up everything I had spent four years building up
- for a perhaps," said Bourdais.

In July he said: "I don't think people in the paddock recognize my
achievements. I won in F3000, I've won two titles since coming [to the
United States], and this year is looking pretty good. I'm not sure what
more I have to do. I can't even get a test.

"Do people expect me to go back to Europe and prove myself again in GP2?
That would be a massive step back - if only in terms of earnings."



--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Reply from: Private Cow of Funk
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 15:43
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Zanardi didn't fair too well.

Montoya was an improvement, winning races.

Bourdais might be a step up.

He'll be 28 next Feb.

"forty" <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote in message
news:4u58g8F1693ncU1@mid.individual,net ...
> http :// www .autosport,com /news/report.php/id/55984
>
> Three times Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais will test for Scuderia
> Toro Rosso at Jerez in Spain this week.
>
> The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from
> Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race seat
> at the Italian outfit next year.
>
> Although the team have said several times that they expect both Vitantonio
> Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season, there has
> not yet been any confirmation about their futures.
>
> Significantly, Toro Rosso did not lodge either of their drivers' names
> with their FIA entry to next year's Formula One world championship.
>
> Bourdais is currently contracted to Newman-Haas for next season, but
> sources have revealed that he has an option in his deal that would allow
> him to switch to F1 if he was offered a race seat.
>
> A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a precursor
> to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.
>
> "For now there are no discussions about driving next year," the
> spokeswoman told autosport,com . "It is just a test."
>
> The test comes as a major surprise, especially as the Frenchman said just
> last month that he thought his F1 hopes were finished after top teams
> continued to ignore his success in the Unites States.
>
> "I think it's over," Bourdais told sports daily L'Equipe. "It's
> frustrating but there are loads of talented drivers who never went to
> F1...one can always say it's unfair but that's F1, and it's never been
> fair."
>
> He told L'Equipe that several teams had been interested in taking him on
> as a test driver but with no guarantees of an eventual race seat.
>
> "I was supposed to give up everything I had spent four years building up -
> for a perhaps," said Bourdais.
>
> In July he said: "I don't think people in the paddock recognize my
> achievements. I won in F3000, I've won two titles since coming [to the
> United States], and this year is looking pretty good. I'm not sure what
> more I have to do. I can't even get a test.
>
> "Do people expect me to go back to Europe and prove myself again in GP2?
> That would be a massive step back - if only in terms of earnings."
>
>
>
> --
> forty
>
> “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway



Reply from: Mark B
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:05
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso


"Private Cow of Funk" <private@cowoffunk.nl> wrote in message
news:457d6e85$0$626$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp,net .uk...
> Zanardi didn't fair too well.
>
> Montoya was an improvement, winning races.
>
> Bourdais might be a step up.
>
> He'll be 28 next Feb.


JV also do alright but Bourdais will have no chance at all to win if he
winds up with Toro Rosso. It also might be a pay cut. Now he still might
do it because if he always wanted to drive F1. Its pretty much now or not
likely ever.



Reply from: Private Cow of Funk
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:19
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

CART has percievably reduced in standard since Jacques' days. Winning the
Indy 500 and the CART championship deserved a top Williams seat back in
1995.

Winning the same title 3 times 11 years later and all you earn is a
mid-to-back field team test.

"Mark B" <none@nospam,com > wrote in message
news:xsefh.26678$qO4.2196@newssvr13.news.prodigy,net ...
>
> "Private Cow of Funk" <private@cowoffunk.nl> wrote in message
> news:457d6e85$0$626$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp,net .uk...
>> Zanardi didn't fair too well.
>>
>> Montoya was an improvement, winning races.
>>
>> Bourdais might be a step up.
>>
>> He'll be 28 next Feb.
>
>
> JV also do alright but Bourdais will have no chance at all to win if he
> winds up with Toro Rosso. It also might be a pay cut. Now he still might
> do it because if he always wanted to drive F1. Its pretty much now or not
> likely ever.
>



Reply from: Cal Vanize
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 17:30
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso


Dan Well-done (one of the IRL American heros of the short tracks) got
the same deal. Just a shot at a test driver. Speaks volumes about the
damage done by TG and the IRL.


Private Cow of Funk wrote:
> CART has percievably reduced in standard since Jacques' days. Winning the
> Indy 500 and the CART championship deserved a top Williams seat back in
> 1995.
>
> Winning the same title 3 times 11 years later and all you earn is a
> mid-to-back field team test.
>
> "Mark B" <none@nospam,com > wrote in message
> news:xsefh.26678$qO4.2196@newssvr13.news.prodigy,net ...
>
>>"Private Cow of Funk" <private@cowoffunk.nl> wrote in message
>>news:457d6e85$0$626$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp,net .uk...
>>
>>>Zanardi didn't fair too well.
>>>
>>>Montoya was an improvement, winning races.
>>>
>>>Bourdais might be a step up.
>>>
>>>He'll be 28 next Feb.
>>
>>
>>JV also do alright but Bourdais will have no chance at all to win if he
>>winds up with Toro Rosso. It also might be a pay cut. Now he still might
>>do it because if he always wanted to drive F1. Its pretty much now or not
>>likely ever.
>>
>
>
>


Reply from: forty
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:19
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Mark B wrote:
> "Private Cow of Funk" <private@cowoffunk.nl> wrote in message
> news:457d6e85$0$626$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp,net .uk...
>> Zanardi didn't fair too well.
>>
>> Montoya was an improvement, winning races.
>>
>> Bourdais might be a step up.
>>
>> He'll be 28 next Feb.
>
>
> JV also do alright but Bourdais will have no chance at all to win if he
> winds up with Toro Rosso. It also might be a pay cut. Now he still might
> do it because if he always wanted to drive F1. Its pretty much now or not
> likely ever.
>
>

Getting into the circus at least gets him a foot in the door to audition
for a front-running team later on. Or, maybe a STR drive could be his
"testing season" ahead of a RBR drive?

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Reply from: just bob
Date: 12 Dec 2006, 08:12
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso


"Private Cow of Funk" <private@cowoffunk.nl> wrote in message
news:457d6e85$0$626$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp,net .uk...
> Zanardi didn't fair too well.
>
> Montoya was an improvement, winning races.

Montoya kicked ass even with, at times, a crap car. He won some great races.



Reply from: Pete Fenelon
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:41
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

In rec.autos.sport.f1 forty <cforteNO@spamgmail,com > wrote:
>
> The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from
> Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race
> seat at the Italian outfit next year.
>

Jesus. Why bother? Kermit's far better than STR. He'd be better sticking
around in Champcar until it merges with IRL, and proving beyond doubt
that he's the best guy racing in single seaters on that side of the pond.


> Although the team have said several times that they expect both
> Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season,
> there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.

Scott Speed had one of the most unobtrusive debut seasons ever - i.e. I
forgot he was there most of the time.

> A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a
> precursor to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.

I can only assume that they're testing him with a view to an '08 seat at
Red Bull when DC retires. That would be a *reasonable* level for him to
return at.

pete
--
pete@fenelon,com "he just stuck to buying beer and pointing at other stuff"

Reply from: forty
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:44
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Pete Fenelon wrote:

>> A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a
>> precursor to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.
>
> I can only assume that they're testing him with a view to an '08 seat at
> Red Bull when DC retires. That would be a *reasonable* level for him to
> return at.

Perhaps a year with STR could be an evaluation for a 2008 RBR seat?

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Reply from: Pete Fenelon
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 17:50
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

In rec.autos.sport.f1 forty <cforteNO@spamgmail,com > wrote:
>> I can only assume that they're testing him with a view to an '08 seat at
>> Red Bull when DC retires. That would be a *reasonable* level for him to
>> return at.
>
> Perhaps a year with STR could be an evaluation for a 2008 RBR seat?
>

It's a long time in purgatory and if he starts to show any form I'd
expect the bigger teams to be circling. STR's partner RBR may well
need two drivers in the nearish future (DC isn't going to be around
forever and Webber must be hitting make-or-break pretty soon), but if
Kermit's any good I'd expect Toyota to be looking as neither of their
pair is impressive; elsewhere Fissi and Barrichello (a very mediocre
season!) can't be expected to be around forever.

As well as the crop of kids coming up through the GP2 ranks I reckon
there are opportunities for a mature, experienced driver in '08 and
Bourdais would be better holding out for them rather than taking a drive
in a backmarker team like STR. It's not going to turn round in a season,
however serious Mateschitz is about turning it into an operation on a
par with RBR (same goes for Honda and Super Aguri!)

pete
--
pete@fenelon,com "he just stuck to buying beer and pointing at other stuff"

Reply from: forty
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 19:27
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Pete Fenelon wrote:
> In rec.autos.sport.f1 forty <cforteNO@spamgmail,com > wrote:
>>> I can only assume that they're testing him with a view to an '08 seat at
>>> Red Bull when DC retires. That would be a *reasonable* level for him to
>>> return at.
>> Perhaps a year with STR could be an evaluation for a 2008 RBR seat?
>>
>
> It's a long time in purgatory and if he starts to show any form I'd
> expect the bigger teams to be circling. STR's partner RBR may well
> need two drivers in the nearish future (DC isn't going to be around
> forever and Webber must be hitting make-or-break pretty soon), but if
> Kermit's any good I'd expect Toyota to be looking as neither of their
> pair is impressive; elsewhere Fissi and Barrichello (a very mediocre
> season!) can't be expected to be around forever.
<snip>

Oh, yeah - Toyota. I forgot about them (not that it is hard to ignore
them). Maybe they'll jump at the chance to replace some of the dead
weight in their driver lineup.

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Reply from: Your Pal... Sal
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 16:57
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

> Scott Speed had one of the most unobtrusive debut seasons ever - i.e. I
> forgot he was there most of the time.
> pete


It looks as though the hand writing's
on the wall for Scott Speed!

s/s



Reply from: forty
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 17:00
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

Your Pal... Sal wrote:
>> Scott Speed had one of the most unobtrusive debut seasons ever - i.e. I
>> forgot he was there most of the time.
>> pete
>
>
> It looks as though the hand writing's
> on the wall for Scott Speed!
>
> s/s
>
>
Such a shame, too. He had a good prospect of possibly becoming the next
Eddie Cheever...

--
forty

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway

Reply from: Ian Dalziel
Date: 11 Dec 2006, 18:29
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:41:33 +0000, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon,com >
wrote:

>In rec.autos.sport.f1 forty <cforteNO@spamgmail,com > wrote:
>>
>> The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from
>> Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race
>> seat at the Italian outfit next year.
>>
>
>Jesus. Why bother? Kermit's far better than STR.

Even if it's the Newey chassis with a Ferrari back end?

>He'd be better sticking
>around in Champcar until it merges with IRL, and proving beyond doubt
>that he's the best guy racing in single seaters on that side of the pond.
>
>
>> Although the team have said several times that they expect both
>> Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season,
>> there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.
>
>Scott Speed had one of the most unobtrusive debut seasons ever - i.e. I
>forgot he was there most of the time.
>

Easily done - provided you had earplugs.
:-)

Tonio impressed a few times, though, I thought?


--

Ian D

Reply from: just bob
Date: 12 Dec 2006, 08:15
Re: Bourdais to test with Scuderia Toro Rosso


"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel@lineone,net > wrote in message
news:385rn2d93t21e1ak5ruaub477agukg6l0q@4ax,com ...
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:41:33 +0000, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon,com >
> wrote:
>
>>In rec.autos.sport.f1 forty <cforteNO@spamgmail,com > wrote:
>>>
>>> The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from
>>> Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race
>>> seat at the Italian outfit next year.
>>>
>>
>>Jesus. Why bother? Kermit's far better than STR.
>
> Even if it's the Newey chassis with a Ferrari back end?
>
>>He'd be better sticking
>>around in Champcar until it merges with IRL, and proving beyond doubt
>>that he's the best guy racing in single seaters on that side of the pond.
>>
>>
>>> Although the team have said several times that they expect both
>>> Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season,
>>> there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.
>>
>>Scott Speed had one of the most unobtrusive debut seasons ever - i.e. I
>>forgot he was there most of the time.
>>
>
> Easily done - provided you had earplugs.
> :-)
>
> Tonio impressed a few times, though, I thought?

Tonio was only slightly better than Speed, which I think says a lot for
Speed and bad for Tonio.




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