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Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
In article <1ig3ojn.1o15lw18hrqrkN%address@in.sig>, address@in.sig
says...
> On top of that, he was headed for a very respectable result on the track
> till the engine blew.
>
One could say that the engine blew /because/ they were pushing too hard,
but yes, I would say it was very succesful day for Renault and a well
driven one by Fred.
However, I got the impression that Flavio was none too happy. A little
worried even.
--
Alan LeHun
In article <1ig3ojn.1o15lw18hrqrkN%address@in.sig>, address@in.sig
says...
> On top of that, he was headed for a very respectable result on the track
> till the engine blew.
>
One could say that the engine blew /because/ they were pushing too hard,
but yes, I would say it was very succesful day for Renault and a well
driven one by Fred.
However, I got the impression that Flavio was none too happy. A little
worried even.
--
Alan LeHun
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used
>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the
> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full
> fuel loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final
> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good
> to your fans for a few minutes.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
>
I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
AC
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used
>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the
> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full
> fuel loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final
> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good
> to your fans for a few minutes.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
>
I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
AC
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes:
> "Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
> news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used
>>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>>
>> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
>> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the
>> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
>> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full
>> fuel loads and empty ones.
>>
>> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
>> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>>
>> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
>> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
>> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final
>> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
>> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good
>> to your fans for a few minutes.
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>> Puma Race Engines
>>
>
> I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
I don't remember that one.
I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
once.
So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
(Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
exciting of any, ever. )
Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
Phil
--
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
-- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes:
> "Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
> news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used
>>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>>
>> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
>> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of the
>> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of qualifying
>> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full
>> fuel loads and empty ones.
>>
>> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
>> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>>
>> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
>> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
>> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that final
>> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
>> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look good
>> to your fans for a few minutes.
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>> Puma Race Engines
>>
>
> I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
I don't remember that one.
I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
once.
So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
(Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
exciting of any, ever. )
Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
Phil
--
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
-- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
"Phil Carmody" <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:87y76ytkdm.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org...
> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes:
>> "Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
>> news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so
>>>we
>>>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>>>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>>>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is
>>>used
>>>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
>>> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of
>>> the
>>> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of
>>> qualifying
>>> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both
>>> full
>>> fuel loads and empty ones.
>>>
>>> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
>>> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>>>
>>> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
>>> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
>>> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that
>>> final
>>> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
>>> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look
>>> good
>>> to your fans for a few minutes.
>>> --
>>> Dave Baker
>>> Puma Race Engines
>>>
>>
>> I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
>
> I don't remember that one.
>
> I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
> would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
> first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
> when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
> once.
>
> So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
> empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
> format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
>
> (Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
> in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
> to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
> exciting of any, ever. )
>
> Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
> is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
> For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
> vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
>
> Phil
> --
> Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
> -- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
It was rare that we would actually get 20mins of clear track. There was
always one of the lesser teams out. And this was good because they got thier
TV time.
What I like was they there was a build up of tension and drama as the hour
went on, and at the end you would get a glorious madness of cars finding
space and trying for a final mad lap, having got a banker as it were.
And then we had the weather gamble. That was always fun.
I was and still am happy to trade off the slow start of the hour for the raw
drama of the last 10mins.
I will conceen that the current qually format is the best we've had since
the old 1hr 12 lap format.
AC
"Phil Carmody" <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:87y76ytkdm.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org...
> "AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes:
>> "Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
>> news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so
>>>we
>>>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers
>>>rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is
>>>screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is
>>>used
>>>by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
>>> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of
>>> the
>>> true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of
>>> qualifying
>>> which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go well on both
>>> full
>>> fuel loads and empty ones.
>>>
>>> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on your
>>> race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>>>
>>> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
>>> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
>>> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that
>>> final
>>> really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel,
>>> and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look
>>> good
>>> to your fans for a few minutes.
>>> --
>>> Dave Baker
>>> Puma Race Engines
>>>
>>
>> I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
>
> I don't remember that one.
>
> I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
> would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
> first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
> when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
> once.
>
> So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
> empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
> format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
>
> (Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
> in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
> to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
> exciting of any, ever. )
>
> Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
> is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
> For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
> vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
>
> Phil
> --
> Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
> -- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
It was rare that we would actually get 20mins of clear track. There was
always one of the lesser teams out. And this was good because they got thier
TV time.
What I like was they there was a build up of tension and drama as the hour
went on, and at the end you would get a glorious madness of cars finding
space and trying for a final mad lap, having got a banker as it were.
And then we had the weather gamble. That was always fun.
I was and still am happy to trade off the slow start of the hour for the raw
drama of the last 10mins.
I will conceen that the current qually format is the best we've had since
the old 1hr 12 lap format.
AC
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
AC wrote:
>
> "Phil Carmody" <thefatphil demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:87y76ytkdm.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org... >"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx>
> writes: >>"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
> > > news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
> > > > A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with
> > > > minimal fuel so we can actually see who is genuinely fastest
> > > > and how the teams and drivers rank in a no-holds barred
> > > > situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing with a
> > > > format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by
> > > > every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
> > > >
> > > > At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the
> > > > appalling fuel burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel
> > > > is making a mockery of the true grid positions. It's also
> > > > removing an essential element of qualifying which is to reward
> > > > the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> > > > loads and empty ones.
> > > >
> > > > It's also removing the strategic element of being able to
> > > > decide on your race fuel load after seeing how everyone else
> > > > stacks up in qualy.
> > > >
> > > > The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the
> > > > last few years. I remember actually getting quite excited
> > > > during the last few minutes of qualy several years ago when
> > > > everyone was trying for that final really perfect lap. Now
> > > > it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> > > > success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look
> > > > good to your fans for a few minutes. -- Dave Baker
> > > > Puma Race Engines
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
> >
> > I don't remember that one.
> >
> > I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
> > would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
> > first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
> > when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
> > once.
> >
> > So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
> > empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
> > format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
> >
> > (Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
> > in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
> > to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
> > exciting of any, ever. )
> >
> > Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
> > is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
> > For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
> > vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
> >
> > Phil
> > -- Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
> > -- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
>
> It was rare that we would actually get 20mins of clear track. There
> was always one of the lesser teams out. And this was good because
> they got thier TV time.
>
> What I like was they there was a build up of tension and drama as the
> hour went on, and at the end you would get a glorious madness of cars
> finding space and trying for a final mad lap, having got a banker as
> it were.
>
> And then we had the weather gamble. That was always fun.
>
> I was and still am happy to trade off the slow start of the hour for
> the raw drama of the last 10mins.
>
> I will conceen that the current qually format is the best we've had
> since the old 1hr 12 lap format.
>
The other trade off is giving the pole sitter the ability to choose a
strategy whether it be a 3 stop attempt to run and hide or a race
dictating 1 stopper with a train of far lighter cars all stuck behind
and have every car behind have to second guess them.
The preferred format is not appropriate while refuelling is
permitted...and overtaking is so limited.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
AC wrote:
>
> "Phil Carmody" <thefatphil demunged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:87y76ytkdm.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org... >"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx>
> writes: >>"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
> > > news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
> > > > A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with
> > > > minimal fuel so we can actually see who is genuinely fastest
> > > > and how the teams and drivers rank in a no-holds barred
> > > > situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing with a
> > > > format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by
> > > > every other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
> > > >
> > > > At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the
> > > > appalling fuel burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel
> > > > is making a mockery of the true grid positions. It's also
> > > > removing an essential element of qualifying which is to reward
> > > > the teams who can setup the car to go well on both full fuel
> > > > loads and empty ones.
> > > >
> > > > It's also removing the strategic element of being able to
> > > > decide on your race fuel load after seeing how everyone else
> > > > stacks up in qualy.
> > > >
> > > > The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the
> > > > last few years. I remember actually getting quite excited
> > > > during the last few minutes of qualy several years ago when
> > > > everyone was trying for that final really perfect lap. Now
> > > > it's a lottery decided partly on how much fuel, and race
> > > > success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make yourself look
> > > > good to your fans for a few minutes. -- Dave Baker
> > > > Puma Race Engines
> > > >
> > >
> > > I still mourn 12 laps on vapor over an hour.
> >
> > I don't remember that one.
> >
> > I remember Brundle wagering with Murray whether it
> > would be more or less than 20 minutes before the
> > first car appeared though. And the lack of surprise
> > when it took 24 minutes before the first car appeared
> > once.
> >
> > So you're not looking back at the 24 minutes of
> > empty track, and then 36 minutes of laps on vapour,
> > format with oil-black tinted spectacles, are you?
> >
> > (Having said that, I did find Hakkinen's qualifying,
> > in particular crossing the line with only a few seconds
> > to go and then pipping MS to pole, to be the most
> > exciting of any, ever. )
> >
> > Personally, I think thinning the grid in multiple phases
> > is one of the best things that has happened to quali.
> > For the sake of the fast guys and their fast laps on
> > vapours, you do want the monkeys off the circuit.
> >
> > Phil
> > -- Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.
> > -- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration
>
> It was rare that we would actually get 20mins of clear track. There
> was always one of the lesser teams out. And this was good because
> they got thier TV time.
>
> What I like was they there was a build up of tension and drama as the
> hour went on, and at the end you would get a glorious madness of cars
> finding space and trying for a final mad lap, having got a banker as
> it were.
>
> And then we had the weather gamble. That was always fun.
>
> I was and still am happy to trade off the slow start of the hour for
> the raw drama of the last 10mins.
>
> I will conceen that the current qually format is the best we've had
> since the old 1hr 12 lap format.
>
The other trade off is giving the pole sitter the ability to choose a
strategy whether it be a 3 stop attempt to run and hide or a race
dictating 1 stopper with a train of far lighter cars all stuck behind
and have every car behind have to second guess them.
The preferred format is not appropriate while refuelling is
permitted...and overtaking is so limited.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
>in a no-holds barred situation.
The problem is they were getting the quick drivat the front then driving away
in there quick cars. This was classed as dull racing. Now they could have
opened up the rules to bring in more veriaty, the old F1/F5000 days were a
perfect example of running two differing classes still giving good racing but
took the silly option. I like the idea of 3 qually sessions but it should be
"best lap on pole" across the 3 sessions with a requirement for each car to
run in each session if they want to have more on track time for the big
teams, unfortunately it's had a negative impact on the small teams
advertising as they could go out when it was quiet and virtually guarantee TV
airtime to there sponsors.
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de...
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
>in a no-holds barred situation.
The problem is they were getting the quick drivat the front then driving away
in there quick cars. This was classed as dull racing. Now they could have
opened up the rules to bring in more veriaty, the old F1/F5000 days were a
perfect example of running two differing classes still giving good racing but
took the silly option. I like the idea of 3 qually sessions but it should be
"best lap on pole" across the 3 sessions with a requirement for each car to
run in each session if they want to have more on track time for the big
teams, unfortunately it's had a negative impact on the small teams
advertising as they could go out when it was quiet and virtually guarantee TV
airtime to there sponsors.
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
Since the very dawn of Formula England.
And the god damned English engine rules, as well.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
Since the very dawn of Formula England.
And the god damned English engine rules, as well.
--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
news:4v5914pnt5cdk31o0b5b44kbe159cjujl1@4ax . com :
>
> Since the very dawn of Formula England.
Which doesn't exist
>
> And the god damned English engine rules, as well.
>
The ones that allowed Ferrari to finish 1-2 today, hm?
Jeezus, you're tiresome.
Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
news:4v5914pnt5cdk31o0b5b44kbe159cjujl1@4ax . com :
>
> Since the very dawn of Formula England.
Which doesn't exist
>
> And the god damned English engine rules, as well.
>
The ones that allowed Ferrari to finish 1-2 today, hm?
Jeezus, you're tiresome.
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
Dave Baker wrote:
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
>in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
>with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
>other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
Personally I was very happy with single-lap qualifying in its original
format. It obviated the usual driver moans about traffic and also
meant that there was always something happening on track. Only
variable was the weather and track condition.
Seems very few fans agree with me though :-(
--
Trevor
Dave Baker wrote:
>A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel so we
>can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and drivers rank
>in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load nonsense is screwing
>with a format that has been in place in F1 for decades and is used by every
>other form of motorsport that I'm aware of.
Personally I was very happy with single-lap qualifying in its original
format. It obviated the usual driver moans about traffic and also
meant that there was always something happening on track. Only
variable was the weather and track condition.
Seems very few fans agree with me though :-(
--
Trevor
Re: Anyone else pissed off with Qualy format?
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de:
> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel
> so we can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and
> drivers rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load
> nonsense is screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for
> decades and is used by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware
> of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of
> the true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of
> qualifying which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go
> well on both full fuel loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on
> your race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that
> final really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how
> much fuel, and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make
> yourself look good to your fans for a few minutes.
Yes sir! go back to single car 2 lap qualifying and to stop the moaning
get rid of the putting the cars in quarantine. All it does is make the
car settings irrelevant once qualifying is done and has little if any
relevance to the race. BTW also get rid of all the f*ckups they've made
to perfectly nice tracks in the last 20 years. The spanish one is now my
all time "winner" in that regard with the *possible* exception of the
brainless slashing of Hockenheim.
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in news:fv1b69$c5h$1@news.datemas.de:
> A very simple request. Bring back proper qualifying with minimal fuel
> so we can actually see who is genuinely fastest and how the teams and
> drivers rank in a no-holds barred situation. This race fuel load
> nonsense is screwing with a format that has been in place in F1 for
> decades and is used by every other form of motorsport that I'm aware
> of.
>
> At least it's slightly better now we no longer have the appalling fuel
> burn phase but having to run Q3 with race fuel is making a mockery of
> the true grid positions. It's also removing an essential element of
> qualifying which is to reward the teams who can setup the car to go
> well on both full fuel loads and empty ones.
>
> It's also removing the strategic element of being able to decide on
> your race fuel load after seeing how everyone else stacks up in qualy.
>
> The FIA have dicked about with qualy more than enough in the last few
> years. I remember actually getting quite excited during the last few
> minutes of qualy several years ago when everyone was trying for that
> final really perfect lap. Now it's a lottery decided partly on how
> much fuel, and race success, you are prepared to sacrifice to make
> yourself look good to your fans for a few minutes.
Yes sir! go back to single car 2 lap qualifying and to stop the moaning
get rid of the putting the cars in quarantine. All it does is make the
car settings irrelevant once qualifying is done and has little if any
relevance to the race. BTW also get rid of all the f*ckups they've made
to perfectly nice tracks in the last 20 years. The spanish one is now my
all time "winner" in that regard with the *possible* exception of the
brainless slashing of Hockenheim.
