Driveer of the day?

Re: Driveer of the day?

Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>CatharticF1 wrote:
>>I feel sorry for Heikki. He outqualified his teammate again and what's more
>>doesn't get to use the heavier fuel load he has. Were it not for things
>>outside his control there'd be little to pick between the two McLaren
>>drivers. He certainly needs some luck and it just shows how easy it is to
>>be overlooked when you don't get the breaks.
>
>I don't think anybody is going to overlook Heikki's talent, even
>though he's not had the best of luck so far. However, to some extent
>you make your own luck - it's not enough to get on the front row, you
>have to exploit that position and Heikki didn't look very aggressive
>off the start line to me. Had he been he might not have been tagged by
>Kimi.
>--
I've been a fan of HK since he spanked Schumacher at the Race of
Champions at Bercy...But, there does seem to be a lack of consistency
with HK, he seems to have great qualifying speed but he can't reproduce
it lap after lap in the way Hamilton can (who was Senna-esque at Turkey
lap after lap at full bananas).
He could win the DWC in this years Ferrari, I'm just not sure he could
win it in a McLaren.
--
Peter

Re: Driveer of the day?


"peter" <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>CatharticF1 wrote:
>>>I feel sorry for Heikki. He outqualified his teammate again and what's
>>>more
>>>doesn't get to use the heavier fuel load he has. Were it not for things
>>>outside his control there'd be little to pick between the two McLaren
>>>drivers. He certainly needs some luck and it just shows how easy it is to
>>>be overlooked when you don't get the breaks.
>>
>>I don't think anybody is going to overlook Heikki's talent, even
>>though he's not had the best of luck so far. However, to some extent
>>you make your own luck - it's not enough to get on the front row, you
>>have to exploit that position and Heikki didn't look very aggressive
>>off the start line to me. Had he been he might not have been tagged by
>>Kimi.
>>--
> I've been a fan of HK since he spanked Schumacher at the Race of Champions
> at Bercy...But, there does seem to be a lack of consistency with HK, he
> seems to have great qualifying speed but he can't reproduce it lap after
> lap in the way Hamilton can (who was Senna-esque at Turkey lap after lap
> at full bananas).
> He could win the DWC in this years Ferrari, I'm just not sure he could win
> it in a McLaren.

Thankfully they showed us LOTS of overtaking (More than any other race from
Heikki alone!)

Re: Driveer of the day?

The Wizard <the_wiz@nospamhere,com > writes
>Thankfully they showed us LOTS of overtaking (More than any other race
>from
>Heikki alone!)
>
True...but HK did appear to make a meal out of getting past Sutil with a
~2 sec a lap car advantage whereas LH got past Massa with a ~0 .4 sec a
lap car advantage.
--
Peter

Re: Driveer of the day?

peter wrote:

> The Wizard <the wiz@nospamhere,com > writes
> > Thankfully they showed us LOTS of overtaking (More than any other
> > race from
> > Heikki alone!)
> >
> True...but HK did appear to make a meal out of getting past Sutil
> with a ~2 sec a lap car advantage whereas LH got past Massa with a ~0
> .4 sec a lap car advantage.

While not disagreeing I think ~1.5s and ~1.0s would be fairer.

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Re: Driveer of the day?

Bigbird <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail,com > writes
>peter wrote:
>> True...but HK did appear to make a meal out of getting past Sutil
>> with a ~2 sec a lap car advantage whereas LH got past Massa with a ~0
>> .4 sec a lap car advantage.
>
>While not disagreeing I think ~1.5s and ~1.0s would be fairer.
> http :// tinyurl,com /6ggshl
>
Whats weird is that the Ferrari is reputed to 2-3 tenths a lap faster
while LH only has ~ 0.6 secs a lap lighter fuel load so why is Massa
dropping back so quickly?
In any case I never expected LH to get past Massa so easily, he looked
like he got mugged.
--
Peter

Re: Driveer of the day?

peter wrote:

> Bigbird <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail,com > writes
> > peter wrote:
> > > True...but HK did appear to make a meal out of getting past Sutil
> > > with a ~2 sec a lap car advantage whereas LH got past Massa with
> > > a ~0 .4 sec a lap car advantage.
> >
> > While not disagreeing I think ~1.5s and ~1.0s would be fairer.
> > http :// tinyurl,com /6ggshl
> >
> Whats weird is that the Ferrari is reputed to 2-3 tenths a lap faster
> while LH only has ~ 0.6 secs a lap lighter fuel load so why is Massa
> dropping back so quickly? In any case I never expected LH to get
> past Massa so easily, he looked like he got mugged.

I would have understood it better if he knew Lewis was on a 3 stopper
before the maneuver but it appears not. In fact it appears than
Felipe/Ferrari got rather flustered for a short while.

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Re: Driveer of the day?


"peter" <scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Bigbird <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail,com > writes
>>peter wrote:
>>> True...but HK did appear to make a meal out of getting past Sutil
>>> with a ~2 sec a lap car advantage whereas LH got past Massa with a ~0
>>> .4 sec a lap car advantage.
>>
>>While not disagreeing I think ~1.5s and ~1.0s would be fairer.
>> http :// tinyurl,com /6ggshl
>>
> Whats weird is that the Ferrari is reputed to 2-3 tenths a lap faster
> while LH only has ~ 0.6 secs a lap lighter fuel load so why is Massa
> dropping back so quickly?
> In any case I never expected LH to get past Massa so easily, he looked
> like he got mugged.

Then max's mate phoned the circuit who promptly got onto the radio to ask
Lewis "Do you want to have to appear in court for another FIAerrari win
Lewis, You've forgotton, The RED team must win!"

Lewis replied "No, Just proving I'm a LOT faster than those red KKK cars"

Re: Driveer of the day?

On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:34:27 +0100, peter
<scoular@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
>Gongoozler <trevor@ladyelg.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>CatharticF1 wrote:
>>>I feel sorry for Heikki. He outqualified his teammate again and what's more
>>>doesn't get to use the heavier fuel load he has. Were it not for things
>>>outside his control there'd be little to pick between the two McLaren
>>>drivers. He certainly needs some luck and it just shows how easy it is to
>>>be overlooked when you don't get the breaks.
>>
>>I don't think anybody is going to overlook Heikki's talent, even
>>though he's not had the best of luck so far. However, to some extent
>>you make your own luck - it's not enough to get on the front row, you
>>have to exploit that position and Heikki didn't look very aggressive
>>off the start line to me. Had he been he might not have been tagged by
>>Kimi.
>>--
>I've been a fan of HK since he spanked Schumacher at the Race of
>Champions at Bercy...

How do you make decisions in life, when you have no clearly defined
object of hatred?

>But, there does seem to be a lack of consistency
>with HK, he seems to have great qualifying speed but he can't reproduce
>it lap after lap in the way Hamilton can (who was Senna-esque at Turkey
>lap after lap at full bananas).
>He could win the DWC in this years Ferrari, I'm just not sure he could
>win it in a McLaren.

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Re: Driveer of the day?

CatharticF1 wrote:

> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in news:NrGdnY3r4fH3arvVRVnyhAA@plusnet:
>
> > A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put
> > that fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays,
> > but for me Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear
> > tyre ;p ) showing that he can make better use of the tyres than his
> > team mate (who has always been quick but hard on the rears) would
> > be my choice. After all racing is more than just being quicker
> > than the opposition.
>
> I feel sorry for Heikki. He outqualified his teammate again and
> what's more doesn't get to use the heavier fuel load he has.

"what's more" or "once more"

> Were it
> not for things outside his control there'd be little to pick between
> the two McLaren drivers. He certainly needs some luck and it just
> shows how easy it is to be overlooked when you don't get the breaks.

Well McLaren, or Whitmarsh at least, thinks he had what it takes to
have won in Turkey.

I have to say though that I thought he contributed to his problem at
the start. Kimi was really a long way up beside him when he cut for the
apex. He could/should have given Kimi room and tried to claim it in
turn 2.

Monaco is yet another test and if he can match Hamilton there I'll be
very impressed.

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Re: Driveer of the day?


"CatharticF1" <rasf1poster@gmail,com > wrote in message
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> "Depresion" <127.0.0.1> wrote in news:NrGdnY3r4fH3arvVRVnyhAA@plusnet:
>
>> A tough call, Massa and Lewis virtually faultless and Lewis put that
>> fantastic pass on Massa not something we see a lot nowadays, but for
>> me Kovalainen's fight back (from Kimi slashing his rear tyre ;p )
>> showing that he can make better use of the tyres than his team mate
>> (who has always been quick but hard on the rears) would be my choice.
>> After all racing is more than just being quicker than the opposition.
>
> I feel sorry for Heikki. He outqualified his teammate again and what's
> more
> doesn't get to use the heavier fuel load he has. Were it not for things
> outside his control there'd be little to pick between the two McLaren
> drivers. He certainly needs some luck and it just shows how easy it is to
> be overlooked when you don't get the breaks.
>
> --
> CatharticF1
>

I was very impressed with him right up until the start lights went out. From
then on, I was disappointed. In the same way I'm often disappointed with
Kimi (WDC). But then, he was apparently heavy. So, there are reasons other
then the drivers mentality at work.

Which can mean 1 of 2 things: either he isn't quite as good as some think,
or like Kimi he only gets 'excited' if he can see a win or at least
second.At the moment, I'm hoping its the latter.

Of course, we can't really judge him just yet. But his is fast and a very
nice guy, and that'll do me for now. More to the point, its exactly what
Mclaren and Lewis need right now.

I don't feel sorry for him at all. If he can just spend this year pushing
Lewis and getting his feet under the table, he should be a serious threat
for next year, assuming he doesn't mount a challenge this year.

I reckon the future is very bright for Heikki. And for us fans too, as it
happens. Two fast drivers in Mclaren and Ferrari with a chance to race, BMW
with two fast drivers are banging on the door like bailiffs, and Alonso in a
shitty Renault.......(sorry, had to, bad me, must get over it)

AC

Re: Driveer of the day?

In message <k9eWj.26$gJ.19@newsfe30.ams2>, AC <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> writes
>
>Which can mean 1 of 2 things: either he isn't quite as good as some
>think, or like Kimi he only gets 'excited' if he can see a win or at
>least second.At the moment, I'm hoping its the latter.
>
>Of course, we can't really judge him just yet. But his is fast and a
>very nice guy, and that'll do me for now. More to the point, its
>exactly what Mclaren and Lewis need right now.
>
>I don't feel sorry for him at all. If he can just spend this year
>pushing Lewis and getting his feet under the table, he should be a
>serious threat for next year, assuming he doesn't mount a challenge
>this year.

That is all very well, but I am starting to feel that like DC and Mark
Webber, we are seeing someone where the story is always that he *could
have* delivered *but for* whatever it is this week. The prizes go to
those who actually do deliver. I hope I will be proved wrong, because
the more drivers we have genuinely challenging for championships, the
happier I will be.
--
Richard Miller