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Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco
Written by: Adam Cooper
RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
Paris, France
The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by it,
as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s Australian
GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped when he
pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue, behind
drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and came in a lap
earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in contrast Sebastien
Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging back and popping straight
into the pit lane when it opened.
The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all have
added their voices to the complaints.
“This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen told
SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other drivers were
affected already. I know the team managers and the FIA are talking
already about how to modify the rule.”
While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system – the
standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should always
leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety car comes out,
something that McLaren has done regularly – sources suggest that there
the FIA is now very receptive to change.
That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
“safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.
The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of ensuring
that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
completed until mid-August.
The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of the
lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds, drivers
will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40 seconds. They can
go as fast as they want to in the “clear” sectors.
This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco if all
the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission and the
World Motor Sport Council.
The principle of using sector or lap times has already been established
with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid, and more recently
the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs, following the Malaysian
controversy. However in those cases the FIA wants the drivers to go
faster, and thus employs maximum times.
There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-could-change-by-monaco/
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
Paris, France
The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by it,
as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s Australian
GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped when he
pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue, behind
drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and came in a lap
earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in contrast Sebastien
Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging back and popping straight
into the pit lane when it opened.
The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all have
added their voices to the complaints.
“This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen told
SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other drivers were
affected already. I know the team managers and the FIA are talking
already about how to modify the rule.”
While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system – the
standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should always
leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety car comes out,
something that McLaren has done regularly – sources suggest that there
the FIA is now very receptive to change.
That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
“safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.
The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of ensuring
that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
completed until mid-August.
The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of the
lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds, drivers
will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40 seconds. They can
go as fast as they want to in the “clear” sectors.
This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco if all
the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission and the
World Motor Sport Council.
The principle of using sector or lap times has already been established
with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid, and more recently
the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs, following the Malaysian
controversy. However in those cases the FIA wants the drivers to go
faster, and thus employs maximum times.
There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-could-change-by-monaco/
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
forty wrote:
> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>
> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>
> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't do
this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:46:19 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>
>forty wrote:
>> Written by: Adam Cooper
>> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
>> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> Paris, France
>>
>> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
>> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>>
>> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
>> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
>
>Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't do
>this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
>
Fucking stupid idea, innit.
What sort of leway will be given in those times ? Or will it be a hard
set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
caught out here or there by under shooting it ?
Then what, a stop and go ? What's the difference between that and
having a stop and go for pitting in a closed pit lane ?
Which is more likely to occur ?
Will there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the
revs, braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the
higher sector times ?
So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
--
Regards, Frank
>
>
>forty wrote:
>> Written by: Adam Cooper
>> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
>> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> Paris, France
>>
>> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
>> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>>
>> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
>> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
>
>Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't do
>this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
>
Fucking stupid idea, innit.
What sort of leway will be given in those times ? Or will it be a hard
set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
caught out here or there by under shooting it ?
Then what, a stop and go ? What's the difference between that and
having a stop and go for pitting in a closed pit lane ?
Which is more likely to occur ?
Will there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the
revs, braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the
higher sector times ?
So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
--
Regards, Frank
Frank Adam wrote:
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:46:19 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > forty wrote:
> >> Written by: Adam Cooper
> >> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> >> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> >> Paris, France
> >>
> >> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> >> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
> >>
> >> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum
> sector >> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the
> pits.
> >
> >
> > Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't
> > do this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
> >
> Fucking stupid idea, innit.
> What sort of leway will be given in those times ?
None
> Or will it be a hard
> set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
> caught out here or there by under shooting it ?
> Then what, a stop and go ? What's the difference between that and
> having a stop and go for pitting in a closed pit lane ?
Well one depends on luck, the other on judgement. Avoiding this would
relatively simple and only have any affect when a SC was called.
Avoiding pitting while lane is closed involves luck or carrying at
least 3 extra laps of fuel for the majority of the race *and* affects
every race of the season regardless of whther the SC is implemented.
There's a start anyway.
> Which is more likely to occur ?
> Will there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the
> revs, braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the
> higher sector times ?
>
> So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
>
It's a process.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:46:19 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > forty wrote:
> >> Written by: Adam Cooper
> >> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> >> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> >> Paris, France
> >>
> >> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> >> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
> >>
> >> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum
> sector >> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the
> pits.
> >
> >
> > Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't
> > do this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
> >
> Fucking stupid idea, innit.
> What sort of leway will be given in those times ?
None
> Or will it be a hard
> set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
> caught out here or there by under shooting it ?
> Then what, a stop and go ? What's the difference between that and
> having a stop and go for pitting in a closed pit lane ?
Well one depends on luck, the other on judgement. Avoiding this would
relatively simple and only have any affect when a SC was called.
Avoiding pitting while lane is closed involves luck or carrying at
least 3 extra laps of fuel for the majority of the race *and* affects
every race of the season regardless of whther the SC is implemented.
There's a start anyway.
> Which is more likely to occur ?
> Will there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the
> revs, braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the
> higher sector times ?
>
> So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
>
It's a process.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fppoeon04jz004@news.individual.net...
> Frank Adam wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:46:19 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > forty wrote:
>> >> Written by: Adam Cooper
>> >> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
>> >> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> >> Paris, France
>> >>
>> >> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
>> >> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>> >>
>> >> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum
>> sector >> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the
>> pits.
>> >
>> >
>> > Max sector times during qually, min sector times during SC. Can't
>> > do this, must do that... Time to deregulate F1.
>> >
>> Fucking stupid idea, innit.
>> What sort of leway will be given in those times ?
>
> None
>
>> Or will it be a hard
>> set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
>> caught out here or there by under shooting it ?
>> Then what, a stop and go ? What's the difference between that and
>> having a stop and go for pitting in a closed pit lane ?
>
> Well one depends on luck, the other on judgement. Avoiding this would
> relatively simple and only have any affect when a SC was called.
> Avoiding pitting while lane is closed involves luck or carrying at
> least 3 extra laps of fuel for the majority of the race *and* affects
> every race of the season regardless of whther the SC is implemented.
>
> There's a start anyway.
>
>> Which is more likely to occur ?
>> Will there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the
>> revs, braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the
>> higher sector times ?
>>
>> So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
>>
>
> It's a process.
>
To create idiots?
AC
In message <n0mm14tunu66fvr2k8ltvuh3t28voo7nkn@4ax.com>, Frank Adam
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> writes
>Fucking stupid idea, innit.
>What sort of leway will be given in those times ? Or will it be a hard
>set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
>caught out here or there by under shooting it ? Then what, a stop and
>go ? What's the difference between that and having a stop and go for
>pitting in a closed pit lane ? Which is more likely to occur ? Will
>there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the revs,
>braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the higher
>sector times ?
>
>So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
I pretty much agree, but at least this idea gives drivers a reasonable
chance of avoiding a penalty, which under the current arrangements they
do not have at all.
--
Richard Miller
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> writes
>Fucking stupid idea, innit.
>What sort of leway will be given in those times ? Or will it be a hard
>set figure, which each driver will try and just not equal, only to be
>caught out here or there by under shooting it ? Then what, a stop and
>go ? What's the difference between that and having a stop and go for
>pitting in a closed pit lane ? Which is more likely to occur ? Will
>there be an extra practice session to let the drivers find the revs,
>braking points and gears required at each point to achieve the higher
>sector times ?
>
>So many questions and so many idiots in the FIA.
I pretty much agree, but at least this idea gives drivers a reasonable
chance of avoiding a penalty, which under the current arrangements they
do not have at all.
--
Richard Miller
Another solution could be to install small markers with lights at 100m
intervals around the track.
When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds to
give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would be
100kph)
If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps, they
would get a stop go.
It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean the
pits can be left open as per normal.
Chad
intervals around the track.
When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds to
give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would be
100kph)
If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps, they
would get a stop go.
It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean the
pits can be left open as per normal.
Chad
Chad wrote...
> Another solution could be to install small markers with lights at 100m
> intervals around the track.
>
> When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds to
> give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would be
> 100kph)
>
> If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps, they
> would get a stop go.
>
> It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean the
> pits can be left open as per normal.
>
>
Why not chuck in a few pedestian crossings too.
> Another solution could be to install small markers with lights at 100m
> intervals around the track.
>
> When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds to
> give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would be
> 100kph)
>
> If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps, they
> would get a stop go.
>
> It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean the
> pits can be left open as per normal.
>
>
Why not chuck in a few pedestian crossings too.
"Jon" <me@privvy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.2285949b7f1770619896ff@66.250.146.159...
> Chad wrote...
>
>> Another solution could be to install small markers with lights at 100m
>> intervals around the track.
>>
>> When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds
>> to
>> give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would
>> be
>> 100kph)
>>
>> If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps,
>> they
>> would get a stop go.
>>
>> It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean
>> the
>> pits can be left open as per normal.
>>
>>
>
>
> Why not chuck in a few pedestian crossings too.
>
>
Already have some on street circuits... they don't seem to have helped.
news:MPG.2285949b7f1770619896ff@66.250.146.159...
> Chad wrote...
>
>> Another solution could be to install small markers with lights at 100m
>> intervals around the track.
>>
>> When a full course yellow is called these change colour every 3.6 seconds
>> to
>> give the drivers a marker of how fast they can go... (3.6 seconds would
>> be
>> 100kph)
>>
>> If a driver passed more than 1 of these "early" during the safety laps,
>> they
>> would get a stop go.
>>
>> It would not only manintain the spacings between the cars but would mean
>> the
>> pits can be left open as per normal.
>>
>>
>
>
> Why not chuck in a few pedestian crossings too.
>
>
Already have some on street circuits... they don't seem to have helped.
...Stuff it up your cocksucking sissy-Mary little nanny state ass?
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
The easiest way out is to have each car carry enough fuel for the
entire race from the start.
entire race from the start.
forty wrote:
> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>
> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>
> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
> The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
> stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
> Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by it,
> as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
>
> The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s Australian
> GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
>
> In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped when he
> pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue, behind
> drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and came in a lap
> earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in contrast Sebastien
> Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging back and popping straight
> into the pit lane when it opened.
>
> The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all have
> added their voices to the complaints.
>
> “This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen told
> SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other drivers were
> affected already. I know the team managers and the FIA are talking
> already about how to modify the rule.”
>
> While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system – the
> standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should always
> leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety car comes out,
> something that McLaren has done regularly – sources suggest that there
> the FIA is now very receptive to change.
>
> That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
> control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
> judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
> “safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
> from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.
>
> The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of ensuring
> that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
>
> McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August.
>
> The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
> minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of the
> lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds, drivers
> will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40 seconds. They can
> go as fast as they want to in the “clear” sectors.
>
> This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco if all
> the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission and the
> World Motor Sport Council.
>
> The principle of using sector or lap times has already been established
> with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid, and more recently
> the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs, following the Malaysian
> controversy. However in those cases the FIA wants the drivers to go
> faster, and thus employs maximum times.
>
> There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
> so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
>
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-could-change-by-monaco/
>
>
why not just open the pit for refuelling *only*, they will still have to
come in for tyres later so it becomes something you do if you need to.
KISS?
> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>
> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
>
> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
> The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
> stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
> Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by it,
> as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
>
> The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s Australian
> GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
>
> In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped when he
> pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue, behind
> drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and came in a lap
> earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in contrast Sebastien
> Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging back and popping straight
> into the pit lane when it opened.
>
> The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all have
> added their voices to the complaints.
>
> “This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen told
> SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other drivers were
> affected already. I know the team managers and the FIA are talking
> already about how to modify the rule.”
>
> While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system – the
> standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should always
> leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety car comes out,
> something that McLaren has done regularly – sources suggest that there
> the FIA is now very receptive to change.
>
> That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
> control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
> judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
> “safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
> from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.
>
> The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of ensuring
> that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
>
> McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August.
>
> The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
> minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of the
> lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds, drivers
> will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40 seconds. They can
> go as fast as they want to in the “clear” sectors.
>
> This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco if all
> the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission and the
> World Motor Sport Council.
>
> The principle of using sector or lap times has already been established
> with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid, and more recently
> the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs, following the Malaysian
> controversy. However in those cases the FIA wants the drivers to go
> faster, and thus employs maximum times.
>
> There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
> so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
>
> http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-could-change-by-monaco/
>
>
why not just open the pit for refuelling *only*, they will still have to
come in for tyres later so it becomes something you do if you need to.
KISS?
Claire Rand wrote:
> forty wrote:
> > Written by: Adam Cooper
> > RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> > 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> > Paris, France
> >
> > The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> > Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
> >
> > The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum
> > sector times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the
> > pits.
> >
> > The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt
> > to stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP
> > Fernando Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be
> > caught out by it, as they had to refuel and take a stop and go
> > penalty.
> >
> > The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s
> > Australian GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
> >
> > In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped
> > when he pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue,
> > behind drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and
> > came in a lap earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in
> > contrast Sebastien Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging
> > back and popping straight into the pit lane when it opened.
> >
> > The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all
> > have added their voices to the complaints.
> >
> > “This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen
> > told SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other
> > drivers were affected already. I know the team managers and the
> > FIA are talking already about how to modify the rule.”
> >
> > While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system –
> > the standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should
> > always leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety
> > car comes out, something that McLaren has done regularly – sources
> > suggest that there the FIA is now very receptive to change.
> >
> > That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for
> > race control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being
> > waved around, judgements being made on whether drivers were in the
> > pit entry and thus “safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this
> > can divert attention away from more pressing matters, such as
> > dealing with an accident scene.
> >
> > The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of
> > ensuring that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
> >
> > McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed
> > limit to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their
> > dashboards, but that apparently involves some complex software
> > work, which cannot be completed until mid-August.
> >
> > The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
> > minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of
> > the lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds,
> > drivers will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40
> > seconds. They can go as fast as they want to in the “clear”
> > sectors.
> >
> > This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco
> > if all the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission
> > and the World Motor Sport Council.
> >
> > The principle of using sector or lap times has already been
> > established with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid,
> > and more recently the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs,
> > following the Malaysian controversy. However in those cases the
> > FIA wants the drivers to go faster, and thus employs maximum times.
> >
> > There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain
> > green, so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
> >
> > http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules
> > -could-change-by-monaco/
>
> why not just open the pit for refuelling only, they will still have
> to come in for tyres later so it becomes something you do if you need
> to.
>
> KISS?
Well not that simple. Some will pit for fuel even though it is not
essential, just because it is a sensible precaution and will cost them
nothing. This undermines the reason for the rule. At that rate you may
as well simply open the pit lane.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
> forty wrote:
> > Written by: Adam Cooper
> > RACER Magazine http://www.racer.com/speedtv
> > 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> > Paris, France
> >
> > The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> > Monaco, SPEEDtv.com can exclusively reveal.
> >
> > The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum
> > sector times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the
> > pits.
> >
> > The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt
> > to stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP
> > Fernando Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be
> > caught out by it, as they had to refuel and take a stop and go
> > penalty.
> >
> > The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year’s
> > Australian GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
> >
> > In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped
> > when he pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue,
> > behind drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and
> > came in a lap earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in
> > contrast Sebastien Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging
> > back and popping straight into the pit lane when it opened.
> >
> > The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all
> > have added their voices to the complaints.
> >
> > “This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen
> > told SPEEDtv.com. “This time it hit Nick, but several other
> > drivers were affected already. I know the team managers and the
> > FIA are talking already about how to modify the rule.”
> >
> > While the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system –
> > the standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should
> > always leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety
> > car comes out, something that McLaren has done regularly – sources
> > suggest that there the FIA is now very receptive to change.
> >
> > That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for
> > race control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being
> > waved around, judgements being made on whether drivers were in the
> > pit entry and thus “safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this
> > can divert attention away from more pressing matters, such as
> > dealing with an accident scene.
> >
> > The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of
> > ensuring that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
> >
> > McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed
> > limit to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their
> > dashboards, but that apparently involves some complex software
> > work, which cannot be completed until mid-August.
> >
> > The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
> > minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of
> > the lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds,
> > drivers will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40
> > seconds. They can go as fast as they want to in the “clear”
> > sectors.
> >
> > This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco
> > if all the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission
> > and the World Motor Sport Council.
> >
> > The principle of using sector or lap times has already been
> > established with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid,
> > and more recently the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs,
> > following the Malaysian controversy. However in those cases the
> > FIA wants the drivers to go faster, and thus employs maximum times.
> >
> > There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain
> > green, so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
> >
> > http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules
> > -could-change-by-monaco/
>
> why not just open the pit for refuelling only, they will still have
> to come in for tyres later so it becomes something you do if you need
> to.
>
> KISS?
Well not that simple. Some will pit for fuel even though it is not
essential, just because it is a sensible precaution and will cost them
nothing. This undermines the reason for the rule. At that rate you may
as well simply open the pit lane.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail.com> wrote
news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual.net...
(snip)
"McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
completed until mid-August."
I like the idea...
keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
FB
FB wrote:
> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail.com> wrote
> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual.net...
> (snip)
>
> "McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August."
>
> I like the idea...
>
> keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>
> it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>
> FB
>
Let's just cut to the chase and drive all the cars by R/C from a trailer
in BMIA-land. Who needs the rest of the "show"?
