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Bernie - Gracious As Ever Regarding Super Aguri
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080508195542.shtml
Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
"More room," he answered.
"It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
We're always running out of room," the F1 Chief Executive is quoted as
saying by PA Sport.
The prescribed maximum for F1 is 12 teams.
"We're not looking for 12 teams, we're looking for ten," he said.
Ecclestone had been touted as a potential saviour of the Leafield-based
outfit, and its administrators this week expressed confidence that the
outfit might be sold as a going concern.
But, presumably given the team's reportedly $100m debt to Honda, the
Briton said he baulked at the price tag.
"I didn't want to put in 100 million, which is what was needed,"
Ecclestone said. "For somebody else it might have been okay, but it
wasn't for me."
Ecclestone is not confident that the administrators will find a buyer.
"There are a lot of people walking around with a begging bowl," he
acknowledged.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
"More room," he answered.
"It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
We're always running out of room," the F1 Chief Executive is quoted as
saying by PA Sport.
The prescribed maximum for F1 is 12 teams.
"We're not looking for 12 teams, we're looking for ten," he said.
Ecclestone had been touted as a potential saviour of the Leafield-based
outfit, and its administrators this week expressed confidence that the
outfit might be sold as a going concern.
But, presumably given the team's reportedly $100m debt to Honda, the
Briton said he baulked at the price tag.
"I didn't want to put in 100 million, which is what was needed,"
Ecclestone said. "For somebody else it might have been okay, but it
wasn't for me."
Ecclestone is not confident that the administrators will find a buyer.
"There are a lot of people walking around with a begging bowl," he
acknowledged.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
forty wrote:
> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>
> "More room," he answered.
>
> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>
> "More room," he answered.
>
> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
But he's much richer, and not as tall.
"Clyde Penquin" <penguinking@springmind.com> wrote in message
news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> forty wrote:
>
>> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
>> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>>
>> "More room," he answered.
>>
>> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
>> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
>
> Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>
> But he's much richer, and not as tall.
Or as good looking, for that matter.
On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> > forty wrote:
>
> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>
> >> "More room," he answered.
>
> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything=
.
>
> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>
> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>
> Or as good looking, for that matter.
I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the Simtek
team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good job with
zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation. Bernie, at the
time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around with a begging bowl"
trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me. He could care less.
> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> > forty wrote:
>
> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>
> >> "More room," he answered.
>
> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything=
.
>
> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>
> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>
> Or as good looking, for that matter.
I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the Simtek
team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good job with
zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation. Bernie, at the
time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around with a begging bowl"
trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me. He could care less.
On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> > forty wrote:
>>
>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
>> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>>
>> >> "More room," he answered.
>>
>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
>> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
>>
>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>>
>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>>
>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>
>I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the Simtek
>team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good job with
>zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation. Bernie, at the
>time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around with a begging bowl"
>trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me. He could care less.
>
Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
enough should apply.
For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
--
Regards, Frank
>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> > forty wrote:
>>
>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
>> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>>
>> >> "More room," he answered.
>>
>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding
>> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything.
>>
>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>>
>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>>
>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>
>I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the Simtek
>team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good job with
>zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation. Bernie, at the
>time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around with a begging bowl"
>trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me. He could care less.
>
Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
enough should apply.
For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
--
Regards, Frank
Frank Adam wrote:
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> > >
> >> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> > >
> >> > forty wrote:
> > >
> >> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the
> Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
> > >
> >> >> "More room," he answered.
> > >
> >> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> trucks and everything.
> > >
> >> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> > >
> >> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> > >
> >> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> >
> > I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> > Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good
> > job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> > Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> > with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me.
> > He could care less.
> >
> Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> enough should apply.
> For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
> to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
> rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
> Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
> would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
> It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>
> Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
> is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
> He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
> business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> > >
> >> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> > >
> >> > forty wrote:
> > >
> >> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the
> Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
> > >
> >> >> "More room," he answered.
> > >
> >> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> trucks and everything.
> > >
> >> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> > >
> >> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> > >
> >> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> >
> > I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> > Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good
> > job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> > Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> > with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me.
> > He could care less.
> >
> Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> enough should apply.
> For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
> to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
> rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
> Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
> would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
> It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>
> Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
> is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
> He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
> business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> Frank Adam wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> > >
>> >> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> > >
>> >> > forty wrote:
>> > >
>> >> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the
>> Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>> > >
>> >> >> "More room," he answered.
>> > >
>> >> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> trucks and everything.
>> > >
>> >> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> > >
>> >> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> > >
>> >> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> >
>> > I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> > Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good
>> > job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
>> > Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
>> > with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me.
>> > He could care less.
>> >
>> Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> enough should apply.
>> For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
>> to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
>> rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
>> Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
>> would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
>> It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
>> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
>> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>>
>> Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
>> is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
>> He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
>> business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
>
> I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
> on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
>
Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the same way.
AC
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> > Frank Adam wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> >>> >
> >>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>> >
> >>>> > forty wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
> teams. >>> >
> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
> >>> >
> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> > > trucks and everything.
> >>> >
> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> >>> >
> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> >>> >
> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> > > >
> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> >>> Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> >>> with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened
> me. >>> He could care less.
> > > >
> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> > > enough should apply.
> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to
> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
> > >
> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> > > belong.
> >
> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
> > water.
> >
>
> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>
> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> same way.
>
> AC
"of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
regularly beating.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> > Frank Adam wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> >>> >
> >>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>> >
> >>>> > forty wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
> teams. >>> >
> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
> >>> >
> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> > > trucks and everything.
> >>> >
> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> >>> >
> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> >>> >
> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> > > >
> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> >>> Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> >>> with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened
> me. >>> He could care less.
> > > >
> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> > > enough should apply.
> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to
> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
> > >
> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> > > belong.
> >
> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
> > water.
> >
>
> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>
> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> same way.
>
> AC
"of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
regularly beating.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in
news:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq700h@news.individual.net:
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
>> > Frank Adam wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >
>> >>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > forty wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
>> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
>> teams. >>> >
>> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> >>trucks and everything.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> > > >
>> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
>> >>> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his
>> >>> creation. Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going
>> >>> around with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really
>> >>> sickened me. >>> He could care less.
>> > > >
>> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> > > enough should apply.
>> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
>> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
>> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
>> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
>> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
>> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to
>> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
>> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>> > >
>> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
>> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
>> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
>> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
>> > > belong.
>> >
>> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
>> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
>> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
>> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
>> > water.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>>
>> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
>> same way.
>>
>> AC
>
> "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
>
> If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
> however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
> were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
> regularly beating.
Well the article posted mentioned 100 million as being reputedly owed to
Honda. Even if only half that it amounts to a decent backing.
--
CatharticF1
The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for
that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton
news:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq700h@news.individual.net:
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
>> > Frank Adam wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >
>> >>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > forty wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
>> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
>> teams. >>> >
>> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> >>trucks and everything.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> > > >
>> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
>> >>> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his
>> >>> creation. Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going
>> >>> around with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really
>> >>> sickened me. >>> He could care less.
>> > > >
>> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> > > enough should apply.
>> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
>> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
>> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
>> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
>> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
>> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to
>> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
>> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>> > >
>> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
>> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
>> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
>> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
>> > > belong.
>> >
>> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
>> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
>> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
>> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
>> > water.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>>
>> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
>> same way.
>>
>> AC
>
> "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
>
> If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
> however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
> were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
> regularly beating.
Well the article posted mentioned 100 million as being reputedly owed to
Honda. Even if only half that it amounts to a decent backing.
--
CatharticF1
The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for
that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton
On 9 May, 11:59, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOV...@Gmail.com> wrote innews:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq70=
0h@news.individual.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > AC wrote:
>
> >> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOV...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> >> > Frank Adam wrote:
>
> >> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLard...@gmail.com
> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>>news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> >> >>>> > forty wrote:
>
> >> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> >> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
> >> teams. >>> >
> >> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
>
> >> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> >> >>trucks and everything.
>
> >> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>
> >> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>
> >> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>
> >> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> >> >>> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his
> >> >>> creation. Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going
> >> >>> around with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really
> >> >>> sickened me. >>> He could care less.
>
> >> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> >> > > enough should apply.
> >> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> >> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> >> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> >> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> >> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
> >> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to=
> >> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
> >> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>
> >> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> >> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> >> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> >> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> >> > > belong.
>
> >> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> >> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> >> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
> >> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
> >> > water.
>
> >> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>
> >> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> >> same way.
>
> >> AC
>
> > "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
>
> > If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
> > however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
> > were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
> > regularly beating.
>
> Well the article posted mentioned 100 million as being reputedly owed to
> Honda. Even if only half that it amounts to a decent backing.
"What do you mean, you want us to pay for the Engines?"
"Oh Sh*t"
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOV...@Gmail.com> wrote innews:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq70=
0h@news.individual.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > AC wrote:
>
> >> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOV...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> >> > Frank Adam wrote:
>
> >> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLard...@gmail.com
> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>>news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> >> >>>> > forty wrote:
>
> >> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> >> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
> >> teams. >>> >
> >> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
>
> >> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> >> >>trucks and everything.
>
> >> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>
> >> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>
> >> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>
> >> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> >> >>> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his
> >> >>> creation. Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going
> >> >>> around with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really
> >> >>> sickened me. >>> He could care less.
>
> >> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
> >> > > enough should apply.
> >> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> >> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> >> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> >> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> >> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
> >> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to=
> >> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
> >> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>
> >> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> >> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> >> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> >> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> >> > > belong.
>
> >> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> >> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> >> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
> >> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
> >> > water.
>
> >> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>
> >> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> >> same way.
>
> >> AC
>
> > "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
>
> > If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
> > however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
> > were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
> > regularly beating.
>
> Well the article posted mentioned 100 million as being reputedly owed to
> Honda. Even if only half that it amounts to a decent backing.
"What do you mean, you want us to pay for the Engines?"
"Oh Sh*t"
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq700h@news.individual.net...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
>> > Frank Adam wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> >>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >
>> >>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > forty wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
>> the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten
>> teams. >>> >
>> >>>> >> "More room," he answered.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> >>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> > > trucks and everything.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> >>> >
>> >>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> > > >
>> >>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> >>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
>> good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
>> >>> Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
>> >>> with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened
>> me. >>> He could care less.
>> > > >
>> > > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> > > enough should apply.
>> > > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
>> > > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
>> > > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
>> > > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
>> > > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with real
>> > > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to
>> > > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda
>> > > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>> > >
>> > > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
>> > > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
>> > > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
>> > > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
>> > > belong.
>> >
>> > I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
>> > They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
>> > least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full
>> > story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of
>> > water.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
>>
>> Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
>> same way.
>>
>> AC
>
> "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
>
> If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see them,
> however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue that they
> were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom they were
> regularly beating.
>
Almost every report about this mensions $100m owed. Even Bernie made
reference to it.
AC
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq700h@news.individual.net...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> >>> Frank Adam wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > forty wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> >>the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just
> ten >>teams. >>> >
> >>>>>> >> "More room," he answered.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >>>>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> >>> > trucks and everything.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >>>>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> >>good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> >>>>> Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> >>>>> with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened
> >>me. >>> He could care less.
> >>> > >
> >>> > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those
> rich >>> > enough should apply.
> >>> > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> >>> > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> >>> > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> >>> > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> >>> > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with
> real >>> > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all
> love to >>> > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel
> thing. Kinda >>> > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling
> to death. >>> >
> >>> > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> >>> > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> >>> > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> >>> > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> >>> > belong.
> > > >
> >>> I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last
> year. >>> They were frequently challenging and beating better funded
> teams not >>> least of all the A-team...of course we don't really
> know the full >>> story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be
> fish out of >>> water.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
> > >
> > > Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> > > same way.
> > >
> > > AC
> >
> > "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
> >
> > If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see
> > them, however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue
> > that they were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom
> > they were regularly beating.
> >
>
> Almost every report about this mensions $100m owed. Even Bernie made
> reference to it.
>
...and?
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fpz7cj3rpuq700h@news.individual.net...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xn0fpz5oh3pg1tp00g@news.individual.net...
> >>> Frank Adam wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>>On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > forty wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on
> >>the >>Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just
> ten >>teams. >>> >
> >>>>>> >> "More room," he answered.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
> >>>>expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
> >>> > trucks and everything.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>> Or as good looking, for that matter.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
> >>>>> Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty
> >>good >>> job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
> >>>>> Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
> >>>>> with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened
> >>me. >>> He could care less.
> >>> > >
> >>> > Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those
> rich >>> > enough should apply.
> >>> > For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be
> >>> > similar to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking
> >>> > into the high rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker
> >>> > table. Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it
> >>> > were, the guy would be murdered within minutes by those with
> real >>> > money.. It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all
> love to >>> > see the underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel
> thing. Kinda >>> > like watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling
> to death. >>> >
> >>> > Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality.
> >>> > There is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and
> >>> > nothing else. He's been that way for as long as we remember and
> >>> > to him, F1 is pure business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't
> >>> > belong.
> > > >
> >>> I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last
> year. >>> They were frequently challenging and beating better funded
> teams not >>> least of all the A-team...of course we don't really
> know the full >>> story on the funding...but they didn't appear to be
> fish out of >>> water.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, because they were massivly backed by Honda.
> > >
> > > Now imagine if Mclaren or Ferrari heavily backed another team the
> > > same way.
> > >
> > > AC
> >
> > "of course we don't really know the full story on the funding"
> >
> > If you have access to their financial reports I would love to see
> > them, however I don't think anyone, yourself included, would argue
> > that they were better funded than Honda and Toyota, both of whom
> > they were regularly beating.
> >
>
> Almost every report about this mensions $100m owed. Even Bernie made
> reference to it.
>
...and?
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
Bigbird wrote:
>> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
>> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
> I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
> on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
I quite agree--the SA team was doing remarkably well considering
their funding! Watching them run ahead of the team Hondas was a
delight. The small teams add a lot to F1 IMO--if only to remind us
of the "good old days" of privateers.
People were pleased that Webber managed to finish a race the other
week, and brought in some points by finishing fifth. And yeah, it's
good to see. But Webbo also managed a fifth-place finish with
Minardi a handful of years ago--which one is the bigger thrill?
I'm sorry to see SA go.
>> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
>> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
> I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
> They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
> least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
> on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
I quite agree--the SA team was doing remarkably well considering
their funding! Watching them run ahead of the team Hondas was a
delight. The small teams add a lot to F1 IMO--if only to remind us
of the "good old days" of privateers.
People were pleased that Webber managed to finish a race the other
week, and brought in some points by finishing fifth. And yeah, it's
good to see. But Webbo also managed a fifth-place finish with
Minardi a handful of years ago--which one is the bigger thrill?
I'm sorry to see SA go.
On 9 May 2008 10:36:04 GMT, "Bigbird"
<Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote:
>Frank Adam wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> > >
>> >> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> > >
>> >> > forty wrote:
>> > >
>> >> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the
>> Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>> > >
>> >> >> "More room," he answered.
>> > >
>> >> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> trucks and everything.
>> > >
>> >> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> > >
>> >> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> > >
>> >> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> >
>> > I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> > Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good
>> > job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
>> > Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
>> > with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me.
>> > He could care less.
>> >
>> Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> enough should apply.
>> For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
>> to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
>> rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
>> Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
>> would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
>> It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
>> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
>> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>>
>> Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
>> is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
>> He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
>> business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
>
>I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
>
I didn't say they did.
>They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
>least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
>on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
>
How long do you think they could fund taking the baby steps against
teams with proper cash flow ? As we've just found out, this long.
A new team is always exciting, because we can follow their quick
progress from having 'nothing' to having the 'basics'. From there on,
money(or lack of) talks, as funding the research of the subtleties
also enters the criteria. Toyota with it's bottomless money pit can
afford to do this and to hell with not making any reasonable headway,
Aguri obviously couldn't.
This isn't my nightly Aguri bashing, i have stated before that they
were my other favorite team, but in this context we got to face
reality. The Aguris usually finished not more than 3-4 places off the
bottom of the finishers list, mixing it with teams in serious trouble
themselves. Ie: Honda and Spyker. That 6th place of Takuma's was with
half the field gone and others struggling with various problems.. Was
it good to see ? Of course, but we all knew that it is somewhat
unrealistic that Sato in an Aguri could finish in front of Alonso in
the McLaren.
So yes, they did reach that "basic" level, which is enough to surprise
struggling teams and in many ways both Williams and Honda looked like
blundering newcomers last year.
--
Regards, Frank
<Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote:
>Frank Adam wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT), FrankLardino@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >On May 8, 8:18 pm, "Tony" <some...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> "Clyde Penquin" <penguink...@springmind.com> wrote in message
>> > >
>> >> news:7bqdnedkJrfQzL7VnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> > >
>> >> > forty wrote:
>> > >
>> >> >> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the
>> Super >> >> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>> > >
>> >> >> "More room," he answered.
>> > >
>> >> >> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are
>> expanding >> >> like crazy with their hospitality units and their
>> trucks and everything.
>> > >
>> >> > Bernie has all the warmth and charm of an iguana.
>> > >
>> >> > But he's much richer, and not as tall.
>> > >
>> >> Or as good looking, for that matter.
>> >
>> > I recall that Bernie bashed a young Nick Wirth who founded the
>> > Simtek team back in the early to mid 1990s. They did a pretty good
>> > job with zero money. Nick was trying to save his creation.
>> > Bernie, at the time, said he wish Nick would "stop going around
>> > with a begging bowl" trying to save Simtek. It really sickened me.
>> > He could care less.
>> >
>> Hate to be cruel, but F1 is a rich man's game and only those rich
>> enough should apply.
>> For Bernie to see teams struggling to make each race, would be similar
>> to watching a guy with 5,000 bucks to his name walking into the high
>> rollers room at a casino and sit down at the poker table.
>> Which, as far as i know, won't be allowed, but if it were, the guy
>> would be murdered within minutes by those with real money..
>> It's a bit like that with Aguri and while we all love to see the
>> underdogs in F1, in a way it is a very cruel thing. Kinda like
>> watching a fish out of water slowly wriggling to death.
>>
>> Sad, but that is reality and i think Bernie deals with reality. There
>> is nothing new to him being a greedy business man and nothing else.
>> He's been that way for as long as we remember and to him, F1 is pure
>> business, where tender fuzzy feelings don't belong.
>
>I don't think SA were looking that sad on the race track last year.
>
I didn't say they did.
>They were frequently challenging and beating better funded teams not
>least of all the A-team...of course we don't really know the full story
>on the funding...but they didn't appear to be fish out of water.
>
How long do you think they could fund taking the baby steps against
teams with proper cash flow ? As we've just found out, this long.
A new team is always exciting, because we can follow their quick
progress from having 'nothing' to having the 'basics'. From there on,
money(or lack of) talks, as funding the research of the subtleties
also enters the criteria. Toyota with it's bottomless money pit can
afford to do this and to hell with not making any reasonable headway,
Aguri obviously couldn't.
This isn't my nightly Aguri bashing, i have stated before that they
were my other favorite team, but in this context we got to face
reality. The Aguris usually finished not more than 3-4 places off the
bottom of the finishers list, mixing it with teams in serious trouble
themselves. Ie: Honda and Spyker. That 6th place of Takuma's was with
half the field gone and others struggling with various problems.. Was
it good to see ? Of course, but we all knew that it is somewhat
unrealistic that Sato in an Aguri could finish in front of Alonso in
the McLaren.
So yes, they did reach that "basic" level, which is enough to surprise
struggling teams and in many ways both Williams and Honda looked like
blundering newcomers last year.
--
Regards, Frank
"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail.com> wrote in message
news:68gv89F2rlk82U1@mid.individual.net...
> http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080508195542.shtml
>
> Bernie Ecclestone in Turkey tried to put a positive spin on the Super
> Aguri collapse, as his F1 grid dwindles to just ten teams.
>
> "More room," he answered.
>
> "It means we have a lot more room now because the teams are expanding like
> crazy with their hospitality units and their trucks and everything. We're
> always running out of room," the F1 Chief Executive is quoted as saying by
> PA Sport.
>
> The prescribed maximum for F1 is 12 teams.
>
> "We're not looking for 12 teams, we're looking for ten," he said.
>
> Ecclestone had been touted as a potential saviour of the Leafield-based
> outfit, and its administrators this week expressed confidence that the
> outfit might be sold as a going concern.
>
>
> But, presumably given the team's reportedly $100m debt to Honda, the
> Briton said he baulked at the price tag.
>
> "I didn't want to put in 100 million, which is what was needed,"
> Ecclestone said. "For somebody else it might have been okay, but it wasn't
> for me."
>
> Ecclestone is not confident that the administrators will find a buyer.
>
> "There are a lot of people walking around with a begging bowl," he
> acknowledged.
>
>
> --
> "We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
>
> Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Honda botched Super Aguri, just like their cars of the past decade. This
goes back to the end of the 2005 season where Honda exploited the Japanese
GP to announce the creation of a new Honda factory engine supplied team.
Except there wasn't one even close to ready. Turned into a travesty with SA
missing the filing date, then showing up with Arrows tubs. Just a downward
saga from there. I'm quite certain that BE's comments are aimed at Honda,
'cos the SA team tried their very best to make things work.
