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Sunday Times stirs it up

Reply from: Jon
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 01:04
Sunday Times stirs it up

British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation

http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece


This is more to the point

"...Jody Scheckter, who was one of the first to call for Mosley to stand
down, accused the motorsport press of ?running scared?. ?I was one of
relatively few prepared to speak out because of the way F1 is run, which
is very sad,? said Scheckter, who runs a 2,500-acre organic farm in
Hampshire. ?The fact is that people can?t say what they like, there
isn?t freedom of the press within F1. I was just happy the British
national newspapers came out and covered the story properly. The way it
works in F1 is that if people say something the authorities don?t like,
their paddock pass doesn?t work for a day, or they can?t get a car pass
or something. It?s ridiculous, but when something is as big as this, you
have to speak out. I was in Bahrain last week, and you?d be amazed at
the number of people who came up to me and said, ?Well done, we felt the
same?. So why wouldn?t they speak up3F.."



Reply from: News
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 01:12
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up



Jon wrote:
> British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>
> http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3736065.ece
>
>
> This is more to the point
>
> "...Jody Scheckter, who was one of the first to call for Mosley to stand
> down, accused the motorsport press of =3Frunning scared=3F. =3FI was one of
> relatively few prepared to speak out because of the way F1 is run, which
> is very sad,=3F said Scheckter, who runs a 2,500-acre organic farm in
> Hampshire. =3FThe fact is that people can=3Ft say what they like, there
> isn=3Ft freedom of the press within F1. I was just happy the British
> national newspapers came out and covered the story properly. The way it
> works in F1 is that if people say something the authorities don=3Ft like,
> their paddock pass doesn=3Ft work for a day, or they can=3Ft get a car pass
> or something. It=3Fs ridiculous, but when something is as big as this, you
> have to speak out. I was in Bahrain last week, and you=3Fd be amazed at
> the number of people who came up to me and said, =3FWell done, we felt the
> same=3F. So why wouldn=3Ft they speak up?=3F.."
>


Bravo.

Point of information: What were Scheckter's views on apartheid?

Reply from: Geoff May
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 09:19
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

News wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
> Point of information: What were Scheckter's views on apartheid?

I do (very vaguely) remember someone asking him that in the late 1970s
and, if my memory is correct, he just looked at the reporter and then
asked if anyone had any pertinent questions. Keep in mind I was in South
Africa and at school at the time and we firmly under the grip of the
South African National Party so my views and memories of that time are
definitely twisted.

Cheers

Geoff

Reply from: Doc Knutsen
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 19:07
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up


"News" <News@Group.name> skrev i melding
news:mPGdnfKkT6t53JzVnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@speakeasy,net ...
>
>
> Jon wrote:
>> British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>>
>> http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3736065.ece
>>
>>
>> This is more to the point "...Jody Scheckter, who was one of the first to
>> call for Mosley to stand down, accused the motorsport press of =3Frunning
>> scared=3F. =3FI was one of relatively few prepared to speak out because
>> of the way F1 is run, which is very sad,=3F said Scheckter, who runs a
>> 2,500-acre organic farm in Hampshire. =3FThe fact is that people can=3Ft
>> say what they like, there isn=3Ft freedom of the press within F1. I was
>> just happy the British national newspapers came out and covered the story
>> properly. The way it works in F1 is that if people say something the
>> authorities don=3Ft like, their paddock pass doesn=3Ft work for a day, or
>> they can=3Ft get a car pass or something. It=3Fs ridiculous, but when
>> something is as big as this, you have to speak out. I was in Bahrain last
>> week, and you=3Fd be amazed at the number of people who came up to me and
>> said, =3FWell done, we felt the same=3F. So why wouldn=3Ft they speak
>> up?=3F.."
>>
>
>
> Bravo.
>
> Point of information: What were Scheckter's views on apartheid?

As far as I know, Jody Scheckter is Jewish, and the FIA president flirting
with Nazi symbols will have hit him particularly hard.
I am pleased to see Damon Hill, Derek Bell and Tony Brooks having their say
as well.
Doc



Reply from: Brian Lawrence
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 19:50
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

"Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:

[snip]

> As far as I know, Jody Scheckter is Jewish, and the FIA president flirting with
> Nazi symbols will have hit him particularly hard.

There were no Nazi symbols identifiable in the video that has been made public.

--

Brian



Reply from: Doc Knutsen
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 20:52
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up


"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn,com > skrev i melding
news:66eveaF2j2j89U1@mid.individual,net ...
> "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> As far as I know, Jody Scheckter is Jewish, and the FIA president
>> flirting with Nazi symbols will have hit him particularly hard.
>
> There were no Nazi symbols identifiable in the video that has been made
> public.

I am aware of that. But to my mind, the Nazi theme is still pretty obvious.
Speaking a mixture of proper German (and pretty well, too) and "'allo,
'allo" type German..,it would be somewhere between pathetic and very sad
indeed, if it were not for the fact that it was the President of the FIA wot
dunnit.
If you do not recognize the Nazi overtones, have you any other explaination
as to why the video should arouse such strong emotions amongst the Jewish
community?
Doc
>
> --
>
> Brian
>
>



Reply from: John Briggs
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 22:15
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

Doc Knutsen wrote:
> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn,com > skrev i melding
> news:66eveaF2j2j89U1@mid.individual,net ...
>> "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> As far as I know, Jody Scheckter is Jewish, and the FIA president
>>> flirting with Nazi symbols will have hit him particularly hard.
>>
>> There were no Nazi symbols identifiable in the video that has been
>> made public.
>
> I am aware of that. But to my mind, the Nazi theme is still pretty
> obvious. Speaking a mixture of proper German (and pretty well, too)
> and "'allo, 'allo" type German..,it would be somewhere between
> pathetic and very sad indeed, if it were not for the fact that it was
> the President of the FIA wot dunnit.
> If you do not recognize the Nazi overtones, have you any other
> explaination as to why the video should arouse such strong emotions
> amongst the Jewish community?

Because the News of the World said it was a 'Nazi orgy'?
--
John Briggs



Reply from: Doc Knutsen
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 23:11
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up


"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld,com > skrev i melding
news:0StMj.79794$5i5.5358@newsfe6-gui.ntli,net ...
> Doc Knutsen wrote:
>> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn,com > skrev i melding
>> news:66eveaF2j2j89U1@mid.individual,net ...
>>> "Doc Knutsen" <doc@cheekracingDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> As far as I know, Jody Scheckter is Jewish, and the FIA president
>>>> flirting with Nazi symbols will have hit him particularly hard.
>>>
>>> There were no Nazi symbols identifiable in the video that has been
>>> made public.
>>
>> I am aware of that. But to my mind, the Nazi theme is still pretty
>> obvious. Speaking a mixture of proper German (and pretty well, too)
>> and "'allo, 'allo" type German..,it would be somewhere between
>> pathetic and very sad indeed, if it were not for the fact that it was
>> the President of the FIA wot dunnit.
>> If you do not recognize the Nazi overtones, have you any other
>> explaination as to why the video should arouse such strong emotions
>> amongst the Jewish community?
>
> Because the News of the World said it was a 'Nazi orgy'?

I do not believe the Jewish community lets the NotW set its agenda in such
matters.
Doc

> --
> John Briggs
>
>



Reply from: brafield@hotmail,com
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 19:57
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>
> http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece
>

The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
upwards, refuses to comment.

That from the last sentence of the article: I am not at all happy
with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".

Reply from: Blown
Date: 13 Apr 2008, 21:26
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT), "brafield@hotmail,com "
<brafield@hotmail,com > typed:

>On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
>> British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>>
>> http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece
>>
>
>The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
>administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
>upwards, refuses to comment.
>
>That from the last sentence of the article: I am not at all happy
>with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".

Hopefully they were talking about C.of G . !


Reply from: Peter R
Date: 14 Apr 2008, 00:27
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up


<brafield@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:28c402c0-40e5-4500-8672-6639fca3d1e3@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com ...
On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>
> http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3736065.ece
>

The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
upwards, refuses to comment.

That from the last sentence of the article: I am not at all happy
with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".

Presumably the MSA considers karting to be the lowest level.

Peter R



Reply from: Jon
Date: 14 Apr 2008, 01:07
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

Peter R wrote...

>
> <brafield@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:28c402c0-40e5-4500-8672-6639fca3d1e3@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com ...
> On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> > British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
> >
> > http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece
> >
>
> The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
> administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
> upwards, refuses to comment.
>
> That from the last sentence of the article: I am not at all happy
> with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".
>
> Presumably the MSA considers karting to be the lowest level.
>
>

If you can give us an example of someone racing F1, F2, sportscars,
whatever at a decent level, who's given it up to go karting ...




Reply from: Ian Dalziel
Date: 14 Apr 2008, 03:54
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:07:10 +0100, Jon <me@privacy,net > wrote:

>Peter R wrote...
>
>>
>> <brafield@hotmail,com > wrote in message
>> news:28c402c0-40e5-4500-8672-6639fca3d1e3@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com ...
>> On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
>> > British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>> >
>> > http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article3736065.ece
>> >
>>
>> The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
>> administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
>> upwards, refuses to comment.
>>
>> That from the last sentence of the article: I am not at all happy
>> with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".
>>
>> Presumably the MSA considers karting to be the lowest level.
>>
>>
>
>If you can give us an example of someone racing F1, F2, sportscars,
>whatever at a decent level, who's given it up to go karting ...
>

Alain Prost?


--

Ian D

Reply from: Red Indian
Date: 15 Apr 2008, 18:39
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

On 14 Apr, 00:07, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> Peter R wrote...
>
> > <brafi...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> >news:28c402c0-40e5-4500-8672-6639fca3d1e3@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com ...
> > On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> > > British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
>
> > > http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece
>
> > The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
> > administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
> > upwards, refuses to comment.
>
> > That from the last sentence of the article:  I am not at all happy
> > with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".
>
> > Presumably the MSA considers karting to be the lowest level.
>
> If you can give us an example of someone racing F1, F2, sportscars,
> whatever at a decent level, who's given it up to go karting ...

Who needs to give it up, Schumacher is quoted as saying Karting keeps
him "sharp" for F1.
Button last year "looking forward" to getting back into his kart as
part of winter training regime.

Karting is the lowest level only when it comes to cost but the biggest
bang for buck in motorsport, consider superkarts lap Laguna Seca
faster than sportscars/prototypes costing a million bucks.




Reply from: Jon
Date: 17 Apr 2008, 09:43
Re: Sunday Times stirs it up

Red Indian wrote... 

> On 14 Apr, 00:07, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> > Peter R wrote...
> >
> > > <brafi...@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> > >news:28c402c0-40e5-4500-8672-6639fca3d1e3@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com =
...
> > > On Apr 12, 4:04 pm, Jon <m...@privacy,net > wrote:
> > > > British Formula One greats call for Max Mosley's resignation
> >
> > > > http :// www .timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula 1/article3736065.ece
> >
> > > The Motor Sports Association, which is responsible for the
> > > administration of all levels of the sport in the UK from karting
> > > upwards, refuses to comment.
> >
> > > That from the last sentence of the article:  I am not at all happy
> > > with the phrase "from karting UPWARDS".
> >
> > > Presumably the MSA considers karting to be the lowest level.
> >
> > If you can give us an example of someone racing F1, F2, sportscars,
> > whatever at a decent level, who's given it up to go karting ...

> Who needs to give it up, Schumacher is quoted as saying Karting keeps
> him "sharp" for F1.

He also rode motocross bikes and horses

> Button last year "looking forward" to getting back into his kart as
> part of winter training regime.

He could soon be driving them all year round.

> Karting is the lowest level only when it comes to cost but the biggest
> bang for buck in motorsport, consider superkarts lap Laguna Seca
> faster than sportscars/prototypes costing a million bucks.


American "sportscars/prototypes" ???

Money talks in motor sport, ergo cheapest = lowest.






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