Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

I posted these comparisons throughout the 2006 & 2007 seasons to illustrate changes
in top speeds as measured

through the speed traps. In previous years
I restricted the comparison to speeds recorded during the three segments of
qualifying, since the best laps are usually recorded in those sessions. For
2008 I propose to consider the top speeds recorded in the other sessions
(free practice and the race).

The first table compares the 2007 team/driver combination with the equivalent 2008
team/driver - the same

driver if possible, otherwise the 2007 driver is
compared to his 2008 replacement. This comparison is intended as a team
comparison, but the first (driver) table is also of some interest - but
should be read with care.

Notes

All teams have retained their names except for Spyker-Ferrari which has become
Force India-Ferrari.

'S#' Session in which the top speed was recorded (P1/P2/P3/Q/R)
'Diff' difference in top speed (km/hr)
'%Dif' difference in top speed (as percentage of 2007 speed)

I don't have the speed trap data for the 2007 race (I do have all data for
practice and qualifying).

Turkish GP 2007/08

2007 2008
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif. %Dif.
========================================================================
Ferrari Räikkönen Q3 319.1 Räikkönen R 323.9 +4.8 +1.50
Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3 Webber P3 316.8 +3.5 +1.12
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Coulthard R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61
Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 312.0 Sutil R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 319.3 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50
Toyota Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12

Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4 -0.44
Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7 -1.5 -0.48
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Kovalainen R 322.1 -1.8 -0.56
Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Trulli R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87
Honda Button Q1 316.3 Button R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25
Renault Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28
Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39
Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8 Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7 -5.6 -1.75

S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1

Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were slower.
Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race - probably because
the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday & Saturday.


The second table compares the best speed achieved by each team (IE the top
speed of both drivers), and as such is a better comparison.

2007 2008
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif. %Dif.
========================================================================
Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Webber P3 316.8 +3.4 +1.08
Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.5 +0.47

Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Glock R 320.1 -1.2 -0.37
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Hamilton R 322.4 -1.5 -0.46
Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7 -1.5 -0.48
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25
Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Alonso R 315.6 -4.3 -1.34
Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8 Button R 312.4 -4.4 -1.39
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67

S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1

Only Ferrari, Red Bull and Williams were faster.

All data from w w w .formula1 . com

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Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn . com

Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

Brian Lawrence wrote:

>
> Turkish GP 2007/08
>
> 2007 2008
> Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif.
> %Dif.
> ======================================================================
> == Ferrari Räikkönen Q3 319.1 Räikkönen R 323.9 +4.8
> +1.50 Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9
> +4.4 +1.38 Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3 Webber P3
> 316.8 +3.5 +1.12 Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Coulthard
> R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61 Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 312.0 Sutil
> R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58 Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 319.3 Rosberg
> R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50 Toyota Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock
> R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44 McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton
> R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12
>
> Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4
> -0.44 Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7
> -1.5 -0.48 McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Kovalainen R
> 322.1 -1.8 -0.56 Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Trulli
> R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87 Honda Button Q1 316.3 Button
> R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23 BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica
> R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25 Renault Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso
> R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28 Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet
> R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38 T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel
> P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39 Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8
> Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42 T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1
> 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67 BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld
> Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7 -5.6 -1.75
>
> S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
> S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
>
> Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were slower.
> Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race - probably
> because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday & Saturday.
>

Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very close
to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars were quite some
way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That is a useful advantage.


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Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>
>>
>> Turkish GP 2007/08
>>
>> 2007 2008
>> Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif.
>> %Dif.
>> ======================================================================
>> == Ferrari Räikkönen Q3 319.1 Räikkönen R 323.9 +4.8
>> +1.50 Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9
>> +4.4 +1.38 Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3 Webber P3
>> 316.8 +3.5 +1.12 Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Coulthard
>> R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61 Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 312.0 Sutil
>> R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58 Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 319.3 Rosberg
>> R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50 Toyota Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock
>> R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44 McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton
>> R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12
>>
>> Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4
>> -0.44 Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7
>> -1.5 -0.48 McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Kovalainen R
>> 322.1 -1.8 -0.56 Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Trulli
>> R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87 Honda Button Q1 316.3 Button
>> R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23 BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica
>> R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25 Renault Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso
>> R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28 Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet
>> R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38 T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel
>> P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39 Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8
>> Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42 T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1
>> 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67 BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld
>> Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7 -5.6 -1.75
>>
>> S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
>> S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
>>
>> Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were slower.
>> Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race - probably
>> because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday & Saturday.
>>
>
> Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very close
> to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars were quite some
> way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That is a useful advantage.
>

Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine tweaking you
posted about a couple of days ago?

AC

Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

AC wrote:

>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
> > Brian Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Turkish GP 2007/08
> > >
> > > 2007 2008
> > > Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif.
> > > %Dif.
> > > ==================================================================
> > > ==== == Ferrari Räikkönen Q3 319.1 Räikkönen R
> > > 323.9 +4.8 +1.50 Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa
> > > R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38 Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3
> > > Webber P3 316.8 +3.5 +1.12 Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3
> > > 313.4 Coulthard R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61 Spyker-Ferrari Sutil
> > > Q1 312.0 Sutil R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58 Williams-Toyota Rosberg
> > > Q1 319.3 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50 Toyota
> > > Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44 McLaren-Mercedes
> > > Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12
> > >
> > > Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4
> > > -0.44 Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1
> > > 310.7 -1.5 -0.48 McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9
> > > Kovalainen R 322.1 -1.8 -0.56 Toyota Trulli Q1
> > > 321.3 Trulli R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87 Honda Button
> > > Q1 316.3 Button R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23 BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica
> > > Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25 Renault
> > > Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28 Renault
> > > Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38 T Rosso-Ferrari
> > > Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39 Honda
> > > Barrichello Q1 316.8 Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42 T
> > > Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3
> > > -1.67 BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7
> > > -5.6 -1.75
> > >
> > > S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
> > > S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
> > >
> > > Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were
> > > slower. Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race
> > > - probably because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday &
> > > Saturday.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very
> > close to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars were
> > quite some way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That is a
> > useful advantage.
> >
>
> Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine
> tweaking you posted about a couple of days ago?
>

No, I think they probably have better aerodynamics which give the
drivers more confidence and/or the car better stability.


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Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park



Bigbird wrote:
> AC wrote:
>
>
>>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
>>
>>>Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Turkish GP 2007/08
>>>>
>>>>2007 2008
>>>>Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif.
>>>>%Dif.
>>>>==================================================================
>>>>==== == Ferrari Räikkönen Q3 319.1 Räikkönen R
>>>>323.9 +4.8 +1.50 Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa
>>>>R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38 Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3
>>>>Webber P3 316.8 +3.5 +1.12 Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3
>>>>313.4 Coulthard R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61 Spyker-Ferrari Sutil
>>>>Q1 312.0 Sutil R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58 Williams-Toyota Rosberg
>>>>Q1 319.3 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50 Toyota
>>>>Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44 McLaren-Mercedes
>>>>Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12
>>>>
>>>>Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4
>>>>-0.44 Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1
>>>>310.7 -1.5 -0.48 McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9
>>>>Kovalainen R 322.1 -1.8 -0.56 Toyota Trulli Q1
>>>>321.3 Trulli R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87 Honda Button
>>>>Q1 316.3 Button R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23 BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica
>>>>Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25 Renault
>>>>Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28 Renault
>>>>Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38 T Rosso-Ferrari
>>>>Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39 Honda
>>>>Barrichello Q1 316.8 Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42 T
>>>>Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3
>>>>-1.67 BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7
>>>>-5.6 -1.75
>>>>
>>>>S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
>>>>S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
>>>>
>>>>Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were
>>>>slower. Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race
>>>>- probably because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday &
>>>>Saturday.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very
>>>close to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars were
>>>quite some way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That is a
>>>useful advantage.
>>>
>>
>>Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine
>>tweaking you posted about a couple of days ago?
>>
>
>
> No, I think they probably have better aerodynamics which give the
> drivers more confidence and/or the car better stability.
>
>


Qually aero not much different from race aero.

Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

News wrote:

>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
> > AC wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> > > news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
> > >
> > > > Brian Lawrence wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were
> > > > > slower. Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the
> > > > > race - probably because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on
> > > > > Friday & Saturday.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very
> > > > close to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars
> > > > were quite some way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That
> > > > is a useful advantage.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine
> > > tweaking you posted about a couple of days ago?
> > >
> >
> >
> > No, I think they probably have better aerodynamics which give the
> > drivers more confidence and/or the car better stability.
> >
> >
>
>
> Qually aero not much different from race aero.

Do pay attention at the back there.

If you have any questions after reading all the above feel free to ask.

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Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park



Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Bigbird wrote:
>>
>>>AC wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>>>news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were
>>>>>>slower. Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the
>>>>>>race - probably because the wind was weaker on Sunday than on
>>>>>>Friday & Saturday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get very
>>>>>close to their top speed during qualifying whereas other cars
>>>>>were quite some way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and HK 5km/h. That
>>>>>is a useful advantage.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine
>>>>tweaking you posted about a couple of days ago?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No, I think they probably have better aerodynamics which give the
>>>drivers more confidence and/or the car better stability.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Qually aero not much different from race aero.
>
>
> Do pay attention at the back there.
>
> If you have any questions after reading all the above feel free to ask.
>

Where do you get off?

Re: Top Speeds - Istanbul Park

News wrote:

>
>
> Bigbird wrote:
> > News wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Bigbird wrote:
> > >
> > > > AC wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >>>>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> > > > > news:xn0fq3bf41hsf4b00f@news.individual . net ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Brian Lawrence wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve
> > > > > > > were slower. Note that 15 drivers set their top speed
> > > > > > > during the race - probably because the wind was weaker on
> > > > > > > Sunday than on Friday & Saturday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, it's interesting to note that Ferrari were able to get
> > > > > > very close to their top speed during qualifying whereas
> > > > > > other cars were quite some way off. E.g. LH about 3km/h and
> > > > > > HK 5km/h. That is a useful advantage.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Would you be thinking that it could be explained by the engine
> > > > > tweaking you posted about a couple of days ago?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, I think they probably have better aerodynamics which give
> > > > the drivers more confidence and/or the car better stability.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Qually aero not much different from race aero.
> >
> >
> > Do pay attention at the back there.
> >
> > If you have any questions after reading all the above feel free to
> > ask.
> >
>
> Where do you get off?

;)

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