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is picking a side a requirement?
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"xorbit" <xorbit@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>> "Maple1" <aerophoto@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Hxtsh.739717$R63.348568@pd7urf1no...
>>
>>>Not only is picking a side a requirement Purchasing from the sponsors is
>>>a requirement because without their support......
>>>
>>>So... I shop a WAlmart, Bought a Ford, Buy Brigstone tires, eat an
>>>McDonalds, I have a Visa card Ship Via UPS and so on
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You have very poor taste.
>
>
> I'm shocked that an redneck unwashed white trailer trash poster like you
> would accuse someone else of not having good taste.
>
>
It was just a joke. McDonalds, UPS, Visa, and the rest are world leaders in
their fields.
I believe that the entire IRL, IMS, NASCAR, Penske, Gnassi cabal will
outlast the personal spending of the few remaining OWRS owners but time will
tell.
I hope ESPN can give OWRS and the IRL equal footing this season so we can
get some more data on what the fans prefer. The OWRS races are fun to watch
just to see half of the field knock the wings and wheels off on the first
turn. As long as nobody gets hurt it is great TV.
Public tastes do change and there is a reasonable chance that open wheel
racing can gain traction again in the good old USA. But as long as ESPN is
able to carry all of the races in both departments live things are just
fine. It really does not matter much to me who is footing the bill to put
the cars on the track.
"xorbit" <xorbit@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>> "Maple1" <aerophoto@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:Hxtsh.739717$R63.348568@pd7urf1no...
>>
>>>Not only is picking a side a requirement Purchasing from the sponsors is
>>>a requirement because without their support......
>>>
>>>So... I shop a WAlmart, Bought a Ford, Buy Brigstone tires, eat an
>>>McDonalds, I have a Visa card Ship Via UPS and so on
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You have very poor taste.
>
>
> I'm shocked that an redneck unwashed white trailer trash poster like you
> would accuse someone else of not having good taste.
>
>
It was just a joke. McDonalds, UPS, Visa, and the rest are world leaders in
their fields.
I believe that the entire IRL, IMS, NASCAR, Penske, Gnassi cabal will
outlast the personal spending of the few remaining OWRS owners but time will
tell.
I hope ESPN can give OWRS and the IRL equal footing this season so we can
get some more data on what the fans prefer. The OWRS races are fun to watch
just to see half of the field knock the wings and wheels off on the first
turn. As long as nobody gets hurt it is great TV.
Public tastes do change and there is a reasonable chance that open wheel
racing can gain traction again in the good old USA. But as long as ESPN is
able to carry all of the races in both departments live things are just
fine. It really does not matter much to me who is footing the bill to put
the cars on the track.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
.
>
> Am I alone on this list or must you pick a side in order to be welcome?
>
> me
Well its the off season and you are either one of two types of people. You
are either new and have no idea of the events that happened to bring things
to the point they are now or 2) are a troll.
Ten years isn't nearly enough time to forget how badly the fans were
treated. Race fans are indeed pasionate and have a very long memory. The
damage that was done at the split will last for at least one generation and
maybe more. It essentially forced a fan to pick sides which was why the way
it was handled was so stupid. Trouble is to quote a well known comic, you
can't fix stupid.
A personal story, my car overheated and I had to stop by the side of the
road and needed some antifreeze to get it home. Pep Boys was at one time a
title sponsor of the IRL. Rather than walk a half a block to the Pep Boys,
I walked an extra mile and a half in each direction to keep from buying a
bottle of antifreeze in a store that at one time supported the IRL.
Like many fail to realize if Champ Car ended tomorrow, I wouldn't be an IRL
fan. Id be a totally ex fan.
.
>
> Am I alone on this list or must you pick a side in order to be welcome?
>
> me
Well its the off season and you are either one of two types of people. You
are either new and have no idea of the events that happened to bring things
to the point they are now or 2) are a troll.
Ten years isn't nearly enough time to forget how badly the fans were
treated. Race fans are indeed pasionate and have a very long memory. The
damage that was done at the split will last for at least one generation and
maybe more. It essentially forced a fan to pick sides which was why the way
it was handled was so stupid. Trouble is to quote a well known comic, you
can't fix stupid.
A personal story, my car overheated and I had to stop by the side of the
road and needed some antifreeze to get it home. Pep Boys was at one time a
title sponsor of the IRL. Rather than walk a half a block to the Pep Boys,
I walked an extra mile and a half in each direction to keep from buying a
bottle of antifreeze in a store that at one time supported the IRL.
Like many fail to realize if Champ Car ended tomorrow, I wouldn't be an IRL
fan. Id be a totally ex fan.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
>
> Like many fail to realize if Champ Car ended tomorrow, I wouldn't be an
> IRL fan. Id be a totally ex fan.
>
Both things in the scenario you described would be welcome.
>
> Like many fail to realize if Champ Car ended tomorrow, I wouldn't be an
> IRL fan. Id be a totally ex fan.
>
Both things in the scenario you described would be welcome.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
On 20 Jan 2007 08:31:58 -0800, u8241@hotmail,com wrote:
>Let's see if I have this right...
>
>One group apparently believes they had the Indy 500 stolen from them
>following '95 and they want it back. The other apparently believes that
>what was done after '95 was a step in the right direction and wants
>that process to continue.
>
>So why do these two groups of people actually hate EACH OTHER? It seems
>like two reasonable reactions to what occurred, so why is this all so
>personal?
>
>I can see a current CCWS fan wanting the IRL to fail so that it can put
>things basically back the way they were and I can see a current IRL fan
>wanting CCWS to fail so that those drivers/sites/resources, etc. will
>be part of the Indy 500 again as well as other IRL events.
>
>But when open wheel is struggling so much, how does blowing all of this
>energy pointing fingers at each other add anything to the sport in
>general?
>
>It seems that in order for a sport to grow, it needs to focus all
>energy (including its core fan base) on hyping its events/upcoming
>season and there appears to be almost none of that in open wheel from
>what I can see.
>
>Look at the current off season...How much 'hot stove' talk is there
>about open wheel in the larger sporting world? I see almost nothing.
>Almost all of the talk here is the pro-IRL people fighting with the
>pro-CCWS people. How does that advance anything?
>
>I trust there are a few other quiet folks out here who actually don't
>mind the diversity of having two series with their own storylines and
>competition - providing in essence double the number of events. I'd be
>excited to see it come together - but only in a pro-growth move and not
>driven by the desperation by one or the other side. Neither series
>seems strong enough to handle somebody else's desperation.
>
>Am I alone on this list or must you pick a side in order to be welcome?
No and no though glossing over the seminal events of the past ten
years is a mistake IMO.
On 20 Jan 2007 08:31:58 -0800, u8241@hotmail,com wrote:
>Let's see if I have this right...
>
>One group apparently believes they had the Indy 500 stolen from them
>following '95 and they want it back. The other apparently believes that
>what was done after '95 was a step in the right direction and wants
>that process to continue.
>
>So why do these two groups of people actually hate EACH OTHER? It seems
>like two reasonable reactions to what occurred, so why is this all so
>personal?
>
>I can see a current CCWS fan wanting the IRL to fail so that it can put
>things basically back the way they were and I can see a current IRL fan
>wanting CCWS to fail so that those drivers/sites/resources, etc. will
>be part of the Indy 500 again as well as other IRL events.
>
>But when open wheel is struggling so much, how does blowing all of this
>energy pointing fingers at each other add anything to the sport in
>general?
>
>It seems that in order for a sport to grow, it needs to focus all
>energy (including its core fan base) on hyping its events/upcoming
>season and there appears to be almost none of that in open wheel from
>what I can see.
>
>Look at the current off season...How much 'hot stove' talk is there
>about open wheel in the larger sporting world? I see almost nothing.
>Almost all of the talk here is the pro-IRL people fighting with the
>pro-CCWS people. How does that advance anything?
>
>I trust there are a few other quiet folks out here who actually don't
>mind the diversity of having two series with their own storylines and
>competition - providing in essence double the number of events. I'd be
>excited to see it come together - but only in a pro-growth move and not
>driven by the desperation by one or the other side. Neither series
>seems strong enough to handle somebody else's desperation.
>
>Am I alone on this list or must you pick a side in order to be welcome?
No and no though glossing over the seminal events of the past ten
years is a mistake IMO.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"forty" <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote in message
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> u8241@hotmail,com wrote:
>> Let's see if I have this right...
> <snip what is easily found elsewhere>
>
> In short, no you don't necessarily need to pick a side. If you want to
> become fully engaged in some of the flame wars that erupt here from time
> to time you might want to, although I'm not sure why one would have such a
> desire.
>
> However, some who have picked a side before have since looked beyond the
> scope of the viewpoint from that camp and embraced a more neutral,
> objective perspective. These can see the strengths and weaknesses on both
> sides. They have races that they like and races that they do not like from
> both sides. Same for drivers, teams, etc. They may have a personal
> preference for one series, but that doesn't necessarily blind them to that
> which is good or bad from either side.
>
> If you prefer a neutral stand, you may be best off ignoring many of the
> flame wars that erupt. Your news reader should have a way of ignoring a
> particular thread. You may also find it useful to killfile some of the
> more rabid minions of either side, as they seldom have anything truly
> useful to contribute to any actual racing discussion. An occasional jab at
> the morons can be good for one's humor, but I'd recommend against making a
> habit of it.
>
> If you can sift through the noise you can find meaningful posts here. And
> you can contribute to meaningful conversations if you so chose.
>
>
It just depends on how one feels about honesty. The IRL puts races on the
schedule and then goes out and runs the races. Every time. Over 200 and
counting.
The alphabet soup is running at about 88% in regards to running announced
races. That does not sound all that bad unless you were planning to attend
some of the missing 12%. They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
Stinking thieves and liars.
"forty" <cforteNO@SPAMgmail,com > wrote in message
news:51k3l9F1kdo9vU2@mid.individual,net ...
> u8241@hotmail,com wrote:
>> Let's see if I have this right...
> <snip what is easily found elsewhere>
>
> In short, no you don't necessarily need to pick a side. If you want to
> become fully engaged in some of the flame wars that erupt here from time
> to time you might want to, although I'm not sure why one would have such a
> desire.
>
> However, some who have picked a side before have since looked beyond the
> scope of the viewpoint from that camp and embraced a more neutral,
> objective perspective. These can see the strengths and weaknesses on both
> sides. They have races that they like and races that they do not like from
> both sides. Same for drivers, teams, etc. They may have a personal
> preference for one series, but that doesn't necessarily blind them to that
> which is good or bad from either side.
>
> If you prefer a neutral stand, you may be best off ignoring many of the
> flame wars that erupt. Your news reader should have a way of ignoring a
> particular thread. You may also find it useful to killfile some of the
> more rabid minions of either side, as they seldom have anything truly
> useful to contribute to any actual racing discussion. An occasional jab at
> the morons can be good for one's humor, but I'd recommend against making a
> habit of it.
>
> If you can sift through the noise you can find meaningful posts here. And
> you can contribute to meaningful conversations if you so chose.
>
>
It just depends on how one feels about honesty. The IRL puts races on the
schedule and then goes out and runs the races. Every time. Over 200 and
counting.
The alphabet soup is running at about 88% in regards to running announced
races. That does not sound all that bad unless you were planning to attend
some of the missing 12%. They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
Stinking thieves and liars.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
RickyBobby wrote:
> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
> Stinking thieves and liars.
As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
settled.
http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
RickyBobby wrote:
> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
> Stinking thieves and liars.
As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
settled.
http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>
> Do you have a job, Carey? If so, do the people who work there just get
> paid some random amount of money, or are they paid according to their
> skill at their job?
To state that Beckham makes his inordinate salary because, as a football
player, he has a greater skill set than, say an NFL player, or MLB player is
false. The salary is a result of the misguided effort of the LA MISL team
to try and bolster associates football here in the US. In my view, all it
will do is get a few more expat Brits and the odd US fan to watch. But
those folks were watching already.
>
> Disregard this statement if you have a union job.
Not for a number of years.
Carey in Manvel
>
>
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>
> Do you have a job, Carey? If so, do the people who work there just get
> paid some random amount of money, or are they paid according to their
> skill at their job?
To state that Beckham makes his inordinate salary because, as a football
player, he has a greater skill set than, say an NFL player, or MLB player is
false. The salary is a result of the misguided effort of the LA MISL team
to try and bolster associates football here in the US. In my view, all it
will do is get a few more expat Brits and the odd US fan to watch. But
those folks were watching already.
>
> Disregard this statement if you have a union job.
Not for a number of years.
Carey in Manvel
>
>
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
> "SG" <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:M6KdnbMEWdApdinYnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> >
> > "armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> > news:VPKdnbN6LtRzRinYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@giganews,com ...
> >>
> >> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
> >> news:JzKsh.82957$uA2.12198@newsfe07.phx...
> >> >
> >> > But soccer is a good game for kids who do not have the skills to
> > play the
> >> > real sports.
> >>
> >> Dumbest. comment. ever.
> >>
> >> Name one athlete anywhere that earns more than what David Beckham
will
> > make
> >> playing for the LA Galaxy. And endorsement money doesn't count,
> > although
> >> IIRC that only eliminates Tiger Woods.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Alex Rodriguez, for one, his salary is about $25 million a year
> >
> > Beckham's deal is only $50 million for 5 years
> >
>
> No, Beckham's deal is $50 million *per year* for 5 years.
> http :// soccernet,es pn.go,com /news/story?id=399471&cc=5901
>
>
who to believe, I read this one and have also heard that the $250
million is padded by endorsements:
http :// soccernet,es pn.go,com /news/story?id=404099&cc=5901
The Galaxy certainly hope so -- the team promised Beckham millions of
dollars more in salary than any other player as part of a five-year deal
worth about $50 million.
That's an unheard of compensation package for MLS, where the average
player salary was $100,000 last year and the last team to sell, D.C.
United, went for $33 million a couple of weeks ago.
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
> "SG" <spaamtrapper@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:M6KdnbMEWdApdinYnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> >
> > "armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> > news:VPKdnbN6LtRzRinYnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@giganews,com ...
> >>
> >> "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox,net > wrote in message
> >> news:JzKsh.82957$uA2.12198@newsfe07.phx...
> >> >
> >> > But soccer is a good game for kids who do not have the skills to
> > play the
> >> > real sports.
> >>
> >> Dumbest. comment. ever.
> >>
> >> Name one athlete anywhere that earns more than what David Beckham
will
> > make
> >> playing for the LA Galaxy. And endorsement money doesn't count,
> > although
> >> IIRC that only eliminates Tiger Woods.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Alex Rodriguez, for one, his salary is about $25 million a year
> >
> > Beckham's deal is only $50 million for 5 years
> >
>
> No, Beckham's deal is $50 million *per year* for 5 years.
> http :// soccernet,es pn.go,com /news/story?id=399471&cc=5901
>
>
who to believe, I read this one and have also heard that the $250
million is padded by endorsements:
http :// soccernet,es pn.go,com /news/story?id=404099&cc=5901
The Galaxy certainly hope so -- the team promised Beckham millions of
dollars more in salary than any other player as part of a five-year deal
worth about $50 million.
That's an unheard of compensation package for MLS, where the average
player salary was $100,000 last year and the last team to sell, D.C.
United, went for $33 million a couple of weeks ago.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>
> So then you agree with RickyBobby's statement?
No, but I disagree with yours.
Carey in Manvel
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>
> So then you agree with RickyBobby's statement?
No, but I disagree with yours.
Carey in Manvel
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>>
> Well, my initial point was a disagreement that soccer is a sport for
> leftover athletes. It's my daughter's favorite sport, and she plays it at
> the club and high school levels, and she can school most girls her age at
> basketball, volleyball, and softball as well.
Agreed. A different skill set from football to be sure. Back in the
seventies, when I went to High School, I played football, but also was
active with a group that tried to start a soccer club (I learned to play at
a private school years before-no youth leagues back in the 60's). I always
liked to play the game, I just can't stand to watch it.
>
> My point was not that Beckham is the world's greatest athlete, but that
> soccer is every bit as respectable as any other sport, and that there are
> people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to play it. It's not a last
> resort for untalented or unathletic kids.
You are right. It isn't soccer that the last resort, it is road racing. . .
. . . .
I just had to do it.
Carey in Manvel
"armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
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>
>>
> Well, my initial point was a disagreement that soccer is a sport for
> leftover athletes. It's my daughter's favorite sport, and she plays it at
> the club and high school levels, and she can school most girls her age at
> basketball, volleyball, and softball as well.
Agreed. A different skill set from football to be sure. Back in the
seventies, when I went to High School, I played football, but also was
active with a group that tried to start a soccer club (I learned to play at
a private school years before-no youth leagues back in the 60's). I always
liked to play the game, I just can't stand to watch it.
>
> My point was not that Beckham is the world's greatest athlete, but that
> soccer is every bit as respectable as any other sport, and that there are
> people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to play it. It's not a last
> resort for untalented or unathletic kids.
You are right. It isn't soccer that the last resort, it is road racing. . .
. . . .
I just had to do it.
Carey in Manvel
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att,net > wrote in message
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>
> "armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:4Y6dnUKO89IPuyjYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@giganews,com ...
>>
>>>
>> Well, my initial point was a disagreement that soccer is a sport for
>> leftover athletes. It's my daughter's favorite sport, and she plays it at
>> the club and high school levels, and she can school most girls her age at
>> basketball, volleyball, and softball as well.
>
> Agreed. A different skill set from football to be sure. Back in the
> seventies, when I went to High School, I played football, but also was
> active with a group that tried to start a soccer club (I learned to play
> at a private school years before-no youth leagues back in the 60's). I
> always liked to play the game, I just can't stand to watch it.
>>
>> My point was not that Beckham is the world's greatest athlete, but that
>> soccer is every bit as respectable as any other sport, and that there are
>> people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to play it. It's not a last
>> resort for untalented or unathletic kids.
> You are right. It isn't soccer that the last resort, it is road racing. .
> . . . . .
>
> I just had to do it.
>
> Carey in Manvel
Did you look at the videos in the "SFVISB Soapbox racing" post? Looks kinda
fun, actually. And very low budget.
"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att,net > wrote in message
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>
> "armpit" <armarmpitpit@yahoo,com > wrote in message
> news:4Y6dnUKO89IPuyjYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@giganews,com ...
>>
>>>
>> Well, my initial point was a disagreement that soccer is a sport for
>> leftover athletes. It's my daughter's favorite sport, and she plays it at
>> the club and high school levels, and she can school most girls her age at
>> basketball, volleyball, and softball as well.
>
> Agreed. A different skill set from football to be sure. Back in the
> seventies, when I went to High School, I played football, but also was
> active with a group that tried to start a soccer club (I learned to play
> at a private school years before-no youth leagues back in the 60's). I
> always liked to play the game, I just can't stand to watch it.
>>
>> My point was not that Beckham is the world's greatest athlete, but that
>> soccer is every bit as respectable as any other sport, and that there are
>> people who get paid a hell of a lot of money to play it. It's not a last
>> resort for untalented or unathletic kids.
> You are right. It isn't soccer that the last resort, it is road racing. .
> . . . . .
>
> I just had to do it.
>
> Carey in Manvel
Did you look at the videos in the "SFVISB Soapbox racing" post? Looks kinda
fun, actually. And very low budget.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
RickyBobby wrote:
>
> "Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
> news:UDbth.568$t61.386@newsfe03.lga...
>
>> scottscottscott wrote:
>>
>>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>>
>>>> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
>>>> Stinking thieves and liars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
>>> settled.
>>>
>>> http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
>>>
>>
>> Please!! Don't present facts in the middle of an irrational rant!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Irrational rant, your ass.
LOL...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You're so funny!! I just can't resist! So here we go....
Lets look at your post and at the facts. You said CART failed to settle
its obligations to Fontana. But you are WRONG.
That's spelled W R O N G. (not R A H N G )
Wrong. Inaccurate reporting. Invalid point of argument.
And now you've been proven to be wrong. And its not even recent news.
So that makes you wrong, out of touch and without current information.
That creates serious questions about anything you posted as fact. Since
your statement is untrue, it is irrational. And since it was posted
with a level of emotion ("Stinking thieves and liars."), that makes it a
rant.
So regardless of your claims to the contrary (with that special
reference to my cute ass, thank you!), your post was an irrational rant.
And to the statement "Stinking thieves and liars." Well, maybe you
should get your own house in order before you start throwing rocks at
others.
>
> CART-OWRS-CCWS alphabet soup is always playing this game. They offer a
> meaningless race and yet fail to provide a meaningless race.
In this I agree. You're absolutely right. They offer what at first
appears to be a meaningless race. Then it becomes anything BUT a
meaningless race.
So yes, CCWS fails to deliver a meaningless race from what appears to be
a meaningless venue offering. That speaks a lot for how well CCWS runs
events that they can create meaningful races from a weak appearing schedule.
But for some reason, I don't think that is the position you meant to
convey. Are you having a little trouble with those pesky language and
communication skills again?
>
> Real race car series do not play this nonsense.
So you're saying the IRL is not a real race series since the IRL has
been holding meaningless races since it was formed. It has even
demeaned the importance of its flagship event relegating it to just
another event and destroying those important traditions of Indy (a
founding principle of the IRL). Its not even the most important event
of either Memorial Day weekend or IMS.
Maybe your earlier post about your language strengths was as accurate as
your irrational rant about CART having continuing financial obligations
to Fontana.
But please keep it up. Its very entertaining. I have a great laugh at
your posts. Especially those few messages of yours that I don't have to
spend much time interpreting to English.
RickyBobby wrote:
>
> "Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
> news:UDbth.568$t61.386@newsfe03.lga...
>
>> scottscottscott wrote:
>>
>>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>>
>>>> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
>>>> Stinking thieves and liars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
>>> settled.
>>>
>>> http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
>>>
>>
>> Please!! Don't present facts in the middle of an irrational rant!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Irrational rant, your ass.
LOL...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You're so funny!! I just can't resist! So here we go....
Lets look at your post and at the facts. You said CART failed to settle
its obligations to Fontana. But you are WRONG.
That's spelled W R O N G. (not R A H N G )
Wrong. Inaccurate reporting. Invalid point of argument.
And now you've been proven to be wrong. And its not even recent news.
So that makes you wrong, out of touch and without current information.
That creates serious questions about anything you posted as fact. Since
your statement is untrue, it is irrational. And since it was posted
with a level of emotion ("Stinking thieves and liars."), that makes it a
rant.
So regardless of your claims to the contrary (with that special
reference to my cute ass, thank you!), your post was an irrational rant.
And to the statement "Stinking thieves and liars." Well, maybe you
should get your own house in order before you start throwing rocks at
others.
>
> CART-OWRS-CCWS alphabet soup is always playing this game. They offer a
> meaningless race and yet fail to provide a meaningless race.
In this I agree. You're absolutely right. They offer what at first
appears to be a meaningless race. Then it becomes anything BUT a
meaningless race.
So yes, CCWS fails to deliver a meaningless race from what appears to be
a meaningless venue offering. That speaks a lot for how well CCWS runs
events that they can create meaningful races from a weak appearing schedule.
But for some reason, I don't think that is the position you meant to
convey. Are you having a little trouble with those pesky language and
communication skills again?
>
> Real race car series do not play this nonsense.
So you're saying the IRL is not a real race series since the IRL has
been holding meaningless races since it was formed. It has even
demeaned the importance of its flagship event relegating it to just
another event and destroying those important traditions of Indy (a
founding principle of the IRL). Its not even the most important event
of either Memorial Day weekend or IMS.
Maybe your earlier post about your language strengths was as accurate as
your irrational rant about CART having continuing financial obligations
to Fontana.
But please keep it up. Its very entertaining. I have a great laugh at
your posts. Especially those few messages of yours that I don't have to
spend much time interpreting to English.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
news: 3eth.596$t61.180@newsfe03.lga...
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
>> news:UDbth.568$t61.386@newsfe03.lga...
>>
>>> scottscottscott wrote:
>>>
>>>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
>>>>> Stinking thieves and liars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
>>>> settled.
>>>>
>>>> http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please!! Don't present facts in the middle of an irrational rant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Irrational rant, your ass.
>
> LOL...
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> You're so funny!! I just can't resist! So here we go....
>
>
> Lets look at your post and at the facts. You said CART failed to settle
> its obligations to Fontana. But you are WRONG.
>
> That's spelled W R O N G. (not R A H N G )
>
> Wrong. Inaccurate reporting. Invalid point of argument.
>
> And now you've been proven to be wrong. And its not even recent news. So
> that makes you wrong, out of touch and without current information.
>
> That creates serious questions about anything you posted as fact. Since
> your statement is untrue, it is irrational. And since it was posted with
> a level of emotion ("Stinking thieves and liars."), that makes it a rant.
>
> So regardless of your claims to the contrary (with that special reference
> to my cute ass, thank you!), your post was an irrational rant.
>
>
> And to the statement "Stinking thieves and liars." Well, maybe you should
> get your own house in order before you start throwing rocks at others.
>
>
>>
>> CART-OWRS-CCWS alphabet soup is always playing this game. They offer a
>> meaningless race and yet fail to provide a meaningless race.
>
>
> In this I agree. You're absolutely right. They offer what at first
> appears to be a meaningless race. Then it becomes anything BUT a
> meaningless race.
>
> So yes, CCWS fails to deliver a meaningless race from what appears to be a
> meaningless venue offering. That speaks a lot for how well CCWS runs
> events that they can create meaningful races from a weak appearing
> schedule.
>
> But for some reason, I don't think that is the position you meant to
> convey. Are you having a little trouble with those pesky language and
> communication skills again?
>
>
>>
>> Real race car series do not play this nonsense.
>
> So you're saying the IRL is not a real race series since the IRL has been
> holding meaningless races since it was formed. It has even demeaned the
> importance of its flagship event relegating it to just another event and
> destroying those important traditions of Indy (a founding principle of the
> IRL). Its not even the most important event of either Memorial Day
> weekend or IMS.
>
>
> Maybe your earlier post about your language strengths was as accurate as
> your irrational rant about CART having continuing financial obligations to
> Fontana.
>
> But please keep it up. Its very entertaining. I have a great laugh at
> your posts. Especially those few messages of yours that I don't have to
> spend much time interpreting to English.
>
>
>
>
>
LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
with Fontana.
As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to be
in the racing business.
"Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
news: 3eth.596$t61.180@newsfe03.lga...
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
>> news:UDbth.568$t61.386@newsfe03.lga...
>>
>>> scottscottscott wrote:
>>>
>>>> RickyBobby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They still owe Fontana either a race or a refund.
>>>>> Stinking thieves and liars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As of May 10, 2005, CART's obligation to Fontana (88 Corp) had been
>>>> settled.
>>>>
>>>> http :// www .myehud,com /cartbk/docs/398.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please!! Don't present facts in the middle of an irrational rant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Irrational rant, your ass.
>
> LOL...
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> You're so funny!! I just can't resist! So here we go....
>
>
> Lets look at your post and at the facts. You said CART failed to settle
> its obligations to Fontana. But you are WRONG.
>
> That's spelled W R O N G. (not R A H N G )
>
> Wrong. Inaccurate reporting. Invalid point of argument.
>
> And now you've been proven to be wrong. And its not even recent news. So
> that makes you wrong, out of touch and without current information.
>
> That creates serious questions about anything you posted as fact. Since
> your statement is untrue, it is irrational. And since it was posted with
> a level of emotion ("Stinking thieves and liars."), that makes it a rant.
>
> So regardless of your claims to the contrary (with that special reference
> to my cute ass, thank you!), your post was an irrational rant.
>
>
> And to the statement "Stinking thieves and liars." Well, maybe you should
> get your own house in order before you start throwing rocks at others.
>
>
>>
>> CART-OWRS-CCWS alphabet soup is always playing this game. They offer a
>> meaningless race and yet fail to provide a meaningless race.
>
>
> In this I agree. You're absolutely right. They offer what at first
> appears to be a meaningless race. Then it becomes anything BUT a
> meaningless race.
>
> So yes, CCWS fails to deliver a meaningless race from what appears to be a
> meaningless venue offering. That speaks a lot for how well CCWS runs
> events that they can create meaningful races from a weak appearing
> schedule.
>
> But for some reason, I don't think that is the position you meant to
> convey. Are you having a little trouble with those pesky language and
> communication skills again?
>
>
>>
>> Real race car series do not play this nonsense.
>
> So you're saying the IRL is not a real race series since the IRL has been
> holding meaningless races since it was formed. It has even demeaned the
> importance of its flagship event relegating it to just another event and
> destroying those important traditions of Indy (a founding principle of the
> IRL). Its not even the most important event of either Memorial Day
> weekend or IMS.
>
>
> Maybe your earlier post about your language strengths was as accurate as
> your irrational rant about CART having continuing financial obligations to
> Fontana.
>
> But please keep it up. Its very entertaining. I have a great laugh at
> your posts. Especially those few messages of yours that I don't have to
> spend much time interpreting to English.
>
>
>
>
>
LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
with Fontana.
As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to be
in the racing business.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
RickyBobby wrote:
>
> LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
> with Fontana.
I think its pretty funny that you claim some level of expertise and
can't even keep up on current events. And this isn't even very current.
That's pretty consistent. You don't know much at all.
>
> As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to
> be in the racing business.
... and you can pretend to post meaningful thoughts and opinions,
pretend to be human.
RickyBobby wrote:
>
> LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
> with Fontana.
I think its pretty funny that you claim some level of expertise and
can't even keep up on current events. And this isn't even very current.
That's pretty consistent. You don't know much at all.
>
> As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to
> be in the racing business.
... and you can pretend to post meaningful thoughts and opinions,
pretend to be human.
Re: is picking a side a requirement?
"Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
news:IKnth.138$KW2.102@newsfe05.lga...
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>>
>> LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
>> with Fontana.
>
> I think its pretty funny that you claim some level of expertise and can't
> even keep up on current events. And this isn't even very current.
>
> That's pretty consistent. You don't know much at all.
>
>
>>
>> As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to
>> be in the racing business.
>
>
As long as they have no sponsors and few paying spectators they do not have
much choice in the matter. I doubt that they would be able to float another
stock issue.
They are good for one thing. The city of Las Vegas is fixing the streets in
the downtown area so they are nice and smooth. That was long overdue. That
will be one race I can see without even having to go anywhere.
"Cal Vanize" <dont.even.spam.me@myspam.org> wrote in message
news:IKnth.138$KW2.102@newsfe05.lga...
> RickyBobby wrote:
>
>>
>> LOL. That was a good one. I did not know that the wannabes had settled
>> with Fontana.
>
> I think its pretty funny that you claim some level of expertise and can't
> even keep up on current events. And this isn't even very current.
>
> That's pretty consistent. You don't know much at all.
>
>
>>
>> As long as they want to continue to pay the freight they can pretend to
>> be in the racing business.
>
>
As long as they have no sponsors and few paying spectators they do not have
much choice in the matter. I doubt that they would be able to float another
stock issue.
They are good for one thing. The city of Las Vegas is fixing the streets in
the downtown area so they are nice and smooth. That was long overdue. That
will be one race I can see without even having to go anywhere.
