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The new Ferrari nose
How effective is it?
What circuits will it be most effective at?
It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
to a race and which race?
Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
Thoughts.
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How effective is it?
What circuits will it be most effective at?
It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
to a race and which race?
Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
Thoughts.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Bigbird wrote:
> How effective is it?
>
> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>
> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
> to a race and which race?
>
> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>
> Thoughts.
>
The nose works with the way Ferrari have designed the front wing. It
is not an "add on" but a careful evolution that started with the new
front wing centre section last season. It was one of the big concerns
they had inthe McRacing incident last year, that the wing, nose did
not make it onto the McRacing car. It is a pretty neat solution to a
bunch of front end problems and it works with every other bit on the
bodywork. It would take a lot of changes on the other cars to make it
work the same way. Because it is part of the bodywork it should be Ok
for next year too. Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
Bigbird wrote:
> How effective is it?
>
> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>
> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
> to a race and which race?
>
> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>
> Thoughts.
>
The nose works with the way Ferrari have designed the front wing. It
is not an "add on" but a careful evolution that started with the new
front wing centre section last season. It was one of the big concerns
they had inthe McRacing incident last year, that the wing, nose did
not make it onto the McRacing car. It is a pretty neat solution to a
bunch of front end problems and it works with every other bit on the
bodywork. It would take a lot of changes on the other cars to make it
work the same way. Because it is part of the bodywork it should be Ok
for next year too. Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx wrote...
> Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
>
Wow, and there was me believing each team started from scratch each
season.
Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx wrote...
> Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
>
Wow, and there was me believing each team started from scratch each
season.
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Jon wrote:
> Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx wrote...
>
>
> > Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> > time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> > next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> > are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
> >
>
>
> Wow, and there was me believing each team started from scratch each
> season.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending in my comments, if I was, my
apologies.
Jon wrote:
> Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx wrote...
>
>
> > Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> > time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> > next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> > are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
> >
>
>
> Wow, and there was me believing each team started from scratch each
> season.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending in my comments, if I was, my
apologies.
Re: The new Ferrari nose
"Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.kulczycki@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:edcd3cbe-09a8-46c3-95e8-ac2fa4548d5d@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
>> How effective is it?
>>
>> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>>
>> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
>> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
>> to a race and which race?
>>
>> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>
> The nose works with the way Ferrari have designed the front wing. It
> is not an "add on" but a careful evolution that started with the new
> front wing centre section last season. It was one of the big concerns
> they had inthe McRacing incident last year, that the wing, nose did
> not make it onto the McRacing car. It is a pretty neat solution to a
> bunch of front end problems and it works with every other bit on the
> bodywork. It would take a lot of changes on the other cars to make it
> work the same way. Because it is part of the bodywork it should be Ok
> for next year too. Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
Very interesting.
However, if Mclaren had these designs last year then they could possibly
have a solution on the drawing board that is ready to implement a short time
after Ferrari first unveiled it in public. That said, with all of last years
attention it would be bloody hard to actually make that work.
I reckon Mclaren might be the last to introduce it if it applies to their
overall concept. Like Renault and the J Damper they would probably want to
be seen to be the last to adopt it, thus dispelling any notion of them
benefiting from what ever Ferrari data they had.
AC
"Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.kulczycki@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:edcd3cbe-09a8-46c3-95e8-ac2fa4548d5d@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
>> How effective is it?
>>
>> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>>
>> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
>> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
>> to a race and which race?
>>
>> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>
> The nose works with the way Ferrari have designed the front wing. It
> is not an "add on" but a careful evolution that started with the new
> front wing centre section last season. It was one of the big concerns
> they had inthe McRacing incident last year, that the wing, nose did
> not make it onto the McRacing car. It is a pretty neat solution to a
> bunch of front end problems and it works with every other bit on the
> bodywork. It would take a lot of changes on the other cars to make it
> work the same way. Because it is part of the bodywork it should be Ok
> for next year too. Ferrari thinks at ahead to the next year all the
> time. This years car is as much of a race car as it is a test bed for
> next years car, Next year's car is the basis for the next year. There
> are never any big changes, just constant development and improvement.
Very interesting.
However, if Mclaren had these designs last year then they could possibly
have a solution on the drawing board that is ready to implement a short time
after Ferrari first unveiled it in public. That said, with all of last years
attention it would be bloody hard to actually make that work.
I reckon Mclaren might be the last to introduce it if it applies to their
overall concept. Like Renault and the J Damper they would probably want to
be seen to be the last to adopt it, thus dispelling any notion of them
benefiting from what ever Ferrari data they had.
AC
Re: The new Ferrari nose
AC wrote:
> However, if Mclaren had these designs last year then they could possibly
> have a solution on the drawing board that is ready to implement a short time
> after Ferrari first unveiled it in public. That said, with all of last years
> attention it would be bloody hard to actually make that work.
>
> I reckon Mclaren might be the last to introduce it if it applies to their
> overall concept. Like Renault and the J Damper they would probably want to
> be seen to be the last to adopt it, thus dispelling any notion of them
> benefiting from what ever Ferrari data they had.
It's highly doubtful that given that it was public knowledge, that
Ferrari themselves have said it's been in the public domain that they
would do this for a while, that they could then accuse McLaren of
developing a similar nose from something that was secret. In any case it
might not work with McLaren's front package - Ferrari say that it helps
the flow under the car, and McLaren might not have the same problem
around the underside of their nose or to a different extent that means
it isn't an issue for them. The McLaren nose is much lower than
Ferrari's and the flowfield there will be significantly different.
--
Phil
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AC wrote:
> However, if Mclaren had these designs last year then they could possibly
> have a solution on the drawing board that is ready to implement a short time
> after Ferrari first unveiled it in public. That said, with all of last years
> attention it would be bloody hard to actually make that work.
>
> I reckon Mclaren might be the last to introduce it if it applies to their
> overall concept. Like Renault and the J Damper they would probably want to
> be seen to be the last to adopt it, thus dispelling any notion of them
> benefiting from what ever Ferrari data they had.
It's highly doubtful that given that it was public knowledge, that
Ferrari themselves have said it's been in the public domain that they
would do this for a while, that they could then accuse McLaren of
developing a similar nose from something that was secret. In any case it
might not work with McLaren's front package - Ferrari say that it helps
the flow under the car, and McLaren might not have the same problem
around the underside of their nose or to a different extent that means
it isn't an issue for them. The McLaren nose is much lower than
Ferrari's and the flowfield there will be significantly different.
--
Phil
* w w w .flickr . com /photos/tmc1979/
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Bigbird wrote:
> How effective is it?
>
> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>
> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
> to a race and which race?
>
> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>
> Thoughts.
>
The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at high-downforce
circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful at Montreal or Monza.
Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
* en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Bigbird wrote:
> How effective is it?
>
> What circuits will it be most effective at?
>
> It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring one
> to a race and which race?
>
> Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
>
> Thoughts.
>
The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at high-downforce
circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful at Montreal or Monza.
Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
* en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: The new Ferrari nose
forty wrote:
> Bigbird wrote:
> > How effective is it?
> >
> > What circuits will it be most effective at?
> >
> > It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> > have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring
> > one to a race and which race?
> >
> > Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
> >
> > Thoughts.
> >
>
> The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful
> at Montreal or Monza.
>
Or Monaco.
> Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
I would imagine that the concept would quickly show up to be good, bad
or indifferent on each circuit in wind-tunnel tests.
--
Paul-B
forty wrote:
> Bigbird wrote:
> > How effective is it?
> >
> > What circuits will it be most effective at?
> >
> > It's been known about for a while so one would expect other teams to
> > have evaluated/re-evaluated the design. Who might be next to bring
> > one to a race and which race?
> >
> > Is it more applicable to some cars than others?
> >
> > Thoughts.
> >
>
> The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful
> at Montreal or Monza.
>
Or Monaco.
> Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
I would imagine that the concept would quickly show up to be good, bad
or indifferent on each circuit in wind-tunnel tests.
--
Paul-B
Re: The new Ferrari nose
forty wrote:
> The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at high-downforce
> circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful at Montreal or Monza.
Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
> Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
major body modification so quickly. I'd have thought it would require a
chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part of
the chassis.
Yousuf Khan
forty wrote:
> The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at high-downforce
> circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very useful at Montreal or Monza.
Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
> Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
major body modification so quickly. I'd have thought it would require a
chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part of
the chassis.
Yousuf Khan
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Yousuf Khan wrote:
> forty wrote:
> > The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> > high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
> > useful at Montreal or Monza.
>
> Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>
> > Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> > * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>
>
> That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
> major body modification so quickly.
How quickly are you assuming?
> I'd have thought it would require
> a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part
> of the chassis.
>
Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
> forty wrote:
> > The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> > high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
> > useful at Montreal or Monza.
>
> Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>
> > Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
> > * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>
>
> That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
> major body modification so quickly.
How quickly are you assuming?
> I'd have thought it would require
> a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part
> of the chassis.
>
Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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Re: The new Ferrari nose
Bigbird wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>
>
>>forty wrote:
>>
>>>The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
>>>high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
>>>useful at Montreal or Monza.
>>
>>Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>>
>>
>>>Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
>>> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>>
>>
>>That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
>>major body modification so quickly.
>
>
> How quickly are you assuming?
>
>
>>I'd have thought it would require
>>a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part
>>of the chassis.
>>
>
>
> Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
>
Why so?
Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
tested).
Bigbird wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>
>
>>forty wrote:
>>
>>>The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
>>>high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
>>>useful at Montreal or Monza.
>>
>>Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>>
>>
>>>Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a go:
>>> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>>
>>
>>That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate such a
>>major body modification so quickly.
>
>
> How quickly are you assuming?
>
>
>>I'd have thought it would require
>>a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main part
>>of the chassis.
>>
>
>
> Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
>
Why so?
Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
tested).
Re: The new Ferrari nose
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:34 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>Why so?
>
>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>tested).
Are you talking about Kubica ?
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:34 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>Why so?
>
>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>tested).
Are you talking about Kubica ?
Re: The new Ferrari nose
Plant a tree wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:34 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Why so?
>>
>>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>>tested).
>
>
> Are you talking about Kubica ?
Do I sound like McRon?
Plant a tree wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:34 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Why so?
>>
>>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>>tested).
>
>
> Are you talking about Kubica ?
Do I sound like McRon?
Re: The new Ferrari nose
News wrote:
>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
>
> > Yousuf Khan wrote:
> >
> >
> > > forty wrote:
> > >
> > > > The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> > > > high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
> > > > useful at Montreal or Monza.
> > >
> > > Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a
> > > > go:
> > > >
* en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > > That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate
> > > such a major body modification so quickly.
> >
> >
> > How quickly are you assuming?
> >
> >
> > > I'd have thought it would require
> > > a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main
> > > part of the chassis.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
> >
>
>
> Why so?
>
> Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
> tested).
Because the tech regs stipulate it. "Push off".
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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News wrote:
>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
>
> > Yousuf Khan wrote:
> >
> >
> > > forty wrote:
> > >
> > > > The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
> > > > high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
> > > > useful at Montreal or Monza.
> > >
> > > Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a
> > > > go:
> > > >
* en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > > That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate
> > > such a major body modification so quickly.
> >
> >
> > How quickly are you assuming?
> >
> >
> > > I'd have thought it would require
> > > a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main
> > > part of the chassis.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
> >
>
>
> Why so?
>
> Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
> tested).
Because the tech regs stipulate it. "Push off".
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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Re: The new Ferrari nose
Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Bigbird wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>forty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
>>>>>high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
>>>>>useful at Montreal or Monza.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a
>>>>>go:
>>>>>
>
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>
>>>>
>>>>That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate
>>>>such a major body modification so quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>>How quickly are you assuming?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'd have thought it would require
>>>>a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main
>>>>part of the chassis.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Why so?
>>
>>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>>tested).
>
>
> Because the tech regs stipulate it. "Push off".
>
Fine, not that it tells anyone very much, go splinter one, and then
"shove it".
Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Bigbird wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>forty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The concept would seem to derive the greatest benefit at
>>>>>high-downforce circuits, so I'd bet that it wouldn't be very
>>>>>useful at Montreal or Monza.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting, I guess we will see at those circuits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Also, it looks like BMW is interested in giving the concept a
>>>>>go:
>>>>>
>
> * en.f1-live . com /f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080430100518.shtml
>
>>>>
>>>>That's amazing, that they could engineer, test and incorporate
>>>>such a major body modification so quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>>How quickly are you assuming?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'd have thought it would require
>>>>a chassis recertification, but I guess it works around the main
>>>>part of the chassis.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Crash testing would of course be required before it could be used.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Why so?
>>
>>Like any nose, it is a replaceable bolt-on to the tub (which is crash
>>tested).
>
>
> Because the tech regs stipulate it. "Push off".
>
Fine, not that it tells anyone very much, go splinter one, and then
"shove it".
