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Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
the world champion and the favourite for this year. Congratulations to
all concerned.
McLaren: The first comment has to be: thank goodness Heikki is OK. That
looked really horrible, and with the way the marshals were gesturing so
urgently from the second they reached the car, I really feared the
worst. After Kubica last year and Timo Glock earlier this year, it
really feels like luck is being stretched to breaking point. One of
these days it is not going to turn out all right. As for Hamilton, after
two poor races, he had a good day at the office today. Higher than third
was never on the cards without a problem for Ferrari, and he duly
delivered everything the car was capable of, with a performance that
belied the pressure he must have been starting to feel to have a decent
race. I still don't rate his chances of winning the championship this
year against a dominant Ferrari and a challenging BMW, but he should get
at least third, and second ahead of Massa is reasonably likely.
BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
yet.
Renault: As widely predicted, Alonso was indeed light, although not so
much compared with Massa. He was still only challenging for best of the
rest behind the front three teams, and it looks as if the price for that
competitiveness may be a reliability issue. Nonetheless, it was an
excellent performance from Alonso who delivered what the car is capable
of. Not so good for Piquet, who suffered from the same affliction as
Hamilton in Bahrain, making a very bad error trying to recover from a
moderately bad one.
Honourable mentions: Mark Webber, Jenson Button and Fisi. Impressive
drives by all three.
--
Richard Miller
the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
the world champion and the favourite for this year. Congratulations to
all concerned.
McLaren: The first comment has to be: thank goodness Heikki is OK. That
looked really horrible, and with the way the marshals were gesturing so
urgently from the second they reached the car, I really feared the
worst. After Kubica last year and Timo Glock earlier this year, it
really feels like luck is being stretched to breaking point. One of
these days it is not going to turn out all right. As for Hamilton, after
two poor races, he had a good day at the office today. Higher than third
was never on the cards without a problem for Ferrari, and he duly
delivered everything the car was capable of, with a performance that
belied the pressure he must have been starting to feel to have a decent
race. I still don't rate his chances of winning the championship this
year against a dominant Ferrari and a challenging BMW, but he should get
at least third, and second ahead of Massa is reasonably likely.
BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
yet.
Renault: As widely predicted, Alonso was indeed light, although not so
much compared with Massa. He was still only challenging for best of the
rest behind the front three teams, and it looks as if the price for that
competitiveness may be a reliability issue. Nonetheless, it was an
excellent performance from Alonso who delivered what the car is capable
of. Not so good for Piquet, who suffered from the same affliction as
Hamilton in Bahrain, making a very bad error trying to recover from a
moderately bad one.
Honourable mentions: Mark Webber, Jenson Button and Fisi. Impressive
drives by all three.
--
Richard Miller
Richard Miller scripsit:
> BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> yet.
This race shows IMO real problem of BMWs. It is not speed but
acceleration time. Hamilton overtook Kubica as the latter was standing
and Nick had real problems to catch Fisi after coming out of curves. BTW
very nice overtaking on outside.
m.
> BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> yet.
This race shows IMO real problem of BMWs. It is not speed but
acceleration time. Hamilton overtook Kubica as the latter was standing
and Nick had real problems to catch Fisi after coming out of curves. BTW
very nice overtaking on outside.
m.
On 27 apr, 18:34, Mikolaj Machowski <mikm...@wp.pl> wrote:
> Richard Miller scripsit:
>
> > BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> > closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> > to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> > the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> > minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> > solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> > is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> > yet.
>
> This race shows IMO real problem of BMWs. It is not speed but
> acceleration time. Hamilton overtook Kubica as the latter was standing
> and Nick had real problems to catch Fisi after coming out of curves. BTW
> very nice overtaking on outside.
>
> m.
Fisi's car is powered by Ferrari not? If so, that explains
everything :P
> Richard Miller scripsit:
>
> > BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> > closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> > to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> > the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> > minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> > solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> > is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> > yet.
>
> This race shows IMO real problem of BMWs. It is not speed but
> acceleration time. Hamilton overtook Kubica as the latter was standing
> and Nick had real problems to catch Fisi after coming out of curves. BTW
> very nice overtaking on outside.
>
> m.
Fisi's car is powered by Ferrari not? If so, that explains
everything :P
On Apr 27, 4:41 pm, Richard Miller <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
> the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
> the world champion and the favourite for this year. Congratulations to
> all concerned.
>
> McLaren: The first comment has to be: thank goodness Heikki is OK. That
> looked really horrible, and with the way the marshals were gesturing so
> urgently from the second they reached the car, I really feared the
> worst. After Kubica last year and Timo Glock earlier this year, it
> really feels like luck is being stretched to breaking point. One of
> these days it is not going to turn out all right. As for Hamilton, after
> two poor races, he had a good day at the office today. Higher than third
> was never on the cards without a problem for Ferrari, and he duly
> delivered everything the car was capable of, with a performance that
> belied the pressure he must have been starting to feel to have a decent
> race. I still don't rate his chances of winning the championship this
> year against a dominant Ferrari and a challenging BMW, but he should get
> at least third, and second ahead of Massa is reasonably likely.
Heikki's impact that at *very* high speed, and it was lucky it was in
to such a deep tire wall and virtually head on. Had either of those
not been the case this could have been very nasty indeed.
Hamilton reminds me of Jonny Wilkinson a few years ago - hyper-
critical of himself, even more so than anyone else. I think this
result, although only 3rd, will help him put some bad results behind
him.
> BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> yet.
>
> Renault: As widely predicted, Alonso was indeed light, although not so
> much compared with Massa. He was still only challenging for best of the
> rest behind the front three teams, and it looks as if the price for that
> competitiveness may be a reliability issue. Nonetheless, it was an
> excellent performance from Alonso who delivered what the car is capable
> of. Not so good for Piquet, who suffered from the same affliction as
> Hamilton in Bahrain, making a very bad error trying to recover from a
> moderately bad one.
Alonso didn't pit as early as I, and a lot of other people, thought he
would. Wasn't it just 2 laps before Massa?
Plus he was 4th in Q2.
I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
> Honourable mentions: Mark Webber, Jenson Button and Fisi. Impressive
> drives by all three.
> --
> Richard Miller
wrote:
> Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
> the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
> the world champion and the favourite for this year. Congratulations to
> all concerned.
>
> McLaren: The first comment has to be: thank goodness Heikki is OK. That
> looked really horrible, and with the way the marshals were gesturing so
> urgently from the second they reached the car, I really feared the
> worst. After Kubica last year and Timo Glock earlier this year, it
> really feels like luck is being stretched to breaking point. One of
> these days it is not going to turn out all right. As for Hamilton, after
> two poor races, he had a good day at the office today. Higher than third
> was never on the cards without a problem for Ferrari, and he duly
> delivered everything the car was capable of, with a performance that
> belied the pressure he must have been starting to feel to have a decent
> race. I still don't rate his chances of winning the championship this
> year against a dominant Ferrari and a challenging BMW, but he should get
> at least third, and second ahead of Massa is reasonably likely.
Heikki's impact that at *very* high speed, and it was lucky it was in
to such a deep tire wall and virtually head on. Had either of those
not been the case this could have been very nasty indeed.
Hamilton reminds me of Jonny Wilkinson a few years ago - hyper-
critical of himself, even more so than anyone else. I think this
result, although only 3rd, will help him put some bad results behind
him.
> BMW: A bad weekend for Nick Heidfeld. He was caught unfairly by the
> closure of the pit lane in the safety car period. That rule really needs
> to be scrapped. But even without that, he was only ever challenging for
> the lower points - he would probably have been around 5th, a good half
> minute off the front four including his team-mate. RK had another very
> solid race - albeit rather anonymous today. The evidence is that the car
> is clearly snapping at McLaren's heels, but it is just not quite there
> yet.
>
> Renault: As widely predicted, Alonso was indeed light, although not so
> much compared with Massa. He was still only challenging for best of the
> rest behind the front three teams, and it looks as if the price for that
> competitiveness may be a reliability issue. Nonetheless, it was an
> excellent performance from Alonso who delivered what the car is capable
> of. Not so good for Piquet, who suffered from the same affliction as
> Hamilton in Bahrain, making a very bad error trying to recover from a
> moderately bad one.
Alonso didn't pit as early as I, and a lot of other people, thought he
would. Wasn't it just 2 laps before Massa?
Plus he was 4th in Q2.
I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
> Honourable mentions: Mark Webber, Jenson Button and Fisi. Impressive
> drives by all three.
> --
> Richard Miller
In message
<65c6836a-50a0-43b3-ad63-d8ab4f8943e0@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Tommo <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>Alonso didn't pit as early as I, and a lot of other people, thought he
>would.
Helped at least a little bit by the safety car, though.
>Wasn't it just 2 laps before Massa?
Three, I think. Massa, in turn, was at least one and possibly two laps
ahead of Kimi, and the McLarens were a while after that. So although
McLaren can't rest on their laurels, I don't think they need panic just
yet.
>
>Plus he was 4th in Q2.
The leading teams sometimes only do one run to save tires, safe in the
knowledge that they will still be in the top ten regardless of whether
others improve a bit. So I am not convinced that that is entirely
representative of his place in the pecking order. It was still his and
Renault's best performance in qualifying this year, and deserves
significant credit. I just don't think it signals that Renault are yet
in a position to trouble the front three teams.
>
>I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
I think it was a step forward, but only to front of the ranks of the
mid-running teams. Given how little separates them, a fairly small
additional improvement relative to the others around them could deliver
a significant advantage in places on the track.
--
Richard Miller
<65c6836a-50a0-43b3-ad63-d8ab4f8943e0@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Tommo <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>Alonso didn't pit as early as I, and a lot of other people, thought he
>would.
Helped at least a little bit by the safety car, though.
>Wasn't it just 2 laps before Massa?
Three, I think. Massa, in turn, was at least one and possibly two laps
ahead of Kimi, and the McLarens were a while after that. So although
McLaren can't rest on their laurels, I don't think they need panic just
yet.
>
>Plus he was 4th in Q2.
The leading teams sometimes only do one run to save tires, safe in the
knowledge that they will still be in the top ten regardless of whether
others improve a bit. So I am not convinced that that is entirely
representative of his place in the pecking order. It was still his and
Renault's best performance in qualifying this year, and deserves
significant credit. I just don't think it signals that Renault are yet
in a position to trouble the front three teams.
>
>I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
I think it was a step forward, but only to front of the ranks of the
mid-running teams. Given how little separates them, a fairly small
additional improvement relative to the others around them could deliver
a significant advantage in places on the track.
--
Richard Miller
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
<sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
> <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
> >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
> >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
> >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>
> Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
failsafes. But then you knew that.
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
> <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
> >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
> >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
> >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>
> Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
failsafes. But then you knew that.
--
ric at pixelligence dot com
On 28 Apr, 08:51, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
> Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
> > <sxt2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
> > >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
> > >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
> > >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>
> > Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
>
> I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
> able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
> failsafes. But then you knew that.
Selective memory. Its a wonderful thing for those that want to live in
their own little world, untainted by truth and reality. That and he
probably doesn't get out much ;)
> Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
> > <sxt2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
> > >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
> > >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
> > >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>
> > Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
>
> I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
> able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
> failsafes. But then you knew that.
Selective memory. Its a wonderful thing for those that want to live in
their own little world, untainted by truth and reality. That and he
probably doesn't get out much ;)
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:51:08 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
>> <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>> >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>> >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>> >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>>
>> Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
>
>I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
>able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
>failsafes.[...]
Hardly.
First of all, no less a stuporpilot than WDC Kimi Raikkonen never
understood how clobbering the curbs with the rear wheels defeated the
millions of pounds spent in taming the torsional resonances in the
engines.
And Alonso's engine this weekend was clearly tweaked, and run on the
stops far beyond it's rated duty cycle.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
>Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), Tommo
>> <sxt2000@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >I will be interested to see if this was a step forward for Renault, or
>> >whether he was just having the race of the year in front of his home
>> >crowd. If the latter I'm sure his engineers etc will have something to
>> >say about it .... like why he can't do so well all year
>>
>> Don't forget 'and trashing his engine in the process'.
>
>I thought it had been established repeatedly that a driver hasn't been
>able to "trash" an engine since the early 90s? Far too many electronic
>failsafes.[...]
Hardly.
First of all, no less a stuporpilot than WDC Kimi Raikkonen never
understood how clobbering the curbs with the rear wheels defeated the
millions of pounds spent in taming the torsional resonances in the
engines.
And Alonso's engine this weekend was clearly tweaked, and run on the
stops far beyond it's rated duty cycle.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
<richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
>the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
>the world champion and the favourite for this year.
Run that by me again?
They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
something in the last stint.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
>the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
>the world champion and the favourite for this year.
Run that by me again?
They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
something in the last stint.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
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On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
>
> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
>
> Run that by me again?
>
> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
>
Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
needed and this while running heavier. But hey don't let facts ruin
your racist hatred towards the Finn.
> If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
> something in the last stint.
>
ROFL. If you really think Ferrari have ever let their drivers race
after last pitstop I have a bridge to sell to you,
> --
> "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
>
> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
>
> Run that by me again?
>
> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
>
Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
needed and this while running heavier. But hey don't let facts ruin
your racist hatred towards the Finn.
> If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
> something in the last stint.
>
ROFL. If you really think Ferrari have ever let their drivers race
after last pitstop I have a bridge to sell to you,
> --
> "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
wrote:
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>On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
>> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
>> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
>> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
>>
>> Run that by me again?
>>
>> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
>
>Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>needed and this while running heavier.
1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
thousandths.
>But hey don't let facts ruin your racist hatred towards the Finn.
Craphound, heal thyself.
>> If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
>> something in the last stint.
>>
>ROFL. If you really think Ferrari have ever let their drivers race
>after last pitstop I have a bridge to sell to you,
Not even a fanciful conjecture, thanks to the idiotic English engine
rules.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
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>On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
>> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As between
>> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and not Massa is
>> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
>>
>> Run that by me again?
>>
>> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
>
>Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>needed and this while running heavier.
1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
thousandths.
>But hey don't let facts ruin your racist hatred towards the Finn.
Craphound, heal thyself.
>> If it weren't for the English engine rules we might have seen
>> something in the last stint.
>>
>ROFL. If you really think Ferrari have ever let their drivers race
>after last pitstop I have a bridge to sell to you,
Not even a fanciful conjecture, thanks to the idiotic English engine
rules.
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Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
> >> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As
> between >> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and
> not Massa is >> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
> > >
> >> Run that by me again?
> > >
> >> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
> >
> > Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
> > needed and this while running heavier.
>
> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
> thousandths.
>
Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
and then he did it again after the SC.
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
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> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
> >On 28 huhti, 01:09, Raoul Duke <Owl.F...@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:41:44 +0100, Richard Miller
> >> <rich...@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >Ferrari: The perfect weekend. Pole position and a 1-2 finish. As
> between >> >the two of them, Kimi once again demonstrated why he and
> not Massa is >> >the world champion and the favourite for this year.
> > >
> >> Run that by me again?
> > >
> >> They were running within thousandths of a second all race.
> >
> > Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
> > needed and this while running heavier.
>
> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
> thousandths.
>
Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
and then he did it again after the SC.
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
Bigbird wrote:
> Raoul Duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>>> needed and this while running heavier.
>> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
>> thousandths.
>>
>
> Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
>
> and then he did it again after the SC.
>
> http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
>
> Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
Rearrange this well known phrase: "straws Clutching at."
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> Raoul Duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>>> needed and this while running heavier.
>> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
>> thousandths.
>>
>
> Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
>
> and then he did it again after the SC.
>
> http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
>
> Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
Rearrange this well known phrase: "straws Clutching at."
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:54:55 +0200, Phil Newnham <pnewnham@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Bigbird wrote:
>> Raoul Duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>>>> needed and this while running heavier.
>>> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
>>> thousandths.
>>>
>>
>> Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
>>
>> and then he did it again after the SC.
>>
>> http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
>>
>> Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
>
>Rearrange this well known phrase: "straws Clutching at."
Are you two fucking imbeciles really too abjectly stupid to comprehend
the disadvantage in following in an equal modern F1 car?
In addition to not understanding your own reference.
Really?
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wrote:
>Bigbird wrote:
>> Raoul Duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT), DrEvil <mph2001@my-deja.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Kimi was always able to pull 0.3-0.4s a lap on Massa at will when
>>>> needed and this while running heavier.
>>> 1 lap heavier at best, and every time Massa came back within
>>> thousandths.
>>>
>>
>> Yup, just 3752 thousandth adrift after 22 laps...
>>
>> and then he did it again after the SC.
>>
>> http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1201241668__ESP_08_Race_History_Chart.pdf
>>
>> Did someone really take this dipshit seriously.
>
>Rearrange this well known phrase: "straws Clutching at."
Are you two fucking imbeciles really too abjectly stupid to comprehend
the disadvantage in following in an equal modern F1 car?
In addition to not understanding your own reference.
Really?
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