Mclaren = stupid

Mclaren = stupid

Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
enough fuel in to finish the race?

Re: Simon = stupid


"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
> enough fuel in to finish the race?

26 laps on the options that aren't working well on the Mclaren?

Re: Simon = stupid

Depresion wrote:

>
>"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
>> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
>> enough fuel in to finish the race?
>
>26 laps on the options that aren't working well on the Mclaren?
>
He's an idiot, take no notice.

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Re: Mclaren = stupid

On May 11, 1:55 pm, Simon says <Wc...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
> enough fuel in to finish the race?

How was it *ever* a win for Hamilton? The commentators are confusing
you. Pay attention to the race not the Lewis Hamilton sideshow.

Re: Mclaren = stupid

Simon says wrote:

> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
> enough fuel in to finish the race?

26 laps of fuel and soft tyres? What pace do you think he could have?
Check out HKs pace for some hints. You'd have him fighting to even get
on the podium. This way he has a good shot at second. Hell he might yet
have a shot at the win...

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Re: Mclaren = stupid


"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
> enough fuel in to finish the race?

They went for 3 stops because the tires couldnt make 2 stops. 26 laps would
have destroyed the tires.

Who's stupid?

AC

Re: Mclaren = stupid

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:49:46 +0100, "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

>
>"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
>> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
>> enough fuel in to finish the race?
>
>They went for 3 stops because the tires couldnt make 2 stops. 26 laps would
>have destroyed the tires.
>
>Who's stupid?
>
"Simon says". What do I win?

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Re: Mclaren = stupid


"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel@lineone . net > wrote in message
news:e9vd24pabj1r043b7t4tsadbg30huppkps@4ax . com ...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:49:46 +0100, "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>>news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>>> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
>>> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
>>> enough fuel in to finish the race?
>>
>>They went for 3 stops because the tires couldnt make 2 stops. 26 laps
>>would
>>have destroyed the tires.
>>
>>Who's stupid?
>>
> "Simon says". What do I win?
>

A big girly kiss?

AC

Re: Mclaren = stupid

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:49:46 +0100, "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

>
>"Simon says" <Wcub4@hotmail . com > wrote in message
>news:1c184bb3-1a7c-4076-a159-9749e0f69706@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>> Congratulations, an other win for Hamilton destroyed by Mclaren. With
>> only 26 laps to go, doesn't someone think at Mclaren, heey we can put
>> enough fuel in to finish the race?
>
>They went for 3 stops because the tires couldnt make 2 stops. 26 laps would
>have destroyed the tires.
>
Have to say it kinda puzzles me how McLaren's car destroys the same
tyres that the other 10 teams don't. Did anyone else do a three
stopper ?

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Re: Mclaren = stupid

Frank Adam wrote:


>Have to say it kinda puzzles me how McLaren's car destroys the same
>tyres that the other 10 teams don't. Did anyone else do a three
>stopper ?

... and it was only Hamilton's car wasn't it? Kovi had to stop on lap
2 with a puncture but basically he did a two-stopper.
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Re: Mclaren = stupid

On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:07:00 +0100, Gongoozler
<trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Frank Adam wrote:
>
>
>>Have to say it kinda puzzles me how McLaren's car destroys the same
>>tyres that the other 10 teams don't. Did anyone else do a three
>>stopper ?
>
>... and it was only Hamilton's car wasn't it? Kovi had to stop on lap
>2 with a puncture but basically he did a two-stopper.
>
Yeah, i wasn't sure, so i didn't want to mention Kovi.
So it's down to Lewis. Either his preference in setup is way too harsh
or his driving style is not suited for modern F1 cars.
If it's that, then i really don't know how he will ever conquer F1. He
really can't afford to be hindered by extra stops, graining or
delaminating tyres and whatnot when the others don't have those
problems.

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Re: Mclaren = stupid

Frank Adam wrote:

> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:07:00 +0100, Gongoozler
> <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Frank Adam wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Have to say it kinda puzzles me how McLaren's car destroys the
> > > same tyres that the other 10 teams don't. Did anyone else do a
> > > three stopper ?
> >
> > ... and it was only Hamilton's car wasn't it? Kovi had to stop on
> > lap 2 with a puncture but basically he did a two-stopper.
> >
> Yeah, i wasn't sure, so i didn't want to mention Kovi.
> So it's down to Lewis. Either his preference in setup is way too harsh
> or his driving style is not suited for modern F1 cars.
> If it's that, then i really don't know how he will ever conquer F1. He
> really can't afford to be hindered by extra stops, graining or
> delaminating tyres and whatnot when the others don't have those
> problems.

Maybe it was only the soft tyre. Neither used it for more than 14 laps.

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Re: Mclaren = stupid

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote:

>> > > Have to say it kinda puzzles me how McLaren's car destroys the
>> > > same tyres that the other 10 teams don't. Did anyone else do a
>> > > three stopper ?
>> >
>> > ... and it was only Hamilton's car wasn't it? Kovi had to stop on
>> > lap 2 with a puncture but basically he did a two-stopper.
>> >
>> Yeah, i wasn't sure, so i didn't want to mention Kovi.
>> So it's down to Lewis. Either his preference in setup is way too harsh
>> or his driving style is not suited for modern F1 cars.
>> If it's that, then i really don't know how he will ever conquer F1. He
>> really can't afford to be hindered by extra stops, graining or
>> delaminating tyres and whatnot when the others don't have those
>> problems.
>
> Maybe it was only the soft tyre. Neither used it for more than 14 laps.

Apparently Bridgestone were influenced by what happened last year - Lewis
had a front right puncture on lap 43, which was probably a lap before he
was due to stop after what would have been 24 laps on the hard compound.
I think it's been said that similar wear was showing up in practice.

Hamilton has been harder on tyres than his team-mate since he came into F1.

Re: Mclaren = stupid

Frank Adam <fajp@notthis.optushome . com .au> wrote:
>
> Yeah, i wasn't sure, so i didn't want to mention Kovi.
> So it's down to Lewis. Either his preference in setup is way too harsh
> or his driving style is not suited for modern F1 cars.
> If it's that, then i really don't know how he will ever conquer F1. He
> really can't afford to be hindered by extra stops, graining or
> delaminating tyres and whatnot when the others don't have those
> problems.

There's an alternative explanation.

Suppose that the following are true for this track:

* Ferrari are too fast to catch let alone pass with full fuel;
* The McLaren doesn't work optimally on the softs for a full
stint;
* Lewis finds pace in the primes that make them worth running
for most of the race.

I don't think any of those are controversial. How does McLaren stand a
hope of keeping in touch with Massa or even keeping Kimi behind?

By three-stopping, you lose the time for a pit (which isn't
insignificant), but you get two things in your favour:

* You can run for more of the race with (on average) less fuel
(meaning less weight, on average);
* You can run for less of the race with the unfavoured tyre (short
fourth stint rather than longer if divided into three).

None of that requires Lewis or his car to wreck the tyres. In fact, the
commentators (ITV, admittedly) suggested that his tyres weren't
particularly worn. That suggests it was a fuel/weight strategy not a
tyre wear one.

I think this was just trying to mix things up a bit in the hope that
circumstances came up that got him out after the third in front of
Massa.

It didn't work, but it didn't cost him second either. I doubt that a
two stopper would have worked either, though, given the way the Ferrari
handled; every time you saw the McLaren (either driver) there was just
a little bit of fighting the wheel whereas the Ferrari looked like it
was on rails.

Of course, different tracks will suit different cars/setups/drivers.

Just my opinion,

Mark

Re: Mclaren = stupid

Mark wrote:

> None of that requires Lewis or his car to wreck the tyres. In fact,
> the commentators (ITV, admittedly) suggested that his tyres weren't
> particularly worn. That suggests it was a fuel/weight strategy not a
> tyre wear one.

I don't think they suggested a tyre wear problem but something more
structural.

What I find interesting is Lewis saying that it was Bridgestone who
made them do a 3 stop because they thought the tyre would fail as it
did last year.

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