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2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
race I have the
2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
the season opener for ChampCar.
Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
Tracy, Vasser,
Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
Matta, Blundell,
Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
Andretti, Montoya,
Kurosawa, Castroneves.
Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
sponsorship.
Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
Pioneer/MCI,
Miller Lite, and others.
After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
with a lot of drivers.
Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
ChampCar neglected and Americans?
We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
still do. But not one or two American rookies?
You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
in the line up.
Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
was good.
I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
race I have the
2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
the season opener for ChampCar.
Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
Tracy, Vasser,
Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
Matta, Blundell,
Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
Andretti, Montoya,
Kurosawa, Castroneves.
Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
sponsorship.
Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
Pioneer/MCI,
Miller Lite, and others.
After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
with a lot of drivers.
Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
ChampCar neglected and Americans?
We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
still do. But not one or two American rookies?
You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
in the line up.
Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
was good.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Von Fourche wrote:
> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
> race I have the
> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> Tracy, Vasser,
> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
> Matta, Blundell,
> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> Andretti, Montoya,
> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> sponsorship.
>
> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> Pioneer/MCI,
> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
> with a lot of drivers.
>
> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
> in the line up.
>
> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
>
> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> was good.
>
>
Yep, you're absolutely right. The entire failing of open wheel can be
directly placed on the shoulders of Champ Car and that specific race.
Von Fourche wrote:
> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
> race I have the
> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> Tracy, Vasser,
> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
> Matta, Blundell,
> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> Andretti, Montoya,
> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> sponsorship.
>
> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> Pioneer/MCI,
> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
> with a lot of drivers.
>
> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
> in the line up.
>
> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
>
> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> was good.
>
>
Yep, you're absolutely right. The entire failing of open wheel can be
directly placed on the shoulders of Champ Car and that specific race.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
> race I have the
> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> Tracy, Vasser,
> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
> Matta, Blundell,
> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> Andretti, Montoya,
> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> sponsorship.
>
> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> Pioneer/MCI,
> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
> with a lot of drivers.
>
> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
> in the line up.
>
> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
>
> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> was good.
F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the F1
> race I have the
> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> Tracy, Vasser,
> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti, da
> Matta, Blundell,
> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> Andretti, Montoya,
> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked like
> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the championship.
> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> sponsorship.
>
> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> Pioneer/MCI,
> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race interviews
> with a lot of drivers.
>
> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and Jimmy
> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers and
> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The season
> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have been
> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should have
> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to last
> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns in
> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC and
> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> You know those families that look good on the outside but have horrible
> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more Americans
> in the line up.
>
> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost every
> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored to
> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would anybody
> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back then?
>
> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then. All
> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then. And
> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late to
> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three jewels
> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted every
> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with good
> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have to
> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten the
> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> was good.
F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
"Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
news:1175663619.776155.139480@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
> On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the
>> F1
>> race I have the
>> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
>> the season opener for ChampCar.
>>
>> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
>> Tracy, Vasser,
>> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti,
>> da
>> Matta, Blundell,
>> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
>> Andretti, Montoya,
>> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>>
>> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
>> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked
>> like
>> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
>> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>>
>> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
>> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>>
>> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the
>> championship.
>> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
>> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
>> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
>> sponsorship.
>>
>> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
>> Pioneer/MCI,
>> Miller Lite, and others.
>>
>> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race
>> interviews
>> with a lot of drivers.
>>
>> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
>> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and
>> Jimmy
>> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers
>> and
>> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The
>> season
>> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
>> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
>> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have
>> been
>> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should
>> have
>> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to
>> last
>> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns
>> in
>> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>>
>> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC
>> and
>> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
>> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
>> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
>> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>>
>> You know those families that look good on the outside but have
>> horrible
>> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
>> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
>> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
>> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more
>> Americans
>> in the line up.
>>
>> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
>> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost
>> every
>> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
>> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored
>> to
>> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would
>> anybody
>> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back
>> then?
>>
>> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
>> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then.
>> All
>> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
>> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then.
>> And
>> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late
>> to
>> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>>
>> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
>> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
>> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three
>> jewels
>> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
>> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted
>> every
>> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with
>> good
>> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have
>> to
>> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
>> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>>
>> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
>> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten
>> the
>> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
>> was good.
>
> F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
"Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
news:1175663619.776155.139480@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
> On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the
>> F1
>> race I have the
>> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
>> the season opener for ChampCar.
>>
>> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
>> Tracy, Vasser,
>> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti,
>> da
>> Matta, Blundell,
>> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
>> Andretti, Montoya,
>> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>>
>> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
>> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked
>> like
>> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
>> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>>
>> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
>> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>>
>> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the
>> championship.
>> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
>> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
>> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
>> sponsorship.
>>
>> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
>> Pioneer/MCI,
>> Miller Lite, and others.
>>
>> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race
>> interviews
>> with a lot of drivers.
>>
>> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
>> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and
>> Jimmy
>> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers
>> and
>> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The
>> season
>> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
>> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
>> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have
>> been
>> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should
>> have
>> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to
>> last
>> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns
>> in
>> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>>
>> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC
>> and
>> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
>> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
>> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
>> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>>
>> You know those families that look good on the outside but have
>> horrible
>> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
>> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
>> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
>> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more
>> Americans
>> in the line up.
>>
>> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
>> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost
>> every
>> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
>> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored
>> to
>> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would
>> anybody
>> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back
>> then?
>>
>> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
>> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then.
>> All
>> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
>> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then.
>> And
>> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late
>> to
>> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>>
>> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
>> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
>> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three
>> jewels
>> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
>> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted
>> every
>> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with
>> good
>> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have
>> to
>> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
>> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>>
>> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
>> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten
>> the
>> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
>> was good.
>
> F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Von Fourche wrote:
<snip>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>
>
Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
Marco.
--
forty
“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”
Von Fourche wrote:
<snip>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>
>
Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
Marco.
--
forty
“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:24:46 -0400, forty <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> Von Fourche wrote:
><snip>
>> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
>> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
>> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
>> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
>> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
>> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
>> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
>> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
>> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>>
>>
>
> Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
> Marco.
Go Sarah!
Bob
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:24:46 -0400, forty <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
> Von Fourche wrote:
><snip>
>> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
>> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
>> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
>> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
>> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
>> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
>> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
>> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
>> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>>
>>
>
> Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
> Marco.
Go Sarah!
Bob
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Robert Lorenzini wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:24:46 -0400, forty <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
>> Von Fourche wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
>>> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
>>> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
>>> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
>>> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
>>> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
>>> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
>>> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
>>> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>>>
>>>
>> Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
>> Marco.
>
> Go Sarah!
And Special Ed and AJ Foyt Fore. Danica will be competitive when? Sam
Hornish will move to full-time MASHCAR when?
Robert Lorenzini wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:24:46 -0400, forty <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote:
>> Von Fourche wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
>>> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
>>> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
>>> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
>>> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
>>> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
>>> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
>>> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
>>> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>>>
>>>
>> Then watch the IRL and ignore all of the front runners except for Sam &
>> Marco.
>
> Go Sarah!
And Special Ed and AJ Foyt Fore. Danica will be competitive when? Sam
Hornish will move to full-time MASHCAR when?
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Von Fourche wrote:
>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>
>
Who do you suggest? Who's qualified? Who can bring in the sponsor $$?
Von Fourche wrote:
>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
>
>
Who do you suggest? Who's qualified? Who can bring in the sponsor $$?
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
On Apr 4, 1:47 am, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1175663619.776155.139480@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> >> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the
> >> F1
> >> race I have the
> >> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> >> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> >> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> >> Tracy, Vasser,
> >> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> >> da
> >> Matta, Blundell,
> >> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> >> Andretti, Montoya,
> >> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> >> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> >> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked
> >> like
> >> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> >> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> >> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> >> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> >> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the
> >> championship.
> >> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> >> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> >> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> >> sponsorship.
>
> >> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> >> Pioneer/MCI,
> >> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> >> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race
> >> interviews
> >> with a lot of drivers.
>
> >> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> >> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and
> >> Jimmy
> >> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers
> >> and
> >> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The
> >> season
> >> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> >> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> >> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have
> >> been
> >> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should
> >> have
> >> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to
> >> last
> >> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns
> >> in
> >> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> >> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC
> >> and
> >> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> >> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> >> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> >> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> >> You know those families that look good on the outside but have
> >> horrible
> >> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> >> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> >> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> >> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more
> >> Americans
> >> in the line up.
>
> >> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> >> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost
> >> every
> >> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> >> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored
> >> to
> >> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would
> >> anybody
> >> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back
> >> then?
>
> >> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> >> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then.
> >> All
> >> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> >> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then.
> >> And
> >> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late
> >> to
> >> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> >> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> >> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> >> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three
> >> jewels
> >> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> >> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted
> >> every
> >> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with
> >> good
> >> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have
> >> to
> >> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> >> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> >> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> >> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten
> >> the
> >> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> >> was good.
>
> > F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
>
> > You have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> > If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
Well what's wrong with getting talent? Fact is team owners have 2
agendas. First is to make money. Without that, nothing else matters
in most cases. That means sponsors cause the purses sure won't do it,
nor do they even contribute a significant portion of the income these
days. Why should Americans get a break over anyone else? Racing is
all about competition. Racing doesn't need affirmative action to fill
the seats. In fact its just the opposite. Everyone regardless of
gender, national orgin or color should be and as far as I know is
welcome to compete in any series. They have the right to try.
That's all anyone should get after that its up to the individual. Now
part of competing is being able to do things outside the race car
these days. Public speaking talent is nearly as important for most
teams as driving talent.
Give you a hint as to why Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton. It
has nothing to do about where he is from. His sponsorships are
already committed so Ron doesn't have to worry about that. He is
promoting him because he thinks he can win. Nothing more. Nothing
less. Winning makes making money much much easier. Its hard to make
money with a back marker. Frank Williams has put a lot of people in
his cars at one time or another. One I can think up happened to be a
French Canadian that came from Champ Car that ended up winning a world
driving championship for him. Winning the last real Indy 500 didn't
hurt, but do you really believe Frank had any concern at all about
where he happened to be born?
Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
Right now he has 100% of nothing
On Apr 4, 1:47 am, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol,com > wrote in message
>
> news:1175663619.776155.139480@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups,com ...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:27 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> >> I have a tape of the 2000 Australian F1 race. On the tape after the
> >> F1
> >> race I have the
> >> 2000 ChampCar Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami Presented by Toyota. This was
> >> the season opener for ChampCar.
>
> >> Wow, what a broadcast and line up of driver talent: Papis, Moreno,
> >> Tracy, Vasser,
> >> Carpentier, de Ferran, Fittipaldi, Nakano, Tagliiani, Kanaan, Franchitti,
> >> da
> >> Matta, Blundell,
> >> Jourdain, Fontana, Gugelmin, Garcia, Brack, Servia, Salles, Fernandez,
> >> Andretti, Montoya,
> >> Kurosawa, Castroneves.
>
> >> Twenty five drivers. There wasn't much of a crowd but the pit lane
> >> looked busy and full of people behind the pit wall. This race looked
> >> like
> >> an event. Also a great broadcast crew. There were even cool commercials
> >> featuring Cristiano da Matta for Toyota.
>
> >> I remember watching this race live on TV. I remember taping it on a
> >> VCR. Back then I liked ChampCar and disliked the IRL.
>
> >> The announcing crew talks about who will challenge for the
> >> championship.
> >> They start off with Michael Andretti. They said lots of people where
> >> picking him to win the Championship. They mentioned some others to
> >> challenge. Michael looked good in that big black car with K-Mart
> >> sponsorship.
>
> >> Oh, and the sponsorship: K-Mart, Marlboro, Shell, Nextel, Motorola,
> >> Pioneer/MCI,
> >> Miller Lite, and others.
>
> >> After the race ends they take a ton of time doing post race
> >> interviews
> >> with a lot of drivers.
>
> >> Watching the race again a few nights ago I realized something - There
> >> were two strong American drivers in the line up - Michael Andretti and
> >> Jimmy
> >> Vasser. But where was the young American talent? Twenty five drivers
> >> and
> >> only two Americans? Ok, that would be fine. The race was fine. The
> >> season
> >> was fine. But in future seasons who in the world replaced Andretti and
> >> Vasser? Who would replace them? And that's the problem right there -
> >> Americans were on the way out all the way back then. There should have
> >> been
> >> two or three more young rookie Americans in that field. There should
> >> have
> >> been some American Up and Comers. Was Andretti and Vasser suppose to
> >> last
> >> forever? Were they suppose to have remained forever young? What clowns
> >> in
> >> ChampCar neglected and Americans?
>
> >> We are talking about a series back then that had many races on ABC
> >> and
> >> ESPN and one or two on ESPN2. ABC - American Broadcasting Company.
> >> American! Races on Sunday! And only two freaking Americans in the whole
> >> line up? Ok, it was fine with me back then. I loved all the drivers. I
> >> still do. But not one or two American rookies?
>
> >> You know those families that look good on the outside but have
> >> horrible
> >> secrets in their closet? That was ChampCar back then. I was fooled back
> >> then. I loved the racing back then. I wasn't concerned with the future
> >> back then. But some one at ChampCar should have been concerned about the
> >> future. They should have tried really hard to get one or two more
> >> Americans
> >> in the line up.
>
> >> Would anybody really have missed Mark Blundell? Would anybody have
> >> missed Gualter Salles? Hey, I love Roberto Moreno. I remember almost
> >> every
> >> race Moreno would have a smile on his face at the end of the race during
> >> interviews. He had a look on his face that he was just happy and honored
> >> to
> >> be racing. I always wanted to meet Moreno. I still do. But would
> >> anybody
> >> really have missed him if he was replaced with a young American back
> >> then?
>
> >> If only that driver line up could have been frozen in time. If only
> >> that driver line up could have raced in every ChampCar race since then.
> >> All
> >> would be fine. But times change. Drivers come, they go, and they are
> >> replaced. Only they weren't replaced with American drivers back then.
> >> And
> >> that trend in ChampCar continues today only it's too late. It's too late
> >> to
> >> save ChampCar. Just shut it down and end it all.
>
> >> Tell me, where was the young American talent back then? Was the
> >> attraction to NASCAR so strong that 100% of the talent got sucked in? I
> >> can't believe that. I can't believe they couldn't find two or three
> >> jewels
> >> in the rough to take the place of Andretti, Rahal, and Mears. Unless the
> >> owners of the ChampCar teams were greedy bastards. Unless they wanted
> >> every
> >> penny a driver could bring. Unless they chose a wealthy Brazilian with
> >> good
> >> talent over a decently funded American with exceptional talent. I have
> >> to
> >> believe that's what happened. ChampCar/CART back then was famous for
> >> letting the animals run the farm with no strong man like F1 has had.
>
> >> Go ahead and blame Tony George. But the team owners in ChampCar back
> >> then deserve just as much blame and probably more. They haven't gotten
> >> the
> >> message yet have they? Oh well, I still got the 2000 season on tape. It
> >> was good.
>
> > F you and your pro-american driver bullshit. I am sick to death of it.
>
> > You have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> > If you want Mercans racing roundy rounds, go watch NASCAR.
>
> I don't want to watch NASCAR. I want to watch open wheel racing. And I
> want some teams in the U.S.A. based ChampCar series to promote American
> drivers a little just like Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton and like
> he promoted David Coulthard. How about Frank Williams promoting Jenson
> Button? You think ChampCar could have promoted young American open wheel
> stars a little like Dennis and Williams promoted their countrymen? I don't
> want the whole field full of Americans in ChampCar. But considering
> ChampCar is U.S.A. based what's wrong with having more than a few token
> Americans in the series and letting the real American talent in?
Well what's wrong with getting talent? Fact is team owners have 2
agendas. First is to make money. Without that, nothing else matters
in most cases. That means sponsors cause the purses sure won't do it,
nor do they even contribute a significant portion of the income these
days. Why should Americans get a break over anyone else? Racing is
all about competition. Racing doesn't need affirmative action to fill
the seats. In fact its just the opposite. Everyone regardless of
gender, national orgin or color should be and as far as I know is
welcome to compete in any series. They have the right to try.
That's all anyone should get after that its up to the individual. Now
part of competing is being able to do things outside the race car
these days. Public speaking talent is nearly as important for most
teams as driving talent.
Give you a hint as to why Ron Dennis is promoting Lewis Hamilton. It
has nothing to do about where he is from. His sponsorships are
already committed so Ron doesn't have to worry about that. He is
promoting him because he thinks he can win. Nothing more. Nothing
less. Winning makes making money much much easier. Its hard to make
money with a back marker. Frank Williams has put a lot of people in
his cars at one time or another. One I can think up happened to be a
French Canadian that came from Champ Car that ended up winning a world
driving championship for him. Winning the last real Indy 500 didn't
hurt, but do you really believe Frank had any concern at all about
where he happened to be born?
Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
Right now he has 100% of nothing
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Mark wrote:
>
>
> Well what's wrong with getting talent?
>
> <snip all the ferner talk>
Talent means absolutely nothing. The most important thing is to be an
American driver. Just look to the IRL as an example of finding the
absolute best American drivers from the short tracks. The IRL is the
most competitive series because they only use American drivers.
Mark wrote:
>
>
> Well what's wrong with getting talent?
>
> <snip all the ferner talk>
Talent means absolutely nothing. The most important thing is to be an
American driver. Just look to the IRL as an example of finding the
absolute best American drivers from the short tracks. The IRL is the
most competitive series because they only use American drivers.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
> Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
> but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
> another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
> future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
> I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
> do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
> almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
> don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
> Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
> Right now he has 100% of nothing
So right. Tony George has nothing beyond the IMS and the Indianapolis 500
and the IRL and the USGP and the NASCAR Brickyard race. Nothing at all. I
would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
> Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
> but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
> another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
> future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
> I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
> do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
> almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
> don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
> Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
> Right now he has 100% of nothing
So right. Tony George has nothing beyond the IMS and the Indianapolis 500
and the IRL and the USGP and the NASCAR Brickyard race. Nothing at all. I
would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
RickyBobby wrote:
>> Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
>> but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
>> another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
>> future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
>> I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
>> do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
>> almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
>> don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
>> Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
>> Right now he has 100% of nothing
>
>
> So right. Tony George has nothing beyond the IMS and the Indianapolis 500
> and the IRL and the USGP and the NASCAR Brickyard race. Nothing at all. I
> would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
that he'd be better than all those other guys. And he just knows that
open wheel would be so much better if it was all-ovals, all-American
drivers and focused on Indy. He's sure that everybody will join his
club and he creates a special rule that you can only play on his track
if you race his other races that don't really count. How could it lose.
Why doesn't everybody just know he's right? Why are they beating him up
so bad? Why do they think he's so stupid?
[exit sarcastic TFPIC mode]
RickyBobby wrote:
>> Champ car is hardly perfect. Sometimes I wonder if they have a clue,
>> but still I might watch a clueless Champ Car. No way I would attend
>> another IRL race and one is headed my way in the not too distant
>> future. I live just a few miles from the Texas Motor Speedway. Hint
>> I ain't going. What Champ Car does and does not do now has nothing to
>> do with why open wheel got it self in such a mess. That mess rests
>> almost entirely, though not totally so, at the doorstep of one Tony "I
>> don't know." George. In my opinion its a take over attempt gone bad.
>> Which is better to have a part of something big, or 100% of nothing?
>> Right now he has 100% of nothing
>
>
> So right. Tony George has nothing beyond the IMS and the Indianapolis 500
> and the IRL and the USGP and the NASCAR Brickyard race. Nothing at all. I
> would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
that he'd be better than all those other guys. And he just knows that
open wheel would be so much better if it was all-ovals, all-American
drivers and focused on Indy. He's sure that everybody will join his
club and he creates a special rule that you can only play on his track
if you race his other races that don't really count. How could it lose.
Why doesn't everybody just know he's right? Why are they beating him up
so bad? Why do they think he's so stupid?
[exit sarcastic TFPIC mode]
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
On Apr 4, 5:03 pm, linux57 <linux...@charter,net > wrote:
> > would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
>
> Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
>
> He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
> that he'd be better than all those other guys.
I always thought he went for the power grab because he had a small
dick and his sisters had a big wallet...but I could be wrong ;-)
On Apr 4, 5:03 pm, linux57 <linux...@charter,net > wrote:
> > would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
>
> Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
>
> He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
> that he'd be better than all those other guys.
I always thought he went for the power grab because he had a small
dick and his sisters had a big wallet...but I could be wrong ;-)
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
Lenny wrote:
> On Apr 4, 5:03 pm, linux57 <linux...@charter,net > wrote:
>
>>> would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
>> Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
>>
>> He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
>> that he'd be better than all those other guys.
>
> I always thought he went for the power grab because he had a small
> dick and his sisters had a big wallet...but I could be wrong ;-)
>
>
Oh, no!!! How could THAT be??!! Tony is the genius of all of motor
racing! Just ask him and he'll explain all the ways he's sooo smart.
Like during the interview.
I don't have "first hand" experience with Tony's penetrative organ, but
we could ask other list "members" for their observations.
Lenny wrote:
> On Apr 4, 5:03 pm, linux57 <linux...@charter,net > wrote:
>
>>> would imagaine the poor guy cries himself to sleep at night.
>> Yeah, poor Tony. He's so misunderstood.
>>
>> He only wanted to take over open wheel because he just knows down deep
>> that he'd be better than all those other guys.
>
> I always thought he went for the power grab because he had a small
> dick and his sisters had a big wallet...but I could be wrong ;-)
>
>
Oh, no!!! How could THAT be??!! Tony is the genius of all of motor
racing! Just ask him and he'll explain all the ways he's sooo smart.
Like during the interview.
I don't have "first hand" experience with Tony's penetrative organ, but
we could ask other list "members" for their observations.
Re: 2000 ChampCar Grand Prix of Miami
On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Cessna 310 <jolene...@sbc,com > wrote:
> I don't have "first hand" experience with Tony's penetrative organ,
His only penetrative organ that actually accomplished its objective
was the IRL...if the objective was to split and destroy US OW racing.
TGFTG
On Apr 5, 8:29 am, Cessna 310 <jolene...@sbc,com > wrote:
> I don't have "first hand" experience with Tony's penetrative organ,
His only penetrative organ that actually accomplished its objective
was the IRL...if the objective was to split and destroy US OW racing.
TGFTG
