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Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

Reply from: Von Fourche
Date: 08 Apr 2007, 21:08
Paper Says No Crows at Vegas



From Las Vegas Review-Journal

"The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
inconvenienced some locals and tourists."

"Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
invested more than $15 million in the race."

"But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and Southern
Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style racing."


* w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html







Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 00:00
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>
> "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>
> "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
> invested more than $15 million in the race."
>
> "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and Southern
> Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style racing."
>
> * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html

You don't really find too many crows in the desert. They're more of a
midwestern type of bird


Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 17:35
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 8, 5:00 pm, "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
> > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>
> > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>
> > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
> > invested more than $15 million in the race."
>
> > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and Southern
> > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style racing."
>
> > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> You don't really find too many crows in the desert. They're more of a
> midwestern type of bird

Also, I don't think The Black Crowes, Sheryl Crow or Counting Crows
were playing Vegas last weekend, but I could be mistaken


Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 00:02
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>
> "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>
> "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
> invested more than $15 million in the race."
>
> "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and Southern
> Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style racing."
>
> * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html

So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
all they do is imitate whatever CC does.


Reply from: .
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 06:14
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

"Dave-E" <davegto67@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
> On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
> >
> > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
> >
> > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
> > invested more than $15 million in the race."
> >
> > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
Southern
> > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
racing."
> >
> > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>

Fixed it for him.



Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 15:33
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
>
> news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>
> > > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> > > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>
> > > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
> > > invested more than $15 million in the race."
>
> > > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
> Southern
> > > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
> racing."
>
> > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>
> Fixed it for him.

Cite ONE example.


Reply from: Lenny
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 16:30
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 9, 9:33 am, "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
>> > > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> > > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> > > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>
> > Fixed it for him.
>
> Cite ONE example.

Oh come on and smell the kool-aid, Dave. Parking is so much better at
St. Pete after the IRL has taken over. What was a total debacle on
race day for traffic is now much more manageable.

FWIW, traffic is much better at Mid-Ohio, Michigan, etc...

TGFTG



Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 17:34
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 9, 9:30 am, "Lenny" <hayso...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:33 am, "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> >> > > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> > > > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> > > > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>
> > > Fixed it for him.
>
> > Cite ONE example.
>
> Oh come on and smell the kool-aid, Dave. Parking is so much better at
> St. Pete after the IRL has taken over. What was a total debacle on
> race day for traffic is now much more manageable.
>
> FWIW, traffic is much better at Mid-Ohio, Michigan, etc...
>
> TGFTG

OK, there we go... the IRL has eased traffic flow on race weekends.
There's one thing the IRL has improved upon.


Reply from: .
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 18:36
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

"Dave-E" <davegto67@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1176125582.628925.165280@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
> On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> > "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
> >
> > news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
> >
> > > > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> > > > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
> >
> > > > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to
have
> > > > invested more than $15 million in the race."
> >
> > > > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
> > Southern
> > > > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
> > racing."
> >
> > > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
> >
> > > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> > > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
> >
> > Fixed it for him.
>
> Cite ONE example.
>


Without the IRL's teams, owners, drivers, venues, sponsors,
vendors, viewers, SAFER walls, TV contracts, coverage
and exposure, prestige, enthusiasm, longevity, recent history
current events, future opportunities and a certain je ne sais
quoi, it would simply be chumpcar.



Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 19:24
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

On Apr 9, 11:36 am, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
>
> news:1176125582.628925.165280@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> > > "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
>
> > >news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > > > On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>
> > > > > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
> > > > > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>
> > > > > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to
> have
> > > > > invested more than $15 million in the race."
>
> > > > > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
> > > Southern
> > > > > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
> > > racing."
>
> > > > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>
> > > > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
> > > > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>
> > > Fixed it for him.
>
> > Cite ONE example.
>
> Without the IRL's teams, owners, drivers, venues, sponsors,
> vendors, viewers, SAFER walls, TV contracts, coverage
> and exposure, prestige, enthusiasm, longevity, recent history
> current events, future opportunities and a certain je ne sais
> quoi, it would simply be chumpcar.

Try again. This time answer the question.


Reply from: .
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 19:56
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

"Dave-E" <davegto67@aol . com > wrote in message
news:1176139446.292186.85140@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> On Apr 9, 11:36 am, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> > "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
> >
> > news:1176125582.628925.165280@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
> > > > "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
> >
> > > > > On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> > > > > > From Las Vegas Review-Journal
> >
> > > > > > "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying,
has
> > > > > > inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
> >
> > > > > > "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought
to
> > have
> > > > > > invested more than $15 million in the race."
> >
> > > > > > "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying,
and
> > > > Southern
> > > > > > Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting
Indy-style
> > > > racing."
> >
> > > > > > * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
> >
> > > > > So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race,
since
> > > > > what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
> >
> > > > Fixed it for him.
> >
> > > Cite ONE example.
> >
> > Without the IRL's teams, owners, drivers, venues, sponsors,
> > vendors, viewers, SAFER walls, TV contracts, coverage
> > and exposure, prestige, enthusiasm, longevity, recent history
> > current events, future opportunities and a certain je ne sais
> > quoi, it would simply be chumpcar.
>
> Try again. This time answer the question.
>


That pathetic, mealy-mouthed response reminds
me of the who is 'King of the Jungle?' parable:


Once upon a time a lion encountered a gorilla.

"Hey, monkey," the lion growled.

Ye-Ye- Yes, sire?" the gorilla answered, voice
trembling.

"Who is the king of the jungle?" the lion roared.

"Why you are, sire, you are!"

"Right!" the lion said. "And don't you forget it!"

Later, the lion met a rhinoceros.

"Hey, you, pointy-head!" the lion roared.

"Yes, sire?" the rhino answered.

"Who's the king of the jungle?"

"But you are, sire. You are."

"That's right! And don't you forget it."

A little later, the lion came upon an elephant.

"Hey, you, elephant! Who's the king of the jungle?" the
lion roared.

Without a word, the elephant ambled over to the lion,
picked him up with his trunk, skewered him on his tusks
then tossed him, smashing him against a tree. Then he
walked over and squashed the lion's tail into a paper
thin ribbon. Then the elephant picked up the lion again
and slammed him hard to the ground.

After getting its ass stomped, as the elephant walked
away, the battered lion lifted his head and called, "Hey,
man, you don't have to get mad just because you don't
know the right answer!"



Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 21:15
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas


>
> That pathetic, mealy-mouthed response reminds
> me of the who is 'King of the Jungle?' parable:
>
> Once upon a time a lion encountered a gorilla.
>


Is this a discussion about racing or about Aesop's fables?


Reply from: Dave-E
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 19:37
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas


> Without the IRL's teams
3 top teams, rest gubrunners, just like CC

>owners,
see above

>drivers
bunch o furrin' no names and former CC drivers

>venues,
Venue, singular. There is only one IRL race... the rest are just
filler

>>sponsors
A few

> vendors
Hot Dog vendors, sure


viewers,<<

Right. Checked TV ratings for either series?

SAFER walls

That's about it. Of course they should have started with safer CARS.

TV contracts
Both series have one. Big deal

, coverage
> and exposure

Neither series has that.

, prestige

Nope

, enthusiasm,

for what?

>longevity

10 years is long?

> recent history

Huh?

> current events, future opportunities

now you're just talking jibberish

and a certain je ne sais
> quoi,

So would say TG, if he were a frenchman.


Did you get voted "talks most, says least" in high school?



Reply from: Cessna 310
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 20:31
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

. wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol . com > wrote in message
> news:1176125582.628925.165280@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups . com ...
>> On Apr 8, 11:14 pm, "." <....@dot . com > wrote:
>>> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol . com > wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>>>> From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>>>>> "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
>>>>> inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>>>>> "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to
> have
>>>>> invested more than $15 million in the race."
>>>>> "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
>>> Southern
>>>>> Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
>>> racing."
>>>
>>>>> * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>>>> So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
>>>> what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>>> Fixed it for him.
>> Cite ONE example.
>>
>
>
> Without the IRL's teams, owners, drivers, venues, sponsors,
> vendors, viewers, SAFER walls, TV contracts, coverage
> and exposure, prestige, enthusiasm, longevity, recent history
> current events, future opportunities and a certain je ne sais
> quoi, it would simply be chumpcar.
>
>

You've cited nothing. The IRL has failed to improve any aspect of open
wheel racing. You underline that failure in your typical arcane manner.

So try again. Try to provide something useful from that dot-sized brain.



Reply from: linux57
Date: 09 Apr 2007, 16:00
Re: Paper Says No Crows at Vegas

. wrote:
> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol . com > wrote in message
> news:1176069723.917234.3960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups . com ...
>> On Apr 8, 2:08 pm, "Von Fourche" <Khonak...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>> From Las Vegas Review-Journal
>>>
>>> "The three-day event, which included two days of qualifying, has
>>> inconvenienced some locals and tourists."
>>>
>>> "Event owners Dale Jensen and Bradley Yonover are thought to have
>>> invested more than $15 million in the race."
>>>
>>> "But crowds were sparse Friday and Saturday for qualifying, and
> Southern
>>> Nevada does not boast a successful tradition of hosting Indy-style
> racing."
>>> * w w w .lvrj . com /sports/6925162.html
>> So I'm sure the IRL will be giving a try at a Vegas street race, since
>> what they do is improve upon whatever CC does.
>>
>
> Fixed it for him.


OK, you piece of shit. Prove it.

Look at the record:

The Indy 500 is now a disaster.

The IRL race at Michigan draws almost nobody.

IRL street races can't be described without using the word "cluster".

So pray tell turd wipe, what improvements has the IRL made to anything?



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