St. Pete Times article

St. Pete Times article

http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml

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> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml

Michael Andretti: "I dunno"

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> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
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> Michael Andretti: "I dunno"

Tony George: "Mnnehhhmmmm....urgh"

Re: St. Pete Times article

Dave-E wrote:
> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
>
Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'

--
forty

“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”

Re: St. Pete Times article

On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> Dave-E wrote:
> > http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
>
> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>
> --
> forty
>
> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."

That seems to be their modus operandi.


Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
big cocksuck now, innit?

Re: St. Pete Times article

Dave-E wrote:
> On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
>> Dave-E wrote:
>>> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
>> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>>
>> --
>> forty
>>
>> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."
>
> That seems to be their modus operandi.
>
>
> Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
> guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
> big cocksuck now, innit?
>

Well, reaching out for that vision plunged American open wheel racing
into pitiful obscurity. Early-90's CART had been bigger than NASCAR (at
the time), so I guess it makes sense to try to go with what worked and
move away from the failed vision.

--
forty

“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”

Re: St. Pete Times article

On Mar 31, 5:25 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> Dave-E wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> >> Dave-E wrote:
> >>> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
> >> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>
> >> --
> >> forty
>
> >> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."
>
> > That seems to be their modus operandi.
>
> > Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
> > guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
> > big cocksuck now, innit?
>
> Well, reaching out for that vision plunged American open wheel racing
> into pitiful obscurity. Early-90's CART had been bigger than NASCAR (at
> the time), so I guess it makes sense to try to go with what worked and
> move away from the failed vision.
>
> --
> forty
>
> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."

Of course it makes sense...CART early/mid 90's was growing...NASCAR
probably would've taken over anyway, but OWR could have gone along for
the ride. Well attended races, solid TV package, sponsors, drivers
with personality, etc...

All of this nonsense (the split) has been unwarranted and unnecessary.
Ten years later, we've gone 30 years backwards.


Pardon my fronch, but the saying "It only takes one asshole to fuck it
up for everyone else" rings true here.

Re: St. Pete Times article

forty wrote:
> Dave-E wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
>>> Dave-E wrote:
>>>> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
>>> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>>>
>>> --
>>> forty
>>>
>>> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."
>>
>> That seems to be their modus operandi.
>>
>>
>> Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
>> guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
>> big cocksuck now, innit?
>>
>
> Well, reaching out for that vision plunged American open wheel racing
> into pitiful obscurity. Early-90's CART had been bigger than NASCAR (at
> the time), so I guess it makes sense to try to go with what worked and
> move away from the failed vision.
>

Hold on there. The TG vision worked completely. TG's vision for
controlling open wheel racing and excluding those that didn't pay homage
to him has worked. He successfully prevented competing racing bodies
from running at Indy with a chance to win.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough open wheel racing left for hiim to
gloat over.

Re: St. Pete Times article

On Mar 31, 5:48 pm, Cessna 310 <jolene...@sbc,com > wrote:
> forty wrote:
> > Dave-E wrote:
> >> On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> >>> Dave-E wrote:
> >>>> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
> >>> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>
> >>> --
> >>> forty
>
> >>> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."
>
> >> That seems to be their modus operandi.
>
> >> Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
> >> guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
> >> big cocksuck now, innit?
>
> > Well, reaching out for that vision plunged American open wheel racing
> > into pitiful obscurity. Early-90's CART had been bigger than NASCAR (at
> > the time), so I guess it makes sense to try to go with what worked and
> > move away from the failed vision.
>
> Hold on there. The TG vision worked completely. TG's vision for
> controlling open wheel racing and excluding those that didn't pay homage
> to him has worked. He successfully prevented competing racing bodies
> from running at Indy with a chance to win.
>
> Unfortunately, there isn't enough open wheel racing left for him to
> gloat over.

He strangled the goose that laid the golden egg....

Re: St. Pete Times article

Dave-E wrote:
> On Mar 31, 5:12 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
>> Dave-E wrote:
>>> http :// www .sptimes,com /2007/03/30/Sports/Shining from shadows.shtml
>> Mmmm Hmmm - the IRL's best shot at success: morphing into 'CART Lite'
>>
>> --
>> forty
>>
>> "To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason."
>
> That seems to be their modus operandi.
>
>
> Interesting. So all that stuff about American drivers, short track
> guys, ovals, level playing field, etc, etc etc....was basically one
> big cocksuck now, innit?
>

The IRL is running on a street course. Two of the top ten drivers from
the U.S. One of them may actually have short track experience.

There was another principle that needs to be covered: Preserving the
traditions of the Indy 500. The "Month of May" is now a couple of days;
bump day isn't; 33 is just a number, the race winner is declared
regardless of where he may have finished.