Who was the last man to be killed in a GP?

???

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Trevor

Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>???

Senna, what do we win a share of?

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http://chocmonsterland.blog.com

On Thu, 08 May 2008 11:36:27 +0100, Gongoozler wrote:

> ???

Wasn't there a marshal killed from flying debris (I think it was a tyre)
from a crash that Jacques Villeneuve was involved in? I think that's when
they started to look into having tethered tyres.

On 08 May 2008 10:52:41 GMT, Ar <Ar@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 May 2008 11:36:27 +0100, Gongoozler wrote:
>
>> ???
>
>Wasn't there a marshal killed from flying debris (I think it was a tyre)

Yeah, Monza - what was it, 2002?

ADP.

On 8 touko, 14:01, Alessandro D. Petaccia <ale...@despammed.com>
wrote:

>> Wasn't there a marshal killed from flying debris (I think it was a tyre)

> Yeah, Monza - what was it, 2002?


Strange how things that happened a few years ago now invariably turn
out to have happened a few years earlier than that...

I would've guessed 2002, too, but Paolo Ghislimberti was killed in
September 2000 and Graham Beveridge in March 2001.

http://formula-1.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_dark_side_of_formula_one
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/1201137.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/918931.stm

Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes:

Graham Beveridge, Melbourne 2001.

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On May 8, 6:36 am, Gongoozler <tre...@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> ???
>
> --
> Trevor

Hamilton's career died during the Grand Prix in Brasil in 2007. It was
the last death registered in F1 so far.

On Thu, 8 May 2008 05:19:52 -0700 (PDT), The Cunt of Monte Cristo
<totaltrek2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 8, 6:36 am, Gongoozler <tre...@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> ???
>>
>> --
>> Trevor
>
>Hamilton's career died during the Grand Prix in Brasil in 2007. It was
>the last death registered in F1 so far.
>
LOL.
May be true, but at least Lewis is a bit less dead in second place
than the person he shared that death with. When Alonso gets past
Webber in the current season's ladder, he may start to live again.
Time will tell if that resurrection will happen..

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Regards, Frank

I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
the last man killed.
People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
(for which they were very well paid).
Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
Beveridge.
Just a thought.

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Trevor

Gongoozler wrote:
> I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
> that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
> the last man killed.
> People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
> but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
> with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
> (for which they were very well paid).
> Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
> remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
> Beveridge.
> Just a thought.
>
> --
> Trevor

Amen. Those who volunteer their time and efforts to make these events
happen are certainly worthy of remembrance.

--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."

Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar

On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:56:58 -0400, forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail.com>
wrote:

>Gongoozler wrote:
>> I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
>> that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
>> the last man killed.
>> People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
>> but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
>> with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
>> (for which they were very well paid).
>> Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
>> remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
>> Beveridge.
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> --
>> Trevor
>
>Amen. Those who volunteer their time and efforts to make these events
>happen are certainly worthy of remembrance.
>
Indeed they are and for the record, i did know it was our guy, even if
i couldn't recall his name.

Btw, who are you again ? ;-)

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Regards, Frank

Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
>that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
>the last man killed.
>People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
>but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
>with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
>(for which they were very well paid).
>Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
>remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
>Beveridge.
>
Sorry don't get it...millions of people die every year, some having
lived a pitiful life or hardly even having had one at all.
Their lives had no less value yet don't warranty a mention simply
because they didn't had a life privileged enough that volunteering as a
marshal would ever be a possibility.
I'm not trying to have a go, its just that in the great scheme of things
why does the death of a marshal warrant remembering when for instance
~100,000 people just lost their lives in Burma?
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Peter

peter wrote:
> Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>> I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
>> that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
>> the last man killed.
>> People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
>> but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
>> with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
>> (for which they were very well paid).
>> Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
>> remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
>> Beveridge.
>>
> Sorry don't get it...millions of people die every year, some having
> lived a pitiful life or hardly even having had one at all.
> Their lives had no less value yet don't warranty a mention simply
> because they didn't had a life privileged enough that volunteering as a
> marshal would ever be a possibility.
> I'm not trying to have a go, its just that in the great scheme of things
> why does the death of a marshal warrant remembering when for instance
> ~100,000 people just lost their lives in Burma?

In the grand scheme of things, no life is more or less precious than any
other. All who perish are worthy of remembrance.

While this is what I believe to be true on a universal level, things
have a somewhat different feeling on a personal level. Out of the
millions who died last year, I mourned none of them as much as I did my
aunt. She wasn't the only victim of cancer, but she was the only one who
touched my life. That doesn't cheapen the deaths of other victims, it is
merely an expression of giving special consideration to someone who I
had a deep personal interest in. My heart goes out to all those victims
and their loved ones, but the honest truth is that their deaths do not
touch my life as much as one whom I loved.

Likewise, when someone perishes in a sport, is it truly unfitting for
them to be given special consideration in the hearts those who love the
sport?

--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."

Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar

forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail.com> writes
>In the grand scheme of things, no life is more or less precious than any
>other. All who perish are worthy of remembrance.
>While this is what I believe to be true on a universal level, things
>have a somewhat different feeling on a personal level. Out of the
>millions who died last year, I mourned none of them as much as I did my
>aunt. She wasn't the only victim of cancer, but she was the only one who
>touched my life. That doesn't cheapen the deaths of other victims, it is
>merely an expression of giving special consideration to someone who I
>had a deep personal interest in. My heart goes out to all those victims
>and their loved ones, but the honest truth is that their deaths do not
>touch my life as much as one whom I loved.

Well put and I absolutely agree.
>
>Likewise, when someone perishes in a sport, is it truly unfitting for
>them to be given special consideration in the hearts those who love the
>sport?
>
I think its just me.
Here we are expressing sadness over the death of two track marshals we
didn't know, who chose to do what they were doing and knew the risk and
it seems natural.....but put it in the context of the ~10 million
children under the age of five who died last year from readily
preventable and treatable illnesses and it seems wrong.
Its certainly easier not think about such a death toll because if we did
then we might consider that with our more privileged lives we ought to
be doing something about it.
--
Peter

"Gongoozler" <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
> I asked the question because I wondered how many people would remember
> that Graham Beveridge, a volunteer marshal in Australia, was (TTBOMK)
> the last man killed.
> People make posts in memory of drivers (recently Clark, Senna, Gilles)
> but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
> with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved
> (for which they were very well paid).
> Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us and are rightly
> remembered, we should not forget men like Paolo Ghilimberti and Graham
> Beveridge.
> Just a thought.
> Trevor

Respectfully, I pretty much agree with your point,
(I do greatly respect, appreciate, and enjoy time with
all the race workers)--
(and, as way of a preface, related thoughts of this
general nature ((drivers - workers)) comes up frequently
on my motor sports association web discussion group)

But your part, "
> but these were individuals who willingly participated in the sport
> with the full knowledge that there was a high degree of risk involved."

certainly applies to our volunteers/workers also.

So, in your words, the only difference between the groups is, "
> (for which they were very well paid).---
> Whilst these drivers were heroes to many of us"

So, I'd like to point out,
for the vast majority of us involved
(vast majority are at levels far below F1, IRL, NASCAR et.al.
where drivers/owners/managers/mechanics are NOT paid
either.

What unites us all, is far more than what may 'separate' us.

We all spend huge amounts of our time and effort and
energy - to enjoy the sport we love.

The workers (and they are so much more than
just the turn crews - include such as registration, T&S,
communicators, radio support, track marshall, stewards,
E crew, driver services, gate attendants, wrecker&sweeper
drivers etc. )
are needed to put on the races.
So are all the paddock 'workers' (mechanics, assistants, etc.)
- well, so are the drivers & entrants!!

About the only division I can see at the local level,
is that in reality it is the drivers (most just self funded)
that pay the money, that allows the whole thing.

Sure, perhaps they get the 'biggest' thrill
(sometimes debatable? - wink!)