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Mosely isn't going anywhere.
They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
stepping down before and decided to stay).
We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn=92t a spectator sport.
balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
stepping down before and decided to stay).
We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn=92t a spectator sport.
TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>
> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>
> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn’t a spectator sport.
And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>
> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>
> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn’t a spectator sport.
And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
wrote:
>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>
>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>
>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn’t a spectator sport.
>
>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>
Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
and policing it.
--
Regards, Frank
wrote:
>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>
>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>
>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn’t a spectator sport.
>
>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>
Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
and policing it.
--
Regards, Frank
"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>>
>>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>>
>>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a spectator sport.
>>
>>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>>
> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> and policing it.
>
>
Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets the
overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a variety of
engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent limitations currently
in place that has made the sport so boring, and limits innovation. Cost
should not be the governing factor for justifying such stringent rules. Yes
the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
ideas.
On 2008-05-09, Grant <Grant@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
> Yes
> the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
> clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
> ideas.
The richest teams will win time and time again, if you think that the
poorest teams will be able to compensate for their lack of cash by
being able to "innovate" in ways that for some reason you think the
rich teams can't, then perhaps you've watched too many movies...
There has to be an attempt to level the playing field otherwise the
richest teams will work their way to the top and stay there.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/
> Yes
> the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
> clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
> ideas.
The richest teams will win time and time again, if you think that the
poorest teams will be able to compensate for their lack of cash by
being able to "innovate" in ways that for some reason you think the
rich teams can't, then perhaps you've watched too many movies...
There has to be an attempt to level the playing field otherwise the
richest teams will work their way to the top and stay there.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/
Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On 2008-05-09, Grant <Grant@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes
> > the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
> > clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
> > ideas.
>
> The richest teams will win time and time again, if you think that the
> poorest teams will be able to compensate for their lack of cash by
> being able to "innovate" in ways that for some reason you think the
> rich teams can't, then perhaps you've watched too many movies...
> There has to be an attempt to level the playing field otherwise the
> richest teams will work their way to the top and stay there.
>
It's been that way almost forever though. And it exists in all forms of
racing, even "spec" series.
Remember when F1 banned traction control and active suspension the first time
after Williams with Mansell won in 1992?
Active suspension and TC were innovations by Lotus, Senna's 1987 car had them
but the idea wasn't well enough perfected due to financial constraints.
TC was reintroduced later on because it was too hard for the Stewards to
police because by then it was more sophisticated and buried in the engine
management systems.
But, no matter what the racing, money buys the best crew talent, the best
facilities and pays for the best cars.
Even in NASCAR, a top team prepares several cars in their shop and each set
up is qued up for a specific oval race.
That's one of the reasons why the NASCAR people came up with the "Car of
Tomorrow" with a wing on the rear end. It made it easier for the less funded
teams who couldn't afford to have a dozen cars set up for the tracks that
ensued over the next 5 races.
>
> On 2008-05-09, Grant <Grant@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes
> > the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
> > clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
> > ideas.
>
> The richest teams will win time and time again, if you think that the
> poorest teams will be able to compensate for their lack of cash by
> being able to "innovate" in ways that for some reason you think the
> rich teams can't, then perhaps you've watched too many movies...
> There has to be an attempt to level the playing field otherwise the
> richest teams will work their way to the top and stay there.
>
It's been that way almost forever though. And it exists in all forms of
racing, even "spec" series.
Remember when F1 banned traction control and active suspension the first time
after Williams with Mansell won in 1992?
Active suspension and TC were innovations by Lotus, Senna's 1987 car had them
but the idea wasn't well enough perfected due to financial constraints.
TC was reintroduced later on because it was too hard for the Stewards to
police because by then it was more sophisticated and buried in the engine
management systems.
But, no matter what the racing, money buys the best crew talent, the best
facilities and pays for the best cars.
Even in NASCAR, a top team prepares several cars in their shop and each set
up is qued up for a specific oval race.
That's one of the reasons why the NASCAR people came up with the "Car of
Tomorrow" with a wing on the rear end. It made it easier for the less funded
teams who couldn't afford to have a dozen cars set up for the tracks that
ensued over the next 5 races.
On 2008-05-10, herman <hermanblint@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
> It's been that way almost forever though. And it exists in all forms of
> racing, even "spec" series.
Sure but you need to keep the differences down, otherwise you'd see
the top-level teams lapping the lower level teams extremely quickly to
the extent that it could be dangerous in high-speed racing series. In
some racing series you get different classes of car and you see very
large differences in speeds between cars, I watched one GT3 race I
think in which the leaders were doing 2 laps for every one by the
backmarkers, they were racing in different classes of course, but in
class-based racing that's fairly normal. In F1 I wouldn't like to see
the differences being so great between cars that the leaders could lap
in half the time of the tail-enders, the cars are too fast for that to
be safe and it's not a class-divided series either.
Don't get caught into the black/white frame of thinking, just because
I think the field needs levelling doesn't mean I think that it needs
completely levelling, equally the only alternative to a completely
level field is not a completely unrestricted field, it's a case of
fine-tuning the team's freedom to keep the field uneven but not to the
extent that the back-markers are far too slow to be on the track.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/
> Ian Rawlings <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote:
> It's been that way almost forever though. And it exists in all forms of
> racing, even "spec" series.
Sure but you need to keep the differences down, otherwise you'd see
the top-level teams lapping the lower level teams extremely quickly to
the extent that it could be dangerous in high-speed racing series. In
some racing series you get different classes of car and you see very
large differences in speeds between cars, I watched one GT3 race I
think in which the leaders were doing 2 laps for every one by the
backmarkers, they were racing in different classes of course, but in
class-based racing that's fairly normal. In F1 I wouldn't like to see
the differences being so great between cars that the leaders could lap
in half the time of the tail-enders, the cars are too fast for that to
be safe and it's not a class-divided series either.
Don't get caught into the black/white frame of thinking, just because
I think the field needs levelling doesn't mean I think that it needs
completely levelling, equally the only alternative to a completely
level field is not a completely unrestricted field, it's a case of
fine-tuning the team's freedom to keep the field uneven but not to the
extent that the back-markers are far too slow to be on the track.
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/user/tarcus69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/
On Fri, 9 May 2008 23:55:04 +0100, "Grant"
<Grant@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
>
>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>>>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>>>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>>>
>>>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>>>
>>>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>>>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>>>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>>>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>>>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a spectator sport.
>>>
>>>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>>>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>>>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>>>
>> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
>> and policing it.
>>
>>
>Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets the
>overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a variety of
>engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent limitations currently
>in place that has made the sport so boring, and limits innovation. Cost
>should not be the governing factor for justifying such stringent rules. Yes
>the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
>clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
>ideas.
>
Rubber band boost ? :)
First things first. If you were to remove the limitations, then to
arrive at the "basic" car would become so expensive that half the
current teams would fold right there or would be 12 seconds a lap
behind the big boys. Making up just 1-2 seconds may have saved Aguri.
All the extra things would require top personnel and top dollars to
research in less time than the opposition. If just 10%(i'm thinking
that's very generous in itself) of everything researched, did in fact
work, 90% was wasted. A low budget team simply couldn't afford to test
so many different ideas only to be turfed. Fluking one or two items,
that will make their car conquer all, is somewhat less than probable
too.
The only viable idea is to make sure that everyone has the same chance
to build equally good cars and you can only do that by providing them
all with a set budget. *Then* the open formula idea could be very
interesting and those little nuances you mention, could come to the
surface(ie: when one team gets to polish a camshaft just a bit better
than the rest to get an extra 2Bhp).
Other than that, we're back to moving towards a totally spec series.
Formula 'V' anyone ? ;-)
--
Regards, Frank
<Grant@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
>
>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>>>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>>>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>>>
>>>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>>>
>>>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>>>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>>>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>>>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>>>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a spectator sport.
>>>
>>>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>>>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>>>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>>>
>> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
>> and policing it.
>>
>>
>Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets the
>overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a variety of
>engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent limitations currently
>in place that has made the sport so boring, and limits innovation. Cost
>should not be the governing factor for justifying such stringent rules. Yes
>the richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but atleast
>clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to use off the way
>ideas.
>
Rubber band boost ? :)
First things first. If you were to remove the limitations, then to
arrive at the "basic" car would become so expensive that half the
current teams would fold right there or would be 12 seconds a lap
behind the big boys. Making up just 1-2 seconds may have saved Aguri.
All the extra things would require top personnel and top dollars to
research in less time than the opposition. If just 10%(i'm thinking
that's very generous in itself) of everything researched, did in fact
work, 90% was wasted. A low budget team simply couldn't afford to test
so many different ideas only to be turfed. Fluking one or two items,
that will make their car conquer all, is somewhat less than probable
too.
The only viable idea is to make sure that everyone has the same chance
to build equally good cars and you can only do that by providing them
all with a set budget. *Then* the open formula idea could be very
interesting and those little nuances you mention, could come to the
surface(ie: when one team gets to polish a camshaft just a bit better
than the rest to get an extra 2Bhp).
Other than that, we're back to moving towards a totally spec series.
Formula 'V' anyone ? ;-)
--
Regards, Frank
Frank Adam <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
> Other than that, we're back to moving towards a totally spec series.
> Formula 'V' anyone ? ;-)
>
Formula 5000 was a great series. Is that what you're referring to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_5000
It would be really great to see F1 return to a "box" format. Where as long
as the car met specific size, power and weight parameters anything would go!
The days when the likes of Lotus and Tyrell created some of the most
fascinating experiments, not always successful, made for great entertainment
and innovation. I will never forget the "Life W-12", even though the fact
that it even started up was reason enough for the crew to break out the
bubbly!
> Other than that, we're back to moving towards a totally spec series.
> Formula 'V' anyone ? ;-)
>
Formula 5000 was a great series. Is that what you're referring to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_5000
It would be really great to see F1 return to a "box" format. Where as long
as the car met specific size, power and weight parameters anything would go!
The days when the likes of Lotus and Tyrell created some of the most
fascinating experiments, not always successful, made for great entertainment
and innovation. I will never forget the "Life W-12", even though the fact
that it even started up was reason enough for the crew to break out the
bubbly!
Grant wrote:
>
> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> > <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> > > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> > > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> > > >
> > > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> > > > die.
> > > >
> > > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> > > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> > > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> > > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should
> > > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a
> > > > spectator sport.
> > >
> > > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> > > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> > > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> > > without introducing other problems.
> > >
> > Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> > and policing it.
> >
> >
> Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets
> the overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a
> variety of engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent
> limitations currently in place that has made the sport so boring, and
> limits innovation. Cost should not be the governing factor for
> justifying such stringent rules. Yes the richest teams will have the
> fastest car as they always have but atleast clever innovations would
> give poorer teams a chance to use off the way ideas.
Your naivety is quite touching ;)...moving even...yes I think I can
feel my morning movement, NURSE!
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> > <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> > > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> > > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> > > >
> > > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> > > > die.
> > > >
> > > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> > > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> > > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> > > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should
> > > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a
> > > > spectator sport.
> > >
> > > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> > > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> > > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> > > without introducing other problems.
> > >
> > Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> > and policing it.
> >
> >
> Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets
> the overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a
> variety of engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent
> limitations currently in place that has made the sport so boring, and
> limits innovation. Cost should not be the governing factor for
> justifying such stringent rules. Yes the richest teams will have the
> fastest car as they always have but atleast clever innovations would
> give poorer teams a chance to use off the way ideas.
Your naivety is quite touching ;)...moving even...yes I think I can
feel my morning movement, NURSE!
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fq0fzb1xwgs000@news.individual.net...
> Grant wrote:
>
>>
>> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
>> > <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
>> > > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
>> > > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
>> > > >
>> > > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
>> > > > die.
>> > > >
>> > > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>> > > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
>> > > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
>> > > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should
>> > > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a
>> > > > spectator sport.
>> > >
>> > > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
>> > > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
>> > > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
>> > > without introducing other problems.
>> > >
>> > Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
>> > and policing it.
>> >
>> >
>> Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that sets
>> the overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would enable a
>> variety of engine types and fuels to be used. Its the stringent
>> limitations currently in place that has made the sport so boring, and
>> limits innovation. Cost should not be the governing factor for
>> justifying such stringent rules. Yes the richest teams will have the
>> fastest car as they always have but atleast clever innovations would
>> give poorer teams a chance to use off the way ideas.
>
> Your naivety is quite touching ;)...moving even...yes I think I can
> feel my morning movement, NURSE!
>
> --
> Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
> to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
> entirely free! No sh*t!
> http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
There is only ten or less F1 teams in the Whole world.
If there's not enough money for them, then surely that is the proof that F1
has failed?
russell wrote:
>
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fq0fzb1xwgs000@news.individual.net...
> > Grant wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> >>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> >>> <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> >>> > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> >>> > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> >>> > > die.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps
> its >>> > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> >>> > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> >>> > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1
> should >>> > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess
> isn't a >>> > > spectator sport.
> >>> >
> >>> > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> >>> > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> >>> > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> >>> > without introducing other problems.
> >>> >
> >>> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck
> doing >>> and policing it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that
> > > sets the overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would
> > > enable a variety of engine types and fuels to be used. Its the
> > > stringent limitations currently in place that has made the sport
> > > so boring, and limits innovation. Cost should not be the
> > > governing factor for justifying such stringent rules. Yes the
> > > richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but
> > > atleast clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to
> > > use off the way ideas.
> >
> > Your naivety is quite touching ;)...moving even...yes I think I can
> > feel my morning movement, NURSE!
> >
> > -- Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team
> > and need to develop the team to get on the top podium position!
> > Pitwall is entirely free! No sh*t!
> > http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> There is only ten or less F1 teams in the Whole world.
> If there's not enough money for them, then surely that is the proof
> that F1 has failed?
Is over $250m a year not enough?
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fq0fzb1xwgs000@news.individual.net...
> > Grant wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> >>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> >>> <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> >>> > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> >>> > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> >>> > > die.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps
> its >>> > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> >>> > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> >>> > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1
> should >>> > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess
> isn't a >>> > > spectator sport.
> >>> >
> >>> > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> >>> > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> >>> > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> >>> > without introducing other problems.
> >>> >
> >>> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck
> doing >>> and policing it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Throw away the rule book on the cars, apart from a few and that
> > > sets the overall dimensions of he car and safety, this would
> > > enable a variety of engine types and fuels to be used. Its the
> > > stringent limitations currently in place that has made the sport
> > > so boring, and limits innovation. Cost should not be the
> > > governing factor for justifying such stringent rules. Yes the
> > > richest teams will have the fastest car as they always have but
> > > atleast clever innovations would give poorer teams a chance to
> > > use off the way ideas.
> >
> > Your naivety is quite touching ;)...moving even...yes I think I can
> > feel my morning movement, NURSE!
> >
> > -- Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team
> > and need to develop the team to get on the top podium position!
> > Pitwall is entirely free! No sh*t!
> > http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> There is only ten or less F1 teams in the Whole world.
> If there's not enough money for them, then surely that is the proof
> that F1 has failed?
Is over $250m a year not enough?
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
Frank Adam <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> >> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
> >> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
> >> stepping down before and decided to stay).
> >>
> >> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
> >>
> >> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> >> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
> >> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
> >> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
> >> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn?t a spectator sport.
> >
> >And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
> >you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
> >that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
> >
> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> and policing it.
>
>
Money is everything. That's for sure.
But, for a while, there was that time when F1 moved from turbo to normally
aspirated engines, everyone had a V12 and those who didn't (of course) fell
back to racing with the 3.5 (V8) Cosworth DFZ engine. F1 was fairly
competitive.
But engines and horsepower are not the cure. Roger Penske's American Le
Mans 480 Bhp LMP2 Porsche RS Spyder's are far faster than his early 1970's
Can Am 917s, which were 1,200 horse power.
Roger said "back in those days it was all about power, we just Bulled our way
through".
The areos of the LMP2 Porsche RS Spyder are why, not the engine.
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> >> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
> >> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
> >> stepping down before and decided to stay).
> >>
> >> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
> >>
> >> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> >> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
> >> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
> >> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
> >> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn?t a spectator sport.
> >
> >And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
> >you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
> >that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
> >
> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> and policing it.
>
>
Money is everything. That's for sure.
But, for a while, there was that time when F1 moved from turbo to normally
aspirated engines, everyone had a V12 and those who didn't (of course) fell
back to racing with the 3.5 (V8) Cosworth DFZ engine. F1 was fairly
competitive.
But engines and horsepower are not the cure. Roger Penske's American Le
Mans 480 Bhp LMP2 Porsche RS Spyder's are far faster than his early 1970's
Can Am 917s, which were 1,200 horse power.
Roger said "back in those days it was all about power, we just Bulled our way
through".
The areos of the LMP2 Porsche RS Spyder are why, not the engine.
"Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph <joseph@eliminatespam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
>>> They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't have any
>>> balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he said he was
>>> stepping down before and decided to stay).
>>>
>>> We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to die.
>>>
>>> I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
>>> current form this will be my last year watching (started watching in
>>> 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is right along the
>>> lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should be like a game of
>>> Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a spectator sport.
>>
>>And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm guessing that
>>you think you have the answer even though other commentators acknowledge
>>that there is not any way to do this without introducing other problems.
>>
> Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> and policing it.
Who the heck would want that? This is F1. Go watch BTTC or whatever.
just bob wrote:
>
> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> > <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> > > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> > > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> > > >
> > > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> > > > die.
> > > >
> > > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> > > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> > > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> > > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should
> > > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a
> > > > spectator sport.
> > >
> > > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> > > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> > > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> > > without introducing other problems.
> > >
> > Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> > and policing it.
>
> Who the heck would want that?
Because the emphasis on money, both spending and commercialisation, has
ruined this sport, perhaps. It is a valid discussion point.
> This is F1.
10/10 for observation 0/10 for making a constructive point.
> Go watch BTTC or whatever.
He said 100m not one 100k, where do you live? China? You thought he was
talking yen. ;)
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
>
> "Frank Adam" <fajp@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:r9j924piomnkeqrkc5s9nj9kv2rhgtm8gs@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:04:47 -0700, Joseph
> > <joseph@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > TonyMitch@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > They will not vote him off on June 3rd (FIA officials don't
> > > > have any balls). And he will not retire in 2009 (just like he
> > > > said he was stepping down before and decided to stay).
> > > >
> > > > We're stuck with Max and his stupid rules until he's about to
> > > > die.
> > > >
> > > > I can only take so much of the boring parades. If F1 keeps its
> > > > current form this will be my last year watching (started
> > > > watching in 1992). The racing lacks any excitement. Which is
> > > > right along the lines of what Max wants; He said that F1 should
> > > > be like a game of Chess. Hello Stupid Max!! Chess isn't a
> > > > spectator sport.
> > >
> > > And how are you supposed to increase the excitement?? I'm
> > > guessing that you think you have the answer even though other
> > > commentators acknowledge that there is not any way to do this
> > > without introducing other problems.
> > >
> > Only way is to cap the teams to 100 mills per year. Good luck doing
> > and policing it.
>
> Who the heck would want that?
Because the emphasis on money, both spending and commercialisation, has
ruined this sport, perhaps. It is a valid discussion point.
> This is F1.
10/10 for observation 0/10 for making a constructive point.
> Go watch BTTC or whatever.
He said 100m not one 100k, where do you live? China? You thought he was
talking yen. ;)
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
http://tinyurl.com/5y6ls3
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