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McLaren identify wheel failure cause
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
From Autosport:
"Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
Prix.
The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
lacquer coating.
As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
failed.
'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
attached the wheel was not to specification.
'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
distort, leading to its eventual failure.
'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
Does anyone understand this?
Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
--
Trevor
if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:06 +0100, Gongoozler
<trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
>From Autosport:
>"Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
>the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
>Prix.
>The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
>of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
>lacquer coating.
>As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
>specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
>failed.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
>now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
>exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
>'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
>manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
>lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
>attached the wheel was not to specification.
>'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
>distort, leading to its eventual failure.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
>new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
>Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
>this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>
>
>Does anyone understand this?
>Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
>lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:06 +0100, Gongoozler
<trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
>From Autosport:
>"Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
>the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
>Prix.
>The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
>of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
>lacquer coating.
>As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
>specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
>failed.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
>now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
>exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
>'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
>manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
>lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
>attached the wheel was not to specification.
>'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
>distort, leading to its eventual failure.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
>new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
>Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
>this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>
>
>Does anyone understand this?
>Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
>lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
> if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
> the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
> as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
> bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
> against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>
that makes sense.
On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
<mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>> if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>> the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>> as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>> bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>> against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>
>that makes sense.
Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>> if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>> the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>> as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>> bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>> against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>
>that makes sense.
Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>
>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>
>>that makes sense.
>
>
> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>
Resolved: McBS it is.
On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>Raoul Duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>
>>>that makes sense.
>>
>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>
>Resolved: McBS it is.
And here's proof positive:
http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
McLaren lies just for the practice.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
>Raoul Duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>
>>>that makes sense.
>>
>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>
>Resolved: McBS it is.
And here's proof positive:
http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
McLaren lies just for the practice.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
wrote:
>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>
>>>>that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>
>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>
>And here's proof positive:
>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>
You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
pics ?
--
Regards, Frank
wrote:
>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>
>>>>that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>
>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>
>And here's proof positive:
>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>
You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
pics ?
--
Regards, Frank
On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>
>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>
>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>
>>And here's proof positive:
>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>
>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>pics ?
Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>
>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>
>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>
>>And here's proof positive:
>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>
>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>pics ?
Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>wrote:
>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>
>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>
>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>
>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>
>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>pics ?
>
>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>
No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
--
Regards, Frank
wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>wrote:
>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>
>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>
>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>
>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>
>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>pics ?
>
>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>
No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
--
Regards, Frank
On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:48 +1000, Frank Adam
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
>><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>>
>>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>>
>>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>>pics ?
>>
>>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>>
>No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
>the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
>what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
>article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
>
>Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
If the fault truly lay in the wheel coating, they would address the
wheel coating. Instead, they've rigged up a fancy coat hanger gauge
to tell them when they're C-F fabricators have been drinking too much.
...Dipshit.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
>><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>>
>>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>>
>>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>>pics ?
>>
>>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>>
>No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
>the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
>what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
>article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
>
>Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
If the fault truly lay in the wheel coating, they would address the
wheel coating. Instead, they've rigged up a fancy coat hanger gauge
to tell them when they're C-F fabricators have been drinking too much.
...Dipshit.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:48 +1000, Frank Adam
> <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
>>><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>>>><mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>>>>F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>>>pics ?
>>>
>>>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>>>
>>
>>No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
>>the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
>>what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
>>article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
>>
>>Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
>
>
> If the fault truly lay in the wheel coating, they would address the
> wheel coating. Instead, they've rigged up a fancy coat hanger gauge
> to tell them when they're C-F fabricators have been drinking too much.
Or the C-F delaminates under heat, humidity and/or vibration.
On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:54:58 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
wrote:
>On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:48 +1000, Frank Adam
><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>wrote:
>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
>>><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>>>
>>>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>>>pics ?
>>>
>>>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>>>
>>No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
>>the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
>>what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
>>article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
>>
>>Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
>
>If the fault truly lay in the wheel coating, they would address the
>wheel coating. Instead, they've rigged up a fancy coat hanger gauge
>to tell them when they're C-F fabricators have been drinking too much.
>
>...Dipshit.
>
Or... since it is a "wheel manufacturing fault", they want to make
sure it won't happen again.
I bet you don't smell the bacon after getting sick from an old one
either huh..
.....dippershit.
--
Regards, Frank
wrote:
>On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:50:48 +1000, Frank Adam
><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:35 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>wrote:
>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:52:42 +1000, Frank Adam
>>><fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 04:17:07 GMT, Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 17:32:14 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>>>>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 00:59:30 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>>>> <mary.palmucci@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"mike hunt" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:05g624tn784o7tt5de481jrtimoga808fo@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>if you think of the lacquer as being in the position as a gasket.If
>>>>>>>>>the lacquer broke down due to heat vibration etc it would leave a gap
>>>>>>>>>as if the gasket was removed .This gap would reduce the torque on any
>>>>>>>>>bolts holding the two surfaces together allowing the surfaces to fret
>>>>>>>>>against each other causing damage/distortion and failure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that makes sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only of you posit a gasket of substantial thickness, which a layer of
>>>>>>> F1 wheel clearcoat really isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Resolved: McBS it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>And here's proof positive:
>>>>>http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2008/791/532.html
>>>>>
>>>>You did actually read that, right ? Not just loking at the pretty
>>>>pics ?
>>>
>>>Oh , please, do expand my comprehension of the paragraph.
>>>
>>No, you've read it. You tell me how placing sensors to make sure that
>>the "tiny distance" does not change after a period of usage, negates
>>what McLaren said. For a brownie, you may also want to explain how the
>>article still reads "caused by a wheel manufacturing fault"..
>>
>>Try to leave your usual flaky guesswork out of the answer.
>
>If the fault truly lay in the wheel coating, they would address the
>wheel coating. Instead, they've rigged up a fancy coat hanger gauge
>to tell them when they're C-F fabricators have been drinking too much.
>
>...Dipshit.
>
Or... since it is a "wheel manufacturing fault", they want to make
sure it won't happen again.
I bet you don't smell the bacon after getting sick from an old one
either huh..
.....dippershit.
--
Regards, Frank
On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:06 +0100, Gongoozler wrote:
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
> From Autosport:
> "Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified the
> cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand Prix.
> The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
> of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
> lacquer coating.
That's the last time Heiki will use hairspray near the car!
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
> From Autosport:
> "Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified the
> cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand Prix.
> The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
> of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
> lacquer coating.
That's the last time Heiki will use hairspray near the car!
Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:5e16241pt54q56dv9ng5hjn7vcu5vvjeq9@4ax.com:
>
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
> From Autosport:
> "Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
> the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
> Prix.
> The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
> of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
> lacquer coating.
> As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
> specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
> failed.
> 'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
> now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
> exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
> 'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
> manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
> lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
> attached the wheel was not to specification.
> 'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
> distort, leading to its eventual failure.
> 'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
> new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
> Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
> this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>
>
> Does anyone understand this?
> Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
> lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
So it just slipped out due to the decreased friction in other words?
news:5e16241pt54q56dv9ng5hjn7vcu5vvjeq9@4ax.com:
>
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
> From Autosport:
> "Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
> the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
> Prix.
> The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
> of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
> lacquer coating.
> As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
> specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
> failed.
> 'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
> now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
> exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
> 'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
> manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
> lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
> attached the wheel was not to specification.
> 'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
> distort, leading to its eventual failure.
> 'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
> new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
> Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
> this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>
>
> Does anyone understand this?
> Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
> lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
So it just slipped out due to the decreased friction in other words?
On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:59:06 +0100, Gongoozler
<trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
>From Autosport:
>"Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
>the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
>Prix.
>The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
>of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
>lacquer coating.
>As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
>specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
>failed.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
>now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
>exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
>'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
>manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
>lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
>attached the wheel was not to specification.
>'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
>distort, leading to its eventual failure.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
>new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
>Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
>this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>Does anyone understand this?
>Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
>lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
...Smells like Team McBullshit.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
<trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67211
>
>From Autosport:
>"Heikki Kovalainen's crash in SpainThe McLaren team have identified
>the cause of Heikki Kovalainen's big accident at the Spanish Grand
>Prix.
>The British squad said that, due to a process fault during manufacture
>of the left front wheel, the outer clamp surface had given a clear
>lacquer coating.
>As a consequence, the clamp load that attached the wheel was not to
>specification and, when running, the wheel distorted and eventually
>failed.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and its Official Supplier of wheels have
>now conducted a thorough technical investigation to determine the
>exact cause of the failure,' the team said in a statement on Thursday.
>'It has been established that, owing to a process fault during
>manufacture, the outer clamp surface of the wheel was given a clear
>lacquer coating. As a consequence of this fault, the clamp load that
>attached the wheel was not to specification.
>'In running, the consequent loss of load caused the wheel to fret and
>distort, leading to its eventual failure.
>'Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and the wheel supplier have now established
>new procedures designed to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.'
>Kovalainen, who crashed at nearly 145mph, has been cleared to race at
>this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix."
>
>Does anyone understand this?
>Sounds as if they're running to pretty tight tolerances if a coat of
>lacquer can cause a failure of that magnitude!
...Smells like Team McBullshit.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
