Driveer of the day?

Driveer of the day?

A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
than just being quicker than the opposition.

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Re: Driveer of the day?

In article <NrGdnY3r4fH3arvVRVnyhAA@plusnet>, "Depresion" <127.0.0.1>
says...
> A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
> fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
> Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
> he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
> quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
> than just being quicker than the opposition.
>

Personally, I was left a little disappointed by HK. I thought he could,
and should, have done quite a bit more.

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Re: Driveer of the day?

In message <MPG.229109e47ed742c29896f4@news.clara . net >, Alan LeHun
<try@reply.to> writes
>In article <NrGdnY3r4fH3arvVRVnyhAA@plusnet>, "Depresion" <127.0.0.1>
>says...
>> A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
>> fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
>> Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
>> he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
>> quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
>> than just being quicker than the opposition.
>>
>
>Personally, I was left a little disappointed by HK. I thought he could,
>and should, have done quite a bit more.
>

Likewise. He made really heavy weather of overtaking some much slower
cars. On that track, he could and should have been scything through the
field.
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Richard Miller

Re: Driveer of the day?

> Driver of the day?

Kimi for driving with a broken wing and managing to close in on the
Mclaren in the final stages.

Re: Driveer of the day?


"Kimi Fan" <kimisbest@gmail . com > wrote in message
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>> Driver of the day?
>
> Kimi for driving with a broken wing

Maybe he would have done better if he didn't hit HK on lap one?

Re: Driveer of the day?

Kimi Fan wrote:

> > Driver of the day?
>
> Kimi for driving with a broken wing and managing to close in on the
> Mclaren in the final stages.

Affected him so badly he could barely manage fastest lap.

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Re: Driveer of the day?

Depresion wrote:

> A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
> fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for
> me Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p )
> showing that he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate
> (who has always been quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice.
> After all racing is more than just being quicker than the opposition.

I don't think McLaren helped him any by fuelling him so heavily for his
second stint but I didn't see anything remarkable about his drive
back...in fact I recall several errors. Not driver of the day by any
means. He did rather contribute towards his own problems by being a bit
girly into turm one.

I was disappointed not to find out how heavy he was at the start. His
qualifying certainly seems top notch.

Lewis and McLaren certainly provided a lot of entertainment with their
strategy, in fact I expected them to fuel Lewis to around lap 48 to
make the most of the tyres. That may have put him right on Felipes
tailpipe which would have been interesting.

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"Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
>fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
>Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
>he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
>quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
>than just being quicker than the opposition.
>
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For me it has to be Hamilton. He got more out of his car than the others,
and made the best of a shite lot. He earned his cash today. They went for
what I thought was a Schumacher/Brawn type strategy, which made the race
much more fun than it might have been. Sure it failed to get a win, but it
made the entire race far more interesting than when every one does the same
thing.

Massa did a very good solid job and held his nerve extremely well, but it
was just the basic job of the driver. He has the fastest car, he got pole
and kept going. Nothing at all wrong with that, but its the very least a
Ferrari driver is expected to do.

To be honest, the more I think about it the more credit I give Massa. But I
have to give it to Lewis for the entertainment value of the the 3 stop
strategy. Evens really, they both had a great race.

Kimi gained, but he really should have don't better in qually and finished
behind the inferior Mclaren. Not a disaster, but certainly an off race. (I'm
expecting him to be lethal in the next race)

If I were looking down the grid, I'd go for Nico for grabbing a point for
him and Williams.

AC

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AC <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes
>For me it has to be Hamilton. He got more out of his car than the others,
>and made the best of a shite lot. He earned his cash today. They went for
>what I thought was a Schumacher/Brawn type strategy, which made the race
>much more fun than it might have been. Sure it failed to get a win, but it
>made the entire race far more interesting than when every one does the
>same
>thing.
>
>Massa did a very good solid job and held his nerve extremely well, but it
>was just the basic job of the driver. He has the fastest car, he got pole
>and kept going. Nothing at all wrong with that, but its the very least a
>Ferrari driver is expected to do.
>
>To be honest, the more I think about it the more credit I give Massa.

Really? Getting mugged by a car that is only marginally faster when
most everyone else can't overtake with a much larger performance
differential.
LH gave the performance of the year without doubt.
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"peter" <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote in message
news:XVYs7YBkCxJIFwBS@ntlworld . com ...
> AC <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes
>>For me it has to be Hamilton. He got more out of his car than the others,
>>and made the best of a shite lot. He earned his cash today. They went for
>>what I thought was a Schumacher/Brawn type strategy, which made the race
>>much more fun than it might have been. Sure it failed to get a win, but it
>>made the entire race far more interesting than when every one does the
>>same
>>thing.
>>
>>Massa did a very good solid job and held his nerve extremely well, but it
>>was just the basic job of the driver. He has the fastest car, he got pole
>>and kept going. Nothing at all wrong with that, but its the very least a
>>Ferrari driver is expected to do.
>>
>>To be honest, the more I think about it the more credit I give Massa.
>
> Really? Getting mugged by a car that is only marginally faster when most
> everyone else can't overtake with a much larger performance differential.
> LH gave the performance of the year without doubt.
> --
> Peter

Lewis had the benefit of a much lighter car at that point, which I assume
was the intention of the strategy. Lewis did a great job making the pass, no
doubt.

My feeling about Massa is what others have said, in that it would have been
incredibly easy for Massa to have dropped the ball and paniced. Its also
hard keeping pace while racing someone on a different strategy.

I would still say Hamilton is driver of the day, but Massa is like 1 point
out of 100 behind.

Oh, I'm forgetting the start. After a few shitters, LH did great start. So
plus a point or two for Lewis.

Its a silly comparison anyway, both drivers did a darn good job with their
given situations and the result was a very entertaining race. At the end of
the day, that's all I want out if F1. :)

AC

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"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

>> Really? Getting mugged by a car that is only marginally faster when most everyone
>> else can't overtake with a much larger performance differential.
>> LH gave the performance of the year without doubt.

> Lewis had the benefit of a much lighter car at that point, which I assume was the
> intention of the strategy. Lewis did a great job making the pass, no doubt.

To put some numbers to that.

Lewis passed Felipe on lap 24. Hamilton pitted on lap 32 and Massa on lap
40, so at the start of lap 24 Hamilton had fuel for another 9 laps while
Massa had enough for 17, a difference of 8 laps of fuel. In 2007 the fuel
burnt per lap was 2.55kg, so the difference in weight would be about 20.4
kg. Also according to 2007 data, 10kg slows a car by 0.32s per lap, so
Lewis should have been about 0.64s per lap quicker.

Re: Driveer of the day?

Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn . com > writes
>"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> Really? Getting mugged by a car that is only marginally faster when most
>everyone
>>> else can't overtake with a much larger performance differential.
>>> LH gave the performance of the year without doubt.
>> Lewis had the benefit of a much lighter car at that point, which I assume
>was the
>> intention of the strategy. Lewis did a great job making the pass, no doubt.
>
>To put some numbers to that.
>Lewis passed Felipe on lap 24. Hamilton pitted on lap 32 and Massa on lap
>40, so at the start of lap 24 Hamilton had fuel for another 9 laps while
>Massa had enough for 17, a difference of 8 laps of fuel. In 2007 the fuel
>burnt per lap was 2.55kg, so the difference in weight would be about 20.4
>kg. Also according to 2007 data, 10kg slows a car by 0.32s per lap,

>soLewis should have been about 0.64s per lap quicker.
>
Assuming both cars had equal performance with an identical fuel load.
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peter wrote:

> Brian Lawrence <Brian W LawrenceREMTHIS@msn . com > writes
> >"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > > > Really? Getting mugged by a car that is only marginally faster
> > > > when most
> > everyone
> > > > else can't overtake with a much larger performance differential.
> > > > LH gave the performance of the year without doubt.
> > > Lewis had the benefit of a much lighter car at that point, which
> > > I assume
> > was the
> > > intention of the strategy. Lewis did a great job making the pass,
> > > no doubt.
> >
> > To put some numbers to that.
> > Lewis passed Felipe on lap 24. Hamilton pitted on lap 32 and Massa
> > on lap 40, so at the start of lap 24 Hamilton had fuel for another
> > 9 laps while Massa had enough for 17, a difference of 8 laps of
> > fuel. In 2007 the fuel burnt per lap was 2.55kg, so the difference
> > in weight would be about 20.4 kg. Also according to 2007 data, 10kg
> > slows a car by 0.32s per lap,
>
> > soLewis should have been about 0.64s per lap quicker.
> >
> Assuming both cars had equal performance with an identical fuel load.

Unless you read it as 0.64s faster than he would have been on similar
fuel load.

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Depresion wrote:

>A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
>fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
>Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
>he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
>quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
>than just being quicker than the opposition.

I'd have to go for Hamilton but I think Massa, by not panicking when
Lewis passed him, showed that he has become more mature. Even last
season he might have done something silly.
Kovi was a bit disappointing I thought: he let Lewis get the jump on
him at the start and seemed to make heavy weather of his charge
through the field.
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Re: Driveer of the day?

On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:40:59 +0100, "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

>A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
>fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for me
>Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p ) showing that
>he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate (who has always been
>quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice. After all racing is more
>than just being quicker than the opposition.
>
The one that comes to mind immidiately is Heidfeld. Nice and quietly
form 9th to a convincing 5th. Passing Alonso and Webber who themselves
had a damn good race. Nico did well too.

But i think it is a toss up between Kimi and Hamilton.
No matter how little that wing was damaged, as Kimi said, it would
certainly not have helped. On the other hand, Lewis hit no one.

Quote of the day is much easier.
It has to be Fisi's "I don't think it was my fault" comment to Louis
Goodman.

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