is picking a side a requirement?

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
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>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
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>>> >
>>> > RickyBobby wrote:
>>> >> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>> >> news:1169334599.249688.136270@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
>>> >> > Maple1;
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I fully agree that fans need to pick sides - but wouldn't both
>>> >> > series
>>> >> > benefit more if the core fan base focused on building the rivalries
>>> >> > within that series?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Supporting the sponsors tied to a series seems fine, but wouldn't
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > series grow if the followers of each ignored the other and focused
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > growing what they cared about?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> What the fans care about is media friendly drivers. That means
>>> >> drivers
>>> >> who
>>> >> speak English without an accent.
>>> >>
>>> >> Helio and Sebastien are no Dale and Darrell.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Racist and Xenophobic.
>>> >
>>> > ...and just basically stupid...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I care about how a driver performs on the track. Not how he acts with
>>> > a
>>> > mic in his face.
>>> >
>>>
>>> If you want to watch the races for free somebody has to pay for it.
>>> Those
>>> people are called sponsors. Those sponsors do not want some guy from
>>> another hemisphere talkings about how his favorite product or service is
>>> the
>>> best.
>>
>> How do you know that?
>>
>> He never used none of ours and we ain't never even heard of none of
>>> his.<<
>>
>>
>> Hilarious sentence, there Jethro. I wud say you is ignant.
>>
>> lol...
>>
>
> It is supposed to be funny, you dolt. It takes more effort to construct
> funny sentences than to use proper sentence structure and grammar.
>

How would you know?

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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>> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>>> "Dave-E" <davegto67@aol,com > wrote in message
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>>>> >
>>>> > RickyBobby wrote:
>>>> >> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>>>> >> news:1169334599.249688.136270@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
>>>> >> > Maple1;
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I fully agree that fans need to pick sides - but wouldn't both
>>>> >> > series
>>>> >> > benefit more if the core fan base focused on building the
>>>> >> > rivalries
>>>> >> > within that series?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Supporting the sponsors tied to a series seems fine, but wouldn't
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > series grow if the followers of each ignored the other and focused
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > growing what they cared about?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What the fans care about is media friendly drivers. That means
>>>> >> drivers
>>>> >> who
>>>> >> speak English without an accent.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Helio and Sebastien are no Dale and Darrell.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Racist and Xenophobic.
>>>> >
>>>> > ...and just basically stupid...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I care about how a driver performs on the track. Not how he acts with
>>>> > a
>>>> > mic in his face.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> If you want to watch the races for free somebody has to pay for it.
>>>> Those
>>>> people are called sponsors. Those sponsors do not want some guy from
>>>> another hemisphere talkings about how his favorite product or service
>>>> is the
>>>> best.
>>>
>>> How do you know that?
>>>
>>> He never used none of ours and we ain't never even heard of none of
>>>> his.<<
>>>
>>>
>>> Hilarious sentence, there Jethro. I wud say you is ignant.
>>>
>>> lol...
>>>
>>
>> It is supposed to be funny, you dolt. It takes more effort to construct
>> funny sentences than to use proper sentence structure and grammar.
>>
>
> How would you know?
>

Proper grammar is easy these days. You just hit the grammar checker button
on your word processor. It takes a few more seconds to come up with "Y'all
pay this some mind 'cuz Dale's gonna grab him two handfuls of steering wheel
and this here's gonna be something to see"

Dale Earnhardt's crew chief actually did say something like that toward the
end of a NASCAR race some years back.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:54:37 -0800, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net >
wrote:


>Proper grammar is easy these days. You just hit the grammar checker button
>on your word processor. It takes a few more seconds to come up with "Y'all
>pay this some mind 'cuz Dale's gonna grab him two handfuls of steering wheel
>and this here's gonna be something to see"
>
>Dale Earnhardt's crew chief actually did say something like that toward the
>end of a NASCAR race some years back.
>
Thanks for proving our collective points. LOL

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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>>
>
> If you want to watch the races for free somebody has to pay for it. Those
> people are called sponsors. Those sponsors do not want some guy from
> another hemisphere talkings about how his favorite product or service is
> the best. He never used none of ours and we ain't never even heard of none
> of his.
It is the standard CHUMP argument. If you state that the decline in
popularity of open wheel racing is because of drivers from other countries,
you are a xenophobe. But, of course the CHUMPS are immune from such labels
when they go on and make bumpkin comments. I feel it has less to do with
the sponsors than what the fans want to see. Do Europeans flock to baseball
and American football? No.

Carey in Manvel

Re: is picking a side a requirement?



Carey Akin wrote:

> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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>>If you want to watch the races for free somebody has to pay for it. Those
>>people are called sponsors. Those sponsors do not want some guy from
>>another hemisphere talkings about how his favorite product or service is
>>the best. He never used none of ours and we ain't never even heard of none
>>of his.
>
> It is the standard CHUMP argument. If you state that the decline in
> popularity of open wheel racing is because of drivers from other countries,
> you are a xenophobe. But, of course the CHUMPS are immune from such labels
> when they go on and make bumpkin comments. I feel it has less to do with
> the sponsors than what the fans want to see. Do Europeans flock to baseball
> and American football? No.
>
> Carey in Manvel

Please depart earth and return to your home planet. Wasn't it Uranus?

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att,net > wrote in message
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> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>> If you want to watch the races for free somebody has to pay for it. Those
>> people are called sponsors. Those sponsors do not want some guy from
>> another hemisphere talkings about how his favorite product or service is
>> the best. He never used none of ours and we ain't never even heard of
>> none of his.
> It is the standard CHUMP argument. If you state that the decline in
> popularity of open wheel racing is because of drivers from other
> countries, you are a xenophobe. But, of course the CHUMPS are immune from
> such labels when they go on and make bumpkin comments. I feel it has less
> to do with the sponsors than what the fans want to see. Do Europeans
> flock to baseball and American football? No.
>
> Carey in Manvel
>

I am not a xenophobe. I liked Emmo and Arie but it was the rest of America
who did not.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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>> Maple1;
>>
>> I fully agree that fans need to pick sides - but wouldn't both series
>> benefit more if the core fan base focused on building the rivalries
>> within that series?
>>
>> Supporting the sponsors tied to a series seems fine, but wouldn't the
>> series grow if the followers of each ignored the other and focused on
>> growing what they cared about?
>>
>>
>
> What the fans care about is media friendly drivers. That means drivers
> who speak English without an accent.
>
> Helio and Sebastien are no Dale and Darrell.

Second. dumbest. comment. ever.

Dale and Darrell have worse accents than Helio and Sebastien. Joonyer sounds
like Boomhower, and Darrell makes up words because he doesn't know the
language. Boogity? Coopetition?

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
> news:ieysh.29370$Go.14638@newsfe12.phx...
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>> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>> news:1169334599.249688.136270@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
>>> Maple1;
>>>
>>> I fully agree that fans need to pick sides - but wouldn't both series
>>> benefit more if the core fan base focused on building the rivalries
>>> within that series?
>>>
>>> Supporting the sponsors tied to a series seems fine, but wouldn't the
>>> series grow if the followers of each ignored the other and focused on
>>> growing what they cared about?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What the fans care about is media friendly drivers. That means drivers
>> who speak English without an accent.
>>
>> Helio and Sebastien are no Dale and Darrell.
>
> Second. dumbest. comment. ever.
>
> Dale and Darrell have worse accents than Helio and Sebastien. Joonyer
> sounds like Boomhower, and Darrell makes up words because he doesn't know
> the language. Boogity? Coopetition?
>

You must be a closet NASCAR fan to know all of that.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


RickyBobby wrote:
>
> What the fans care about is media friendly drivers. That means drivers who
> speak English without an accent.
>

Erm ... without which accent??

Even the English have a whole bunch of different accents! Or as an
American have you forgotten that you inherited the language and **you**
speak it with an accent?

What I suspect the fans care about is exciting racing. The fact that the
sport is international is icing on the cake ... for those that know
there's a world outside the US, that is!

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


<u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> Let's see if I have this right...



Only thing people need to get right is that racing wheel to wheel at
over 200mph on an oval is real racing and that is what it is all about.
Real men with real guts. I am a fan of road/street racing (F1 and IRL) but
the IRL has the best RACING in the World by far.

ChampCar is trying to kill they sport. They should do what is right and
give themselves to the IRL. The IRL will take them back. The IRL wants
them back. But they need to come back to the IRL, not the other way around.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


OK, you've got your trolling motor batteries charged up again. But your
post is just so far from reality that it doesn't even qualify as a troll.

This reply is just so others that don't know about you won't get the
impression that you have any clue about what you speak.


Von Fourche wrote:

> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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>
>>Let's see if I have this right...
>
>
>
>
> Only thing people need to get right is that racing wheel to wheel at
> over 200mph on an oval is real racing and that is what it is all about.


How narrow a view. That's why the IRL is heading downhill so fast.
Interest in open wheel oval racing in decreasing rapidly. That's why
the IRL is getting rid of the oval venues in favor or road courses. Its
obvious that they are following the lead of Champ Car.

BTW, your comment sounds a lot like maybe you'd prefer NASCAR.


> Real men with real guts. I am a fan of road/street racing (F1 and IRL) but
> the IRL has the best RACING in the World by far.

I'm sure you're very happy to be in a tiny minority of racing fans that
agree with your limited and narrow point of view.


>
> ChampCar is trying to kill they sport.

What a creative and illiterate use of language. I won't try to
translate into English.

> They should do what is right and
> give themselves to the IRL. The IRL will take them back. The IRL wants
> them back. But they need to come back to the IRL, not the other way around.

What a history revisionist!! And this just killed any small shread of
remaining credibility you might have had.

CART (Champ Car) never left the IRL. The IRL excluded them and started
their own little club and took the most important open wheel race with
them. The excuse for starting the IRL was to preserve the traditions of
Indy. Well all those traditions are gone. That race is now just
another event in a fading series. Attendance is way down, the month of
May is down to a week. No bumping. the only time they had 33 cars
since the split was when a bunch of has-beens and never-weres were
brought in as field fillers. And can we say 25/8?

So much for preserving the traditions of Indy.

But maybe the IRL is so much more!!

Its about giving a chance to the American heroes of American short oval
tracks. So how many American heroes of American short track are
actually competing? One? Two? Would they be competing in a series
that wasn't divided? Probably if they were good enough. But they
didn't need the IRL to give them a chance. And how many are among those
foreign drivers that the IRL said didn't belong in American racing?
Lots. The IRL needed warm bodies. There weren't any American short
oval track heroes qualified.

But maybe that's NOT the reason the IRL had to be formed. Maybe it was
to keep the big buck teams from dominating racing. Like Penske and
Ganassi. They just ruined open wheel racing, right? But they're in the
IRL, so that didn't work very well did it.

Maybe racing needed the IRL to reduce operating costs. But the IRL is
more costly than Champ Car. So the IRL wasn't necessary for that, were
they.

But maybe it was about getting rid of those pesky engine leases. Or
not. Seems Honda is managing engines nowadays. At least for the short
term. Who will be supplying engines to the IRL when their last engine
provder pulls oars and leaves?

Maybe racing needed the IRL to run an all oval series to preserve the
tradition of America open wheel. So this season's schedule includes
such tracks as Mid-Ohio, Watkins Glen, Detroit, St. Petersburg, Sonoma.
Are these places oval tracks? So the IRL wasn't needed to do this
were they. CART was already running road courses.


Or maybe the REAL reason was that Tony George wanted more power and
wanted to control open wheel racing. He needed to create the IRA to do
that. So maybe that's the bottom line.


As was so eloquently stated recently, the IRL was NEVER about racing.


So you think that Champ Car should "return" to the IRL? Why? So they
can run at Indy? Nah, the IRL should come to Champ Car with their hat
in hand and ask whether they can come back to Champ Car and compete in
real races adn in a growing series. The only thing the IRL could offer
is tehe Indy 500. A good race, no doubt. But the IRL made their bed,
let 'em sleep in it.


The fact is that Champ Car is growing in popularity. The IRL isn't.
Champ Car has quite a few races that are well attended and they are not
reliant on a single event. Their popularity and risk is spread over the
entire season. The IRL is a single event series. There is little
interest before the Indy 500 and less after the Indy 500.


Champ Car needs the IRL like a fish needs a bicycle.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


<u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
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> Let's see if I have this right...
>
> One group apparently believes they had the Indy 500 stolen from them
> following '95 and they want it back. The other apparently believes that
> what was done after '95 was a step in the right direction and wants
> that process to continue.
>
> So why do these two groups of people actually hate EACH OTHER?

You must pick a side. The IRL group consists of Americans. The alphabet
soup group consists of snooty Americans and anti-Americans. There is no
middle ground. Either you are for America or against America.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
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> <u8241@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:1169310718.490737.192310@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups,com ...
>> Let's see if I have this right...
>>
>> One group apparently believes they had the Indy 500 stolen from them
>> following '95 and they want it back. The other apparently believes that
>> what was done after '95 was a step in the right direction and wants
>> that process to continue.
>>
>> So why do these two groups of people actually hate EACH OTHER?
>
> You must pick a side. The IRL group consists of Americans. The alphabet
> soup group consists of snooty Americans and anti-Americans. There is no
> middle ground. Either you are for America or against America.
>


You mean like those American drivers Kosuke Matsuura, Vitor Meira, Helio
Castroneves, Scott Dixon, Tomas Scheckter, Tony Kanaan, Dan Weldon, and
maybe others. Hmm any of these qualify as a "hero of the short tracks" that
the IRL was founded to help get to Indy? How bout Mr. Judd? Isn't Dario
Franchitti from Scottland?? Even old AJ according the the website has
Darren Manning who by the way was born in North Yorkshire England. Yeah
there are some Mannings that happen to be famous (one born in Drew, Ms and
the others in New Orleans, LA) but some how I kind of doubt there is a
connection.

Riddle me this. What do Tomas Scheckter and Ed Carpenter have in common?
Answer neither would have a ride without Tony George. Isn't he the founder
of the series? Why hire a driver from South Africa with all those heros of
the short tracks. He could have hired Jimmy Kite or Billy Boat?

Re: is picking a side a requirement?


"Maple1" <aerophoto@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Not only is picking a side a requirement Purchasing from the sponsors is a
> requirement because without their support......
>
> So... I shop a WAlmart, Bought a Ford, Buy Brigstone tires, eat an
> McDonalds, I have a Visa card Ship Via UPS and so on
>
>

You have very poor taste.

Re: is picking a side a requirement?



RickyBobby wrote:

> "Maple1" <aerophoto@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Hxtsh.739717$R63.348568@pd7urf1no...
>
>>Not only is picking a side a requirement Purchasing from the sponsors is a
>>requirement because without their support......
>>
>>So... I shop a WAlmart, Bought a Ford, Buy Brigstone tires, eat an
>>McDonalds, I have a Visa card Ship Via UPS and so on
>>
>>
>
>
> You have very poor taste.


I'm shocked that an redneck unwashed white trailer trash poster like you
would accuse someone else of not having good taste.