Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn . com > wrote in
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Grooved tires foul up again. I guess they're deflecting the idea
(justified in my books) that they brought the wrong tires. Thanks Brian

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

Brian Lawrence wrote...

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"... some teams used their past experiences, and Ferrari did that. Other
teams used only their test data from this weekend... "

How many years have Ferrari been using Bridgestones?

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'


"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
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> Brian Lawrence wrote...
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> "... some teams used their past experiences, and Ferrari did that. Other
> teams used only their test data from this weekend... "
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> How many years have Ferrari been using Bridgestones?

And which team get ALL Bridgestones main support?

Mind you come to think of it even the tracks change to suit Ferrari.

Last year, Brazil *bumpy circuit suits Mclaren rather than Ferrari* but of
course the track had been recovered to suit Ferrari better...

All the signs of Mad Max showing more support for his favourite Nazi team!

Perhaps Kimi and Philipe should grow those smalls taches and learn the
salute for the podium.

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'


"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn . com > wrote
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Q. Did you find any problems with Heikki Kovalainen?
HH: Heikki had no problems at all, it was just Lewis. He is a bit severe on
the front tyre.

so the "tyre problems" happened between the seat and the steering wheel, eh?

FB

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian W LawrenceREMT...@msn . com > wrotenews:68osemF2shmpe=
U1@mid.individual . net ...
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> Q. Did you find any problems with Heikki Kovalainen?
> HH: Heikki had no problems at all, it was just Lewis. He is a bit severe o=
n
> the front tyre.
>
> so the "tyre problems" happened between the seat and the steering wheel, e=
h?
>
> FB

I'm surprised that there can be that much difference between two
drivers' styles around the same corner (particularly a high speed
corner such as that) that has such a significant effect on the tyre
loading.

Turn 8 is am accelerating left hander around which there is presumably
only one good line. Hamilton's apex speed was not significantly
higher than other cars, and he wasn't particularly slow or quick in
other areas of the track indicating a "radically" different setup
strategy.

So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car set up
with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying), which does
seem to match his usual driving style.

Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce than
other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a degree) through
very fast corners such as turn 8?

Matt

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'


"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
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On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
>> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMT...@msn . com >
>> wrotenews:68osemF2shmpeU1@mid.individual . net ...
>>
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>> Q. Did you find any problems with Heikki Kovalainen?
>> HH: Heikki had no problems at all, it was just Lewis. He is a bit severe
>> on
>> the front tyre.
>>
>> so the "tyre problems" happened between the seat and the steering wheel,
>> eh?
>>
>> FB
>
>I'm surprised that there can be that much difference between two
>drivers' styles around the same corner (particularly a high speed
>corner such as that) that has such a significant effect on the tyre
>loading.
>
>Turn 8 is am accelerating left hander around which there is presumably
>only one good line. Hamilton's apex speed was not significantly
>higher than other cars, and he wasn't particularly slow or quick in
>other areas of the track indicating a "radically" different setup
>strategy.
>
>So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car set up
>with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying), which does
>seem to match his usual driving style.
>
>Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce than
>other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a degree) through
>very fast corners such as turn 8?
>
>Matt
>

some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front suspension
which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive tyre wear...

Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...

FB

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

FB wrote:

>
> "larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
> news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com
> ... On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote: >>"Brian
> Lawrence" <Brian W LawrenceREMT...@msn . com >
> wrotenews:68osemF2shmpeU1@mid.individual . net ...
> > >
> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67366
> > >
> > > Q. Did you find any problems with Heikki Kovalainen?
> > > HH: Heikki had no problems at all, it was just Lewis. He is a bit
> > > severe on the front tyre.
> > >
> > > so the "tyre problems" happened between the seat and the steering
> > > wheel, eh?
> > >
> > > FB
> >
> > I'm surprised that there can be that much difference between two
> > drivers' styles around the same corner (particularly a high speed
> > corner such as that) that has such a significant effect on the tyre
> > loading.
> >
> > Turn 8 is am accelerating left hander around which there is
> > presumably only one good line. Hamilton's apex speed was not
> > significantly higher than other cars, and he wasn't particularly
> > slow or quick in other areas of the track indicating a "radically"
> > different setup strategy.
> >
> > So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car set
> > up with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying), which
> > does seem to match his usual driving style.
> >
> > Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce
> > than other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a degree)
> > through very fast corners such as turn 8?
> >
> > Matt
> >
>
> some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
> suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive
> tyre wear...
>

He suffers from excessive tyre wear on the front also?

> Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
>
> FB



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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > babbled
news:xn0fq3o1f1yweni00r@news.individual . net ...
> FB wrote:
>
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>> some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
>> suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive
>> tyre wear...
>>
>
> He suffers from excessive tyre wear on the front also?
>

¿la pregunta?

FB

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

In article <XF_Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
>
>"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
>news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
>>So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car set up
>>with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying), which does
>>seem to match his usual driving style.
>>
>>Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce than
>>other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a degree) through
>>very fast corners such as turn 8?
>>
>>Matt
>>
>
>some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front suspension
>which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive tyre wear...
>
>Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...

"Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?

The brake lockups could be explained by trailbraking, trying to
get a little more weight on the front to kill the oversteer...

--Ken

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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

In article <g0c922$j9t$1@transam.sbcglobal . net >,
dye <dye11@adsl-76-206-232-16.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal . net > wrote:
>In article <XF_Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
>FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
>>
>>"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
>>news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
>>>So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car set up
>>>with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying), which does
>>>seem to match his usual driving style.
>>>
>>>Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce than
>>>other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a degree) through
>>>very fast corners such as turn 8?
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front suspension
>>which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive tyre wear...
>>
>>Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
>
>"Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?
>
>The brake lockups could be explained by trailbraking, trying to
>get a little more weight on the front to kill the oversteer...

Duh... . it would more likely be using more front wing to make up for
the stiff front suspension...

--Ken

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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

dye wrote:

> In article <XF Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
> FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
> >
> >"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
> > news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
> > om...
> >On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
> > > So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car
> > > set up with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying),
> > > which does seem to match his usual driving style.
> > >
> > > Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce
> > > than other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a
> > > degree) through very fast corners such as turn 8?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
> > some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
> > suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive
> > tyre wear...
> >
> > Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
>
> "Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?
>

"Very stiff" front suspension = understeer. Yes.

> The brake lockups could be explained by trailbraking, trying to
> get a little more weight on the front to kill the oversteer...
>

Duh! Well obviously he's braking or the unladen wheel would not lock up.

I suspect it allows him to start braking later and still make the apex.

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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'



Bigbird wrote:
> dye wrote:
>
>
>>In article <XF_Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
>>FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
>>
>>>"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
>>>news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
>>>om...
>>>On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car
>>>>set up with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying),
>>>>which does seem to match his usual driving style.
>>>>
>>>>Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce
>>>>than other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a
>>>>degree) through very fast corners such as turn 8?
>>>>
>>>>Matt
>>>>
>>>
>>>some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
>>>suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive
>>>tyre wear...
>>>
>>>Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
>>
>>"Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?
>>
>
>
> "Very stiff" front suspension = understeer. Yes.
>


All that karting setup experience pays off...

Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

In article <xn0fq52n63ee5w500b@news.individual . net >,
Bigbird <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote:
>dye wrote:
>
>> In article <XF_Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
>> FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
>> >
>> >"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
>> > news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
>> > om...
>> >On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
>> > > So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car
>> > > set up with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying),
>> > > which does seem to match his usual driving style.
>> > >
>> > > Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip / downforce
>> > > than other drivers which is then exponentially higher (to a
>> > > degree) through very fast corners such as turn 8?
>> > >
>> > > Matt
>> > >
>> >
>> > some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
>> > suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and excessive
>> > tyre wear...
>> >
>> > Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
>>
>> "Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?
>>
>
>"Very stiff" front suspension = understeer. Yes.
>
>> The brake lockups could be explained by trailbraking, trying to
>> get a little more weight on the front to kill the oversteer...
>>
>
>Duh! Well obviously he's braking or the unladen wheel would not lock up.

Yeah, but I thought that Bridgstone wanted him to do a 3 stopper
because of massive wear on his RF tire in the turn 8 complex...
not flatspotting the LF by locking it up at turn-in...

See my reply to myself re: this.

--Ken

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Re: Bridgestone's view of tyre 'problems'

dye wrote:

> In article <xn0fq52n63ee5w500b@news.individual . net >,
> Bigbird <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote:
> > dye wrote:
> >
> >> In article <XF Vj.4134$5E4.3594@fe77.usenetserver . com >,
> >> FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"larkim" <matthew.larkin@gmail . com > wrote
> >> >
> news:b878e752-d9d2-480e-80f0-3010dc26b078@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
> >> > om... >> >On May 12, 3:03 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me . com > wrote:
> >> > > So he leans on the right front tyre more - that indicates a car
> >> > > set up with a tendency to oversteer (as we saw in qualifying),
> >> > > which does seem to match his usual driving style.
> >> > >
> >> > > Presumably he has quite significantly more front grip /
> downforce >> > > than other drivers which is then exponentially
> higher (to a >> > > degree) through very fast corners such as turn 8?
> >> > >
> >> > > Matt
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > some driver commented that Hamilton's car uses a very stiff front
> >> > suspension which explains his constant brake lock-ups and
> excessive >> > tyre wear...
> >> >
> >> > Massa uses a oversteering setup on his car without problems...
> >>
> >> "Very stiff" front suspension == understeer, no?
> >>
> >
> > "Very stiff" front suspension = understeer. Yes.
> >
> >> The brake lockups could be explained by trailbraking, trying to
> >> get a little more weight on the front to kill the oversteer...
> >>
> >
> > Duh! Well obviously he's braking or the unladen wheel would not
> > lock up.
>
> Yeah, but I thought that Bridgstone wanted him to do a 3 stopper
> because of massive wear on his RF tire in the turn 8 complex...
> not flatspotting the LF by locking it up at turn-in...
>

No, not tyre wear. It was the actual structure of the tyre carcass that
was showing problems.

It is not directly related to locking up as it was the front right that
showed the problem. I suspect the previous poster mentioned the lockups
as an indicator/verification of the stiff front.

However Bridgestones report mention Hamiltons unique driving technique,
rather than simply the way he sets up his car, as the cause.

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