Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Agent 86 wrote:

>
> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
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> > Written by: Adam Cooper
> > RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
> > 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> > Paris, France
> >
>
> A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or
> disadvantage. If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down while
> a car that hasn't been queued ducks into the pits at full steam, then
> the leader has been disadvantaged and the pitting car has benefited.
> The only way to ensure even footing is to introduce a mandatory
> circuit speed limit when the SC light comes on. Something like the
> pitlane limiter activated on all cars. If you can conceive of
> something better: w w w .fia . com

FFS engage your brain. You mention the partial possible consequences of
on system them propose another without considering any of the
consequences. People like you have no business criticising the FIA.

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Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
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> Agent 86 wrote:
>
>>
>> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
>> > Written by: Adam Cooper
>> > RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
>> > 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> > Paris, France
>> >
>>
>> A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or
>> disadvantage. If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down while
>> a car that hasn't been queued ducks into the pits at full steam, then
>> the leader has been disadvantaged and the pitting car has benefited.
>> The only way to ensure even footing is to introduce a mandatory
>> circuit speed limit when the SC light comes on. Something like the
>> pitlane limiter activated on all cars. If you can conceive of
>> something better: w w w .fia . com
>
> FFS engage your brain. You mention the partial possible consequences of
> on system them propose another without considering any of the
> consequences. People like you have no business criticising the FIA.
>
> --
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> to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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Are you from the Netherlands?

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
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> Agent 86 wrote:
>
>>
>> "forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
>> > Written by: Adam Cooper
>> > RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
>> > 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> > Paris, France
>> >
>>
>> A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or
>> disadvantage. If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down while
>> a car that hasn't been queued ducks into the pits at full steam, then
>> the leader has been disadvantaged and the pitting car has benefited.
>> The only way to ensure even footing is to introduce a mandatory
>> circuit speed limit when the SC light comes on. Something like the
>> pitlane limiter activated on all cars. If you can conceive of
>> something better: w w w .fia . com
>
> FFS engage your brain. You mention the partial possible consequences of
> on system them propose another without considering any of the
> consequences. People like you have no business criticising the FIA.
>
> --


Nice one

Basically that logic says that no one has any business discussing F1 or its
rules.

Truth is, no one here has a real clue at all. Its all just ignorant people
mouthing off, me included. Even if they did, we cant possibly know that. So
all discussion over , right?

I mean, who here knows more about motor sport than Max Mosley? We slag of
Todt because he might replace Max and he is a Ferrari man. But again, who
know more, us or him?

Not to mention that you have just negated every opinion or yours.

As I said, nice one.

AC

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

AC wrote:

>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpr9ca39v30002@news.individual . net ...
> > Agent 86 wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
> > > news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
> >>> Written by: Adam Cooper
> >>> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
> >>> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> >>> Paris, France
> > > >
> > >
> > > A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or
> > > disadvantage. If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down
> > > while a car that hasn't been queued ducks into the pits at full
> > > steam, then the leader has been disadvantaged and the pitting car
> > > has benefited. The only way to ensure even footing is to
> > > introduce a mandatory circuit speed limit when the SC light comes
> > > on. Something like the pitlane limiter activated on all cars. If
> > > you can conceive of something better: w w w .fia . com
> >
> > FFS engage your brain. You mention the partial possible
> > consequences of on system them propose another without considering
> > any of the consequences. People like you have no business
> > criticising the FIA.
> >
> > --
>
>
> Nice one
>
> Basically that logic says that no one has any business discussing F1
> or its rules.
>

No, it means engage your brain occasionally or expect to be lambasted
frequently.

It's not rocket surgery.

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Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
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> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpr9ca39v30002@news.individual . net ...
>> > Agent 86 wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"forty" <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > wrote in message
>> > > news:680q90F2r2ha3U4@mid.individual . net ...
>> >>> Written by: Adam Cooper
>> >>> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
>> >>> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
>> >>> Paris, France
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > A fair safety car rule must eliminate any unfair advantage or
>> > > disadvantage. If the SC picks up the leader and slows them down
>> > > while a car that hasn't been queued ducks into the pits at full
>> > > steam, then the leader has been disadvantaged and the pitting car
>> > > has benefited. The only way to ensure even footing is to
>> > > introduce a mandatory circuit speed limit when the SC light comes
>> > > on. Something like the pitlane limiter activated on all cars. If
>> > > you can conceive of something better: w w w .fia . com
>> >
>> > FFS engage your brain. You mention the partial possible
>> > consequences of on system them propose another without considering
>> > any of the consequences. People like you have no business
>> > criticising the FIA.
>> >
>> > --
>>
>>
>> Nice one
>>
>> Basically that logic says that no one has any business discussing F1
>> or its rules.
>>
>
> No, it means engage your brain occasionally or expect to be lambasted
> frequently.
>
> It's not rocket surgery.
>
> --
> Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
> to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
> entirely free! No sh*t!
> * tinyurl . com /5y6ls3


Do you have any idea how ignorant you've made your self look?

I've made many critical remarks about the FIA before, but this isn't one of
them. If you possess any reasonable understanding how these rule changes
work, they're done with team input in strict compliance with the FIA rules
of governance. If the FIA snubbed its own rules and arbitrarily invoked
whatever it pleased, the teams would pack up and leave. The SC rule was
amended, all with the input and knowledge of each team, for a few reasons.
One was to ensure that there would be no unfair edge by some cars in an
opportune position to dive into the pit while the others were slowed behind
the SC. Another was to avoid a clogged pitlane that obstructs the SC from
getting on the track. The whole point of the SC, hence "Safety," is for
medical staff to get to a driver or for course marshals to clear potentially
unsafe cars and debris without being clobbered by a speeding F1 car.

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Agent 86 wrote:

> SC rule was amended, all with the input and knowledge of each team,
> for a few reasons. One was to ensure that there would be no unfair
> edge by some cars in an opportune position to dive into the pit while
> the others were slowed behind the SC. Another was to avoid a clogged
> pitlane that obstructs the SC from getting on the track. The whole
> point of the SC, hence "Safety," is for medical staff to get to a
> driver or for course marshals to clear potentially unsafe cars and
> debris without being clobbered by a speeding F1 car.

WTF has that diatribe to do with my criticism of you and your
ridiculous suggestion, fuckwit.

Apparently you still haven't taken the time to engage your brain.

As I said ther really is no point in replying until you do.


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Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco


"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fpv5nbrtlh000@news.individual . net ...
> Agent 86 wrote:
>
>> SC rule was amended, all with the input and knowledge of each team,
>> for a few reasons. One was to ensure that there would be no unfair
>> edge by some cars in an opportune position to dive into the pit while
>> the others were slowed behind the SC. Another was to avoid a clogged
>> pitlane that obstructs the SC from getting on the track. The whole
>> point of the SC, hence "Safety," is for medical staff to get to a
>> driver or for course marshals to clear potentially unsafe cars and
>> debris without being clobbered by a speeding F1 car.
>
> WTF has that diatribe to do with my criticism of you and your
> ridiculous suggestion, fuckwit.

This term 'fuckwit', is this a clever individual that fucks? If so, your
fine gentlemanly compliment received and appreciated.

>
> Apparently you still haven't taken the time to engage your brain.

The brain is an incredible and much mysterious entity. A bit naive to
assert that it can be engaged by some sort of outside human compulsion by
its owner. Don't you think?

>
> As I said ther really is no point in replying until you do.

Then what are you replying to?

>
>
> --
> Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
> to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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Does Bigbird know you're using his name?

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Agent 86 wrote:

>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpv5nbrtlh000@news.individual . net ...
> > Agent 86 wrote:
> >
> >> SC rule was amended, all with the input and knowledge of each team,
> > > for a few reasons. One was to ensure that there would be no unfair
> > > edge by some cars in an opportune position to dive into the pit
> > > while the others were slowed behind the SC. Another was to avoid
> > > a clogged pitlane that obstructs the SC from getting on the
> > > track. The whole point of the SC, hence "Safety," is for medical
> > > staff to get to a driver or for course marshals to clear
> > > potentially unsafe cars and debris without being clobbered by a
> > > speeding F1 car.
> >
> > WTF has that diatribe to do with my criticism of you and your
> > ridiculous suggestion, fuckwit.
>
> This term 'fuckwit', is this a clever individual that fucks? If so,
> your fine gentlemanly compliment received and appreciated.
>
> >
> > Apparently you still haven't taken the time to engage your brain.
>
> The brain is an incredible and much mysterious entity. A bit naive
> to assert that it can be engaged by some sort of outside human
> compulsion by its owner. Don't you think?
>
> >
> > As I said ther really is no point in replying until you do.
>
> Then what are you replying to?
>
>
> Does Bigbird know you're using his name?

Review your fuckwitted suggestion, have a good laugh at what you said
while you were drunk and call it a night.

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Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

forty wrote:
> Written by: Adam Cooper
> RACER Magazine * w w w .racer . com /speedtv
> 05/01/2008 - 12:03 PM
> Paris, France

(A quick aside first): What, does the FIA really want to go after NASCAR
fans that much that they'll start changing the rules after each race
after one premier team or the other got adversely impacted by an event
in the previous race?


> “This is not motor sport, it’s a lottery,” BMW boss Mario Theissen told
> SPEEDtv . com

No matter what system you put in place, it will always be a "lottery"
when a SC is in play.

- If you allow them to pit at-will, those who just passed pit-in and get
picked up by the SC lose out.

- If you force them to bunch up first, then open the pits, those low on
fuel lose out if they go dry on track, or are forced to pit twice
(either a legal splash-and-go with a return after they open, or a full
stop with a penalty after the restart).

- If you force them to bunch up first, then open the pits, those
team-mates in close proximity on the track, lose out because of the
single pit-box (another thing that irks me about F1...).

Every system has flaws--and every system can cause someone to lose out.


> That’s in part because the system has proved extremely complex for race
> control to manage, as it also involves lapped cars being waved around,
> judgements being made on whether drivers were in the pit entry and thus
> “safe” from a penalty, and so on. All of this can divert attention away
> from more pressing matters, such as dealing with an accident scene.

Too Complex? This is F1 for Pete's sake! The people who know where
each car is on the track at any moment--how hard is it to tell who is
were and who was committed to pit in?

This is easy:

1) Have several people in "race control"--those that can concentrate on
the accident and emergency services and a second team that can
concentrate on managing the pack.

2) Have the SC wait at the end of pit out and have it pick up the leader
off the bat! No need to "manage" send-arounds then.

3) Just sit some bloke at the start of pit in with a light that tells
him when the SC has been called--if anyone goes past him after that,
they're violating the rules... Duh...


> There are also suggestions that the pit exit light should remain green,
> so that drivers can blend in with the queue.

A good suggestion--never understood that either...

Again, no rule regarding the SC will be perfect... but you know way,
"them's the breaks"... yes, it sucked for Rubens, Fernando and Nico...
but live within the rules. I'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem
with the current system had they not been "caught out"...

Crap, what a bunch of whiners F1 has become...

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
> Too Complex? This is F1 for Pete's sake! The people who know where
> each car is on the track at any moment--how hard is it to tell who is
> were and who was committed to pit in?

And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off to
cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they have
to do now!

Blah!

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

In article <Av8Tj.45518$Og1.37494@fe82.usenetserver . com >,
yea.right@ncih.borg says...
>
> And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
> times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off to
> cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they have
> to do now!
>
> Blah!
>
Could be caused by some looney walking on the track. In which case it
would be best to limit the car speeds as quickly as possible.

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Noone <noone@suomi24_nospm.fi> writes:
> In article <Av8Tj.45518$Og1.37494@fe82.usenetserver . com >,
> yea.right@ncih.borg says...
>>
>> And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
>> times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off to
>> cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they have
>> to do now!
>>
>> Blah!
>
> Could be caused by some looney walking on the track. In which case it
> would be best to limit the car speeds as quickly as possible.

Snipers would be a better solution to that problem.

Phil
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Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Noone wrote:
> In article <Av8Tj.45518$Og1.37494@fe82.usenetserver . com >,
> yea.right@ncih.borg says...
>> And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
>> times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off to
>> cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they have
>> to do now!
>>
>> Blah!
>>
> Could be caused by some looney walking on the track. In which case it
> would be best to limit the car speeds as quickly as possible.

Touché... well, then that breaks it.. monitoring 22 cars is just
outrageous! :)

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
> Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
>> Too Complex? This is F1 for Pete's sake! The people who know where
>> each car is on the track at any moment--how hard is it to tell who is
>> were and who was committed to pit in?
>
> And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
> times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off to
> cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they have
> to do now!
>
> Blah!
>

They already monitor sector times for each car. They have an entire team
of officials devoted to timing & scoring.

--
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Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar

Re: Safety Car Rules Could Change by Monaco

forty wrote:
> Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
>> Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
>>> Too Complex? This is F1 for Pete's sake! The people who know where
>>> each car is on the track at any moment--how hard is it to tell who is
>>> were and who was committed to pit in?
>>
>> And now that I think about it... how complex is monitoring the sector
>> times of up to 21 cars (not 22, because someone has to have gone off
>> to cause the SC, right?)? I thing that is more complex than what they
>> have to do now!
>>
>> Blah!
>>
>
> They already monitor sector times for each car. They have an entire team
> of officials devoted to timing & scoring.

Back to my point: how hard is then to translate that existing process
into one of knowing if someone was committed to the pit lane or not?

If that team is required to manage emergency services, then the new
process breaks down--but I doubt they pull double duty like that...

The FIA is trying to make it sound like they will make it easier to
manage the race just so that they can appease a few teams that had bad
luck...