Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

"News" <News@Group.name> wrote
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> FB wrote:
>> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
>> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
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>> "McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
>> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
>> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
>> completed until mid-August."
>>
>> I like the idea...
>>
>> keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>>
>> it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>>
>> FB
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> Let's just cut to the chase and drive all the cars by R/C from a trailer
> in BMIA-land. Who needs the rest of the "show"?

uh?

this is supposed to be used only when the SC is deployed, won't spoil the
"show", au contraire, it will keep open the pits for a strategy play...

FB

FB wrote:

> "News" <News@Group.name> wrote
> news:S8udnUTFUqgo7IbVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@speakeasy . net ...
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>>FB wrote:
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>>>"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
>>>news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>>"McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
>>>to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
>>>but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
>>>completed until mid-August."
>>>
>>>I like the idea...
>>>
>>>keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>>>
>>>it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>>>
>>>FB
>>>
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>>Let's just cut to the chase and drive all the cars by R/C from a trailer
>>in BMIA-land. Who needs the rest of the "show"?
>
>
> uh?
>
> this is supposed to be used only when the SC is deployed, won't spoil the
> "show", au contraire, it will keep open the pits for a strategy play...
>
> FB
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>


You miss the essential point, which is it isn't much of a "show" at all.

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> You miss the essential point, which is it isn't much of a "show" at all.- Hide quoted text -
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When "a show" has to be cooked up by regulations, it's not a true
motor racing "show"; it's a party game, totally fictitious.

When the summer Olympics puts on its longer-distance events, or even
its repetitive field stuff like high jumps, will they require
competitors to flap their arms 5 times, hop once, and look over their
shoulder at least 3 times, to boost audience interest? The IOC could
mandate that, but they don't.

The worldwide "beautiful game", which is commonly a 0-0 draw, does not
require alternate-team players to run off and change their boots-if-no-
score-for-15-minutes. Nor do they have to wear clown noses and throw
candies to the crowd, to boost audience interest. FIFA could mandate
that, but they don't.

To require teams to refuel and/or change tires when the teams and the
tire companies know it is not due to any engineering obstacle or
criterion, is silly. If F1 is "boring" (and that insulting /
humiliating judgement is the ONLY reason behind FIA's regs), may I
suggest the World Superbike protocol which has worked extremely well:
two 90 kilometre races. Check it out.

On 2008-05-02 15:45:16 -0400, "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > said:

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> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
> (snip)
>
> "McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August."
>
> I like the idea...
>
> keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>
> it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>
> FB

why not just have them hit the pit lane limiter while out on track...
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Jonathan Peirce wrote...


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> why not just have them hit the pit lane limiter while out on track...
>


Within 2 laps the tyres will be falling off.

FB <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > writes
>"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
>"McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
>to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
>but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
>completed until mid-August."
>
>I like the idea...
>keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>
Even better you do away with the safety car altogether....everyone keeps
their respective track position, and pits if they want to.
--
Peter

"FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote in message
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> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
> (snip)
>
> "McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August."
>
> I like the idea...
>
> keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is deployed...
>
> it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
>
> FB
>

Wont that mess with the driver's ability to keem the tires hot?

AC

AC wrote...


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> Wont that mess with the driver's ability to keem the tires hot?
>


The tyres will deflate and fall off.

"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
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> AC wrote...
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>> Wont that mess with the driver's ability to keem the tires hot?
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> The tyres will deflate and fall off.
>

Er, I was worried they might get man flu.

AC

AC wrote:

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> "FB" <no.spam@will.be.allowed . com > wrote in message
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> >"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote
> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
> > (snip)
> >
> > "McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed
> > limit to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their
> > dashboards, but that apparently involves some complex software
> > work, which cannot be completed until mid-August."
> >
> > I like the idea...
> >
> > keep the pits open and enforce a speed limit when the SC is
> > deployed...
> >
> > it's safer to have all cars going at the same low speed...
> >
> > FB
> >
>
> Wont that mess with the driver's ability to keem the tires hot?
>

No, not if it is as fast as or faster than SC speeds.



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forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in
news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net :

> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>
> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> Monaco, SPEEDtv . com can exclusively reveal.
>
> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
> The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
> stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
> Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by
> it, as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
>
These morons just don't have a clue and it's really starting to P.M.O..
Every race it's something new. It's so simple: don't allow lapped cars
to unlap themselves, the pit is always open except for if the safety
car(s) is in the pits and leaving/entering at which point you can't
enter the pits or leave the pit box period. And when they're at it,
allowing a car to leave the pit box into the path of another *is* a
stop and go penalty.

On Fri, 02 May 2008 11:28:32 -0400, forty wrote:

> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>
> The controversial F1 safety car rules could be changed as soon as
> Monaco, SPEEDtv . com can exclusively reveal.
>
> The most likely option is that the FIA will introduce minimum sector
> times in an attempt to stop drivers speeding back to the pits.
>
> The closed pit lane rules were introduced last season in an attempt to
> stop drivers racing back to the pitlane. At the Canadian GP Fernando
> Alonso and Nico Rosberg became the first drivers to be caught out by it,
> as they had to refuel and take a stop and go penalty.
>
> The same thing happened to Rubens Barrichello in this year?s Australian
> GP, and to Nick Heidfeld in Barcelona last weekend.
>
> In addition in Australia Heikki Kovalainen was badly handicapped when he
> pitted when the pitlane opened and fell back in the queue, behind
> drivers who had enjoyed better luck with their timing and came in a lap
> earlier. Fernando Alonso also suffered, while in contrast Sebastien
> Bourdais made an artificial gain by hanging back and popping straight
> into the pit lane when it opened.
>
> The number of teams and drivers to be affected is rising, and all have
> added their voices to the complaints.
>
> ?This is not motor sport, it?s a lottery,? BMW boss Mario Theissen told
> SPEEDtv . com . ?This time it hit Nick, but several other drivers were
> affected already. I know the team managers and the FIA are talking
> already about how to modify the rule.?
>
> While the FIA?s Charlie Whiting has hitherto defended the system ? the
> standard argument to frustrated personnel is that teams should always
> leave a margin in the tank at pit stops in case a safety car comes out,
> something that McLaren has done regularly ? sources suggest that there
> the FIA is now very receptive to change.
>
> That?s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
> control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
> judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
> ?safe? from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
> from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.
>
> The FIA is now taking a serious interest in alternative ways of ensuring
> that drivers do not sprint back to the pits.
>
> McLaren has suggested a method in which the FIA transmits a speed limit
> to drivers via the common ECU, and which appears on their dashboards,
> but that apparently involves some complex software work, which cannot be
> completed until mid-August.
>
> The method said to be favored by the FIA is a simple pre-arranged
> minimum sector time. For example if the accident is in Sector 2 of the
> lap, and the normal split time for that sector is 35 seconds, drivers
> will be obliged to complete it no faster than say 40 seconds. They can
> go as fast as they want to in the ?clear? sectors.
>
> This much more simple method can be introduced as early as Monaco if all
> the teams agree and the idea is passed by the F1 Commission and the
> World Motor Sport Council.
>
> The principle of using sector or lap times has already been established
> with the monitoring of times on the laps to the grid, and more recently
> the in-laps at the end of qualifying runs, following the Malaysian
> controversy. However in those cases the FIA wants the drivers to go
> faster, and thus employs maximum times.
>
> There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
> so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
>
> * formula-one.speedtv . com /article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-
could-change-by-monaco/


How come this isn't such a problem in the IRR/Indycar series? Why don't
they just adopt those rules?

GuestUser wrote...


> >
> > There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
> > so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
> >
> > * formula-one.speedtv . com /article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-
> could-change-by-monaco/
>
>
> How come this isn't such a problem in the IRR/Indycar series? Why don't
> they just adopt those rules?
>


Who mentioned rain?

Jon wrote:
> GuestUser wrote...
>
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>>> There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
>>> so that drivers can blend in with the queue.
>>>
>>> * formula-one.speedtv . com /article/f1-exclusive-safety-car-rules-
>> could-change-by-monaco/
>>
>>
>> How come this isn't such a problem in the IRR/Indycar series? Why don't
>> they just adopt those rules?
>>
>
>
> Who mentioned rain?
>

I see you didn't watch the St. Petersburg race this year

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"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
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> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France
>

A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or disadvantage.
If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down while a car that hasn't
been queued ducks into the pits at full steam, then the leader has been
disadvantaged and the pitting car has benefited. The only way to ensure
even footing is to introduce a mandatory circuit speed limit when the SC
light comes on. Something like the pitlane limiter activated on all cars.
If you can conceive of something better: w w w .fia . com