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Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel burn
phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying which
is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
loads and empty ones.
It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few years.
I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
fans for a few minutes.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel burn
phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying which
is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
loads and empty ones.
It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few years.
I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
fans for a few minutes.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
On 27 Apr, 08:49, "Dave Baker" <N...@null.com> wrote:
> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
> can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
> in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
> with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
> other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel burn
> phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
> grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying which
> is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few years.
> I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
> qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
> perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> fans for a few minutes.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
You have always been pissed of about this format or only since Fred
qualifies in front of Luis , while driving a wheelbarrow?
I though real race-fans ((c) Paul-B) would welcome the possibility of
seeing some overtaking and/or changing of relative positions during
the race.
Actually I had the notion that this was precisely the reason for it
Peace
JJBoulas
> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
> can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
> in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
> with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
> other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel burn
> phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
> grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying which
> is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few years.
> I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
> qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
> perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> fans for a few minutes.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
You have always been pissed of about this format or only since Fred
qualifies in front of Luis , while driving a wheelbarrow?
I though real race-fans ((c) Paul-B) would welcome the possibility of
seeing some overtaking and/or changing of relative positions during
the race.
Actually I had the notion that this was precisely the reason for it
Peace
JJBoulas
<jjboulas@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 27 Apr, 08:49, "Dave Baker" <N...@null.com> wrote:
>> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so
>> we
>> can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>> rank
>> in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
>> with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by
>> every
>> other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>>
>> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
>> burn
>> phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
>> grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
>> which
>> is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
>> loads and empty ones.
>>
>> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
>> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>>
>> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
>> years.
>> I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
>> qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
>> perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
>> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
>> fans for a few minutes.
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>> Puma Race Engines
>
> You have always been pissed of about this format or only since Fred
> qualifies in front of Luis , while driving a wheelbarrow?
> I though real race-fans ((c) Paul-B) would welcome the possibility of
> seeing some overtaking and/or changing of relative positions during
> the race.
> Actually I had the notion that this was precisely the reason for it
>
> Peace
>
> JJBoulas
>
>
You really do talk some utter shit.
AC
On 27 Apr, 14:49, "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> <jjbou...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> > On 27 Apr, 08:49, "Dave Baker" <N...@null.com> wrote:
> >> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so
> >> we
> >> can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
> >> rank
> >> in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
> >> with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by
> >> every
> >> other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> >> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> >> burn
> >> phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
> >> grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
> >> which
> >> is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> >> loads and empty ones.
>
> >> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> >> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> >> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> >> years.
> >> I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
> >> qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
> >> perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> >> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> >> fans for a few minutes.
> >> --
> >> Dave Baker
> >> Puma Race Engines
>
> > You have always been pissed of about this format or only since Fred
> > qualifies in front of Luis , while driving a wheelbarrow?
> > I though real race-fans ((c) Paul-B) would welcome the possibility of
> > seeing some overtaking and/or changing of relative positions during
> > the race.
> > Actually I had the notion that this was precisely the reason for it
>
> > Peace
>
> > JJBoulas
>
> You really do talk some utter shit.
>
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You know I am always about you fellas living in your own world. You
see, in reality I see it as a an exageration of a british sterotyope
that I use to take the piss a bit .
But looks to me that maybe is not an exageration at all.
Peace
JJBoulas
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> > On 27 Apr, 08:49, "Dave Baker" <N...@null.com> wrote:
> >> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so
> >> we
> >> can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
> >> rank
> >> in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
> >> with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by
> >> every
> >> other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> >> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> >> burn
> >> phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the true
> >> grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
> >> which
> >> is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> >> loads and empty ones.
>
> >> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> >> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> >> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> >> years.
> >> I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few minutes of
> >> qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final really
> >> perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> >> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> >> fans for a few minutes.
> >> --
> >> Dave Baker
> >> Puma Race Engines
>
> > You have always been pissed of about this format or only since Fred
> > qualifies in front of Luis , while driving a wheelbarrow?
> > I though real race-fans ((c) Paul-B) would welcome the possibility of
> > seeing some overtaking and/or changing of relative positions during
> > the race.
> > Actually I had the notion that this was precisely the reason for it
>
> > Peace
>
> > JJBoulas
>
> You really do talk some utter shit.
>
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You know I am always about you fellas living in your own world. You
see, in reality I see it as a an exageration of a british sterotyope
that I use to take the piss a bit .
But looks to me that maybe is not an exageration at all.
Peace
JJBoulas
On 2008-04-27, Dave Baker <Null@null.com> wrote:
> Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> fans for a few minutes.
Sure but it further ties qualifying to the race, it no longer just
decides your start position, but also your strategy for the race,
making qualifying much more relevant. I'm quite looking forward to
finding out how soon Alonso stops and knowing for sure whether the car
was running on his hot air or not, and if so, knowing that he and his
team tried for a splash of false glory rather than being mediocre for
the entire race weekend. On the other hand if he stops quite late,
then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
I'm not saying I'm pro the new format, but I'm not anti it either,
it's just different.
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> Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good to your
> fans for a few minutes.
Sure but it further ties qualifying to the race, it no longer just
decides your start position, but also your strategy for the race,
making qualifying much more relevant. I'm quite looking forward to
finding out how soon Alonso stops and knowing for sure whether the car
was running on his hot air or not, and if so, knowing that he and his
team tried for a splash of false glory rather than being mediocre for
the entire race weekend. On the other hand if he stops quite late,
then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
I'm not saying I'm pro the new format, but I'm not anti it either,
it's just different.
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Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
Alonso : 16 laps
Massa : 18 laps
Raikkonnen : 19 laps
According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
Alonso : 16 laps
Massa : 18 laps
Raikkonnen : 19 laps
According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>
>Alonso : 16 laps
>Massa : 18 laps
>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>
>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
It was certainly a good qualifying.
But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
qualifying glory?
--
Peter
>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>
>Alonso : 16 laps
>Massa : 18 laps
>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>
>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
It was certainly a good qualifying.
But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
qualifying glory?
--
Peter
peter scripsit:
> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>>
>>Alonso : 16 laps
>>Massa : 18 laps
>>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>>
>>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
>
> It was certainly a good qualifying.
> But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
> qualifying glory?
No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
would give him better position.
[*] OK, 5th was due to Heikki crash and Nick mishap but he got out of
car everything he could.
m.
> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>>
>>Alonso : 16 laps
>>Massa : 18 laps
>>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>>
>>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
>
> It was certainly a good qualifying.
> But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
> qualifying glory?
No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
would give him better position.
[*] OK, 5th was due to Heikki crash and Nick mishap but he got out of
car everything he could.
m.
On 2008-04-27, Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach@wp.pl> wrote:
> No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
> failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
> would give him better position.
Well, that track's apparently been won only from pole for many years
now, and Renault's strategy might have been to get pole then go for a
short first stint and a long second one, ISTR they did that before.
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> No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
> failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
> would give him better position.
Well, that track's apparently been won only from pole for many years
now, and Renault's strategy might have been to get pole then go for a
short first stint and a long second one, ISTR they did that before.
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In article <slrng197r8.oja.news06@desktop.tarcus.org.uk>, news06
@tarcus.org.uk says...
> Well, that track's apparently been won only from pole for many years
> now, and Renault's strategy might have been to get pole then go for a
> short first stint and a long second one, ISTR they did that before.
>
Fred pitted on lap 17 last time with Renault here, and won, iirc.
--
Alan LeHun
@tarcus.org.uk says...
> Well, that track's apparently been won only from pole for many years
> now, and Renault's strategy might have been to get pole then go for a
> short first stint and a long second one, ISTR they did that before.
>
Fred pitted on lap 17 last time with Renault here, and won, iirc.
--
Alan LeHun
Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach@wp.pl> writes
>peter scripsit:
>> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>>>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>>>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>>>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>>>
>>>Alonso : 16 laps
>>>Massa : 18 laps
>>>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>>>
>>>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>>>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
>>
>> It was certainly a good qualifying.
>> But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
>> qualifying glory?
>
>No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
>failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
>would give him better position.
Except the early pitstop saw him exit into considerable traffic.
>
>[*] OK, 5th was due to Heikki crash and Nick mishap
Thems the breaks
>but he got out of
>car everything he could.
>
Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
--
Peter
>peter scripsit:
>> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>>>Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On the other hand if he stops quite late,
>>>> then we've seen something special either from Alonso or Renault,
>>>> either way this kind of thing spices up the first leg of the race.
>>>
>>>Alonso : 16 laps
>>>Massa : 18 laps
>>>Raikkonnen : 19 laps
>>>
>>>According to Bourdais, 2 laps is only 5kg of fuel. I think one can
>>>reasonably say that Fred's lap was pretty special.
>>
>> It was certainly a good qualifying.
>> But would it be fair to say that he compromised his race strategy for
>> qualifying glory?
>
>No. Better qualify light than got stuck behind slow cars. Before engine
>failure he was going for firm 5th[*]. I cannot imagine other strategy which
>would give him better position.
Except the early pitstop saw him exit into considerable traffic.
>
>[*] OK, 5th was due to Heikki crash and Nick mishap
Thems the breaks
>but he got out of
>car everything he could.
>
Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
--
Peter
peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> >but he got out of
> >car everything he could.
> >
> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race". Particularly if you
factor in the inevitable PR and publicity element. On French TV, the
commentators were saying that Carlos Ghosn recently warned Renault F1 in
no uncertain terms that Renault must be "part of the show" i.e. not
trundling around unseen in the midfield. Or else.
For me, the strategy employed by the team this weekend was a win-win. As
far as I can see there were no real disadvantages. It boosted team
morale, it put the wind up the opposition to some extent, it boosted
Alonso in Spain, and it got plenty of "Renault are back!" press and TV.
On top of that, he was headed for a very respectable result on the track
till the engine blew.
What's not to like?
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
> >but he got out of
> >car everything he could.
> >
> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race". Particularly if you
factor in the inevitable PR and publicity element. On French TV, the
commentators were saying that Carlos Ghosn recently warned Renault F1 in
no uncertain terms that Renault must be "part of the show" i.e. not
trundling around unseen in the midfield. Or else.
For me, the strategy employed by the team this weekend was a win-win. As
far as I can see there were no real disadvantages. It boosted team
morale, it put the wind up the opposition to some extent, it boosted
Alonso in Spain, and it got plenty of "Renault are back!" press and TV.
On top of that, he was headed for a very respectable result on the track
till the engine blew.
What's not to like?
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>> >but he got out of
>> >car everything he could.
>> >
>> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
>> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
>> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
>
>Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind Barrichello
in 11th!
I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty for
Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished?
9th maybe 8th?
--
Peter
>peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>> >but he got out of
>> >car everything he could.
>> >
>> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
>> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
>> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
>
>Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind Barrichello
in 11th!
I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty for
Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished?
9th maybe 8th?
--
Peter
peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
> >peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> >> >but he got out of
> >> >car everything he could.
> >> >
> >> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
> >> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
> >> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
> >
> >Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
>
> Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind Barrichello
> in 11th!
As you saw in my post, I wasn't just talking about the on-track stuff
:-) If you factor in all the other PR stuff, then it was a very fruitful
exercise for Renault.
> I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
> back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
> qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty for
> Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished?
> 9th maybe 8th?
Difficult to say. No retirements, no Safety Cars? I think maybe 6th or
7th? I'll leave that to one of our resident stats theorists... :-)
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
> >peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> >> >but he got out of
> >> >car everything he could.
> >> >
> >> Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your ideal
> >> qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying glory against
> >> a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is questionable.
> >
> >Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
>
> Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind Barrichello
> in 11th!
As you saw in my post, I wasn't just talking about the on-track stuff
:-) If you factor in all the other PR stuff, then it was a very fruitful
exercise for Renault.
> I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
> back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
> qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty for
> Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished?
> 9th maybe 8th?
Difficult to say. No retirements, no Safety Cars? I think maybe 6th or
7th? I'll leave that to one of our resident stats theorists... :-)
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peter wrote:
> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
> >peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> > > > but he got out of
> > > > car everything he could.
> > > >
> > > Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your
> > > ideal qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying
> > > glory against a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is
> > > questionable.
> >
> > Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
>
> Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind
> Barrichello in 11th!
>
> I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
> back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
> qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty
> for Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished? 9th maybe 8th?
"1F" there had been no SC early on and/or Heikki had had his accident a
few laps earlier...where then?
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> ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
> >peter <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
> > > > but he got out of
> > > > car everything he could.
> > > >
> > > Indeed...however if you are running the 5th fastest car then your
> > > ideal qualifying position is 5th...running light for qualifying
> > > glory against a slightly heavier car for an optimum race is
> > > questionable.
> >
> > Well, it depends on how you define "optimum race".
>
> Not existing your pit stop after a short first stint behind
> Barrichello in 11th!
>
> I'm on record as having been an Alonso fan (pre-McLaren prima-donna,
> back stabbing, blackmailing days) so I was totally impressed by the
> qualifying but with no retirements for anyone (or safety car penalty
> for Heidfeld) where would Alonso have finished? 9th maybe 8th?
"1F" there had been no SC early on and/or Heikki had had his accident a
few laps earlier...where then?
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
