Safety Car nonsense will continue

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67018

"Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
said the change may not come until next season.
"Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
admitted."


It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
the rulz are changing.


WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?

F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.

"Jon" <me@privvy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67018
>
> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> said the change may not come until next season.
> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> admitted."
>
>
> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> the rulz are changing.
>
>
> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.

Of course it is!

FIAerrari and Max are bosom buddy's don't forget.

They get ALL the inside info directly from him long before the other teams.

"Jon" <me@privvy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
|
| http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67018
|
| "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
| said the change may not come until next season.
| "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
| possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
| admitted."
|
|
| It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
| the rulz are changing.

If Ferrari need to re-fuel under safety, that rule will be changed by the
end of the race.

pOB

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:54:34 +0100, Jon <me@privvy.net> wrote:

>
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67018
>
>"Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>said the change may not come until next season.
>"Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>admitted."
>
>
>It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>the rulz are changing.
>
>
>WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
>F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>
Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
Tuesday... :-)

--

Regards, Frank

Frank Adam wrote:
> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
> Tuesday... :-)

Maybe they should amend the rule thusly: During the period in which the
pits are initially closed during SC periods, emergency refueling is
permitted only if the car is at risk of running out of fuel. No other
work may be performed. (debate could be raised about, should the amount
of fuel be limited to a small amount, just enough to allow the car to
circle until the pits open, or allow them to take a full load).

Second option: a reserve tank that may only be accessed during SC
periods. Electronic valve controls can be put in place to prevent
access except when a signal is sent when the SC is called. The valve
would re-close one lap after the restart (to allow drivers to get into
the pits, should the be on the reserve).

Just ideas...

"Who Needs Fenders?" <yea.right@ncih.borg> wrote in message
news:aA1Sj.4$W%6.0@fe195.usenetserver.com...
> Maybe they should amend the rule thusly: During the period in which the
> pits are initially closed during SC periods, emergency refueling is
> permitted only if the car is at risk of running out of fuel. No other
> work may be performed. (debate could be raised about, should the amount of
> fuel be limited to a small amount, just enough to allow the car to circle
> until the pits open, or allow them to take a full load).


So allow them to refuel, but not to change the tyres... interesting...

Paul

On 2008-05-01, Paul Ian Harman <chatterbox@doctorwhowebguide.net> wrote:
> "Who Needs Fenders?" <yea.right@ncih.borg> wrote in message
> news:aA1Sj.4$W%6.0@fe195.usenetserver.com...
>> Maybe they should amend the rule thusly: During the period in which the
>> pits are initially closed during SC periods, emergency refueling is
>> permitted only if the car is at risk of running out of fuel. No other
>> work may be performed. (debate could be raised about, should the amount of
>> fuel be limited to a small amount, just enough to allow the car to circle
>> until the pits open, or allow them to take a full load).
>
>
> So allow them to refuel, but not to change the tyres... interesting...

That's almost equivalent to giving them a stop-go penalty, taken under
the safety car...

--
David Taylor

"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
> Tuesday... :-)
>

why not just keep the pits open?

FB

"FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed.com> wrote in news:Ol2Sj.9415$3V.4086
@fe161.usenetserver.com:

>
> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
> news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
>> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
>> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
>> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
>> Tuesday... :-)
>>
>
> why not just keep the pits open?

It's because of the risk of compounding the incident the SC has been called
out for when someone still effectively racing heads for the pits to get a
better position on leaving them.

--
CatharticF1

The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton

CatharticF1 scripsit:
> "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed.com> wrote in news:Ol2Sj.9415$3V.4086
> @fe161.usenetserver.com:
>
>> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
>> news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
>>> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
>>> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
>>> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
>>> Tuesday... :-)
>>>
>> why not just keep the pits open?
>
> It's because of the risk of compounding the incident the SC has been called
> out for when someone still effectively racing heads for the pits to get a
> better position on leaving them.

That could be partially fixed by quicker opening of pit-lane. I've had
an impression (although only that) in Barcelona pits stayed close very
long.

In addition this explanation is nulled by another rule of Safety Car
- possibility for lapped(?) cars to regain lost laps. In effect these
cars are "effectively racing".

m.

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:52:44 -0300, "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed.com>
wrote:

>
>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
>news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
>> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
>> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
>> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
>> Tuesday... :-)
>>
>
>why not just keep the pits open?
>
What Brendan said.
However, if the teams were compulsed to refuel with 3 laps of fuel
remaining, then ran dry during an SC period, it would be plain their
fault and couldn't cry except into their own hankies.
In addition could be found in breach of the rules to enforce the rule
to them and others who might want to go lower than 3 laps of fuel.
It is so simple it will never happen.

--

Regards, Frank

Frank Adam <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in
news:kubi14pse5esv0f90fapc0i15iq0719c6p@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:52:44 -0300, "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
>>news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
>>> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
>>> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
>>> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
>>> Tuesday... :-)
>>>
>>
>>why not just keep the pits open?
>>
> What Brendan said.
> However, if the teams were compulsed to refuel with 3 laps of fuel
> remaining, then ran dry during an SC period, it would be plain their
> fault and couldn't cry except into their own hankies.
> In addition could be found in breach of the rules to enforce the rule
> to them and others who might want to go lower than 3 laps of fuel.
> It is so simple it will never happen.

Does the FIA know how much fuel they have now or do they merely prevent the
first 10 cars from changing their fuel load? I think the latter. So I
suppose you'd have to have a means of policing it, and then the loopholes
come in.

I'd suggest allowing refuelling but not tyre changes.


--
CatharticF1

The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton

CatharticF1 wrote...


>
> I'd suggest allowing refuelling but not tyre changes.
>
>
>


That's about as stupid a suggestion as I've seen here.

Jon wrote:

> CatharticF1 wrote...
>
>
> >
> > I'd suggest allowing refuelling but not tyre changes.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> That's about as stupid a suggestion as I've seen here.

Don't be so modest.

--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3

On 1 May 2008 13:41:02 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1poster@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Frank Adam <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in
>news:kubi14pse5esv0f90fapc0i15iq0719c6p@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:52:44 -0300, "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote
>>>news:1b1h145oqrvqss8jisu67n211khrudndhk@4ax.com...
>>>> Simplest rule addition. Each car must refuel with at least 2-3 laps of
>>>> fuel still onboard. For "safety reasons". We don't want the safety car
>>>> runing into a stalled F1 car.. It could be wet and Tuesday and if it's
>>>> Tuesday... :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>why not just keep the pits open?
>>>
>> What Brendan said.
>> However, if the teams were compulsed to refuel with 3 laps of fuel
>> remaining, then ran dry during an SC period, it would be plain their
>> fault and couldn't cry except into their own hankies.
>> In addition could be found in breach of the rules to enforce the rule
>> to them and others who might want to go lower than 3 laps of fuel.
>> It is so simple it will never happen.
>
>Does the FIA know how much fuel they have now or do they merely prevent the
>first 10 cars from changing their fuel load? I think the latter. So I
>suppose you'd have to have a means of policing it, and then the loopholes
>come in.
>
Oh look, i don't think of it as a rule having to be enforced at all
times. Perhaps, it could be defined as a safety recommendation, but
when situations like this occur, the teams could not blame the SC or
the procedure.
IOW, if i tell you to not jump in front of a moving truck... don't
blame me if it hits you, when you do. :)

>I'd suggest allowing refuelling but not tyre changes.
>
But that requires the pit to be opened, which goes dead against the
safety aspects you mentioned earlier..

What i say is that they keep the current procedures and once the cars
are all under the SC's control, then open up the pits and let them do
what they want. If they have 3 laps worth of fuel, this should not be
a problem.
Of course this would create Nascar like pit rushes, but i actually
like watching that.. :)

--

Regards, Frank