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Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> Bigbird wrote...
>
> > Jon wrote:
> >
> > > Bigbird wrote...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Having a reserve tank that cannot be touched except under the
> > > > SC and requires that the car comes into the pit as soon as it
> > > > is open does seem the basis for a significant improvement. It
> > > > is worse in racing terms than the old rule but far better than
> > > > the current. Of course it is not someting that can be easily
> > > > implemented in a hurry.
> > > >
> > > > I expect those in the know should be able to come up with a
> > > > better solution making use of the common ECU and other systems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How do they refill the reserve tank? SC's often come out more
> > > than once.
> >
> > Well, seems I was right about you're modesty.
> >
> > A reserve tank is filled when the main tank is filled.
> >
> >
>
> Creating another potential fuckup. Separate filler, exra vents, more
> electronics, change in weight rulz.
No.
Please go and buy a clue.
Your random responses are of no interest.
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Jon wrote:
> Bigbird wrote...
>
> > Jon wrote:
> >
> > > Bigbird wrote...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Having a reserve tank that cannot be touched except under the
> > > > SC and requires that the car comes into the pit as soon as it
> > > > is open does seem the basis for a significant improvement. It
> > > > is worse in racing terms than the old rule but far better than
> > > > the current. Of course it is not someting that can be easily
> > > > implemented in a hurry.
> > > >
> > > > I expect those in the know should be able to come up with a
> > > > better solution making use of the common ECU and other systems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How do they refill the reserve tank? SC's often come out more
> > > than once.
> >
> > Well, seems I was right about you're modesty.
> >
> > A reserve tank is filled when the main tank is filled.
> >
> >
>
> Creating another potential fuckup. Separate filler, exra vents, more
> electronics, change in weight rulz.
No.
Please go and buy a clue.
Your random responses are of no interest.
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Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>
> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>
> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> said the change may not come until next season.
> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> admitted."
>
>
> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> the rulz are changing.
>
>
> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>
Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's bound
to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>
> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>
> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> said the change may not come until next season.
> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> admitted."
>
>
> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> the rulz are changing.
>
>
> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>
Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's bound
to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Agent 86 wrote...
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >
> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >
> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> > said the change may not come until next season.
> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> > admitted."
> >
> >
> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> > the rulz are changing.
> >
> >
> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >
> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >
>
> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's bound
> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>
>
>
The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
some knob has had an engine blowout?
Agent 86 wrote...
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >
> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >
> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> > said the change may not come until next season.
> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> > admitted."
> >
> >
> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> > the rulz are changing.
> >
> >
> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >
> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >
>
> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's bound
> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>
>
>
The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
some knob has had an engine blowout?
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> Agent 86 wrote...
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >
>> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >
>> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>> > said the change may not come until next season.
>> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>> > admitted."
>> >
>> >
>> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>> > the rulz are changing.
>> >
>> >
>> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
>> > genuinely
>> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> >
>> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >
>>
>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
>> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
>> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
>> bound
>> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
>> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
> very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
> some knob has had an engine blowout?
>
They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a field.
If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone. The
teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the pit
windows, and every so often it pays off.
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> Agent 86 wrote...
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >
>> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >
>> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>> > said the change may not come until next season.
>> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>> > admitted."
>> >
>> >
>> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>> > the rulz are changing.
>> >
>> >
>> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
>> > genuinely
>> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> >
>> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >
>>
>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
>> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
>> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
>> bound
>> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
>> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
> very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
> some knob has had an engine blowout?
>
They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a field.
If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone. The
teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the pit
windows, and every so often it pays off.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Agent 86 wrote:
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > Agent 86 wrote...
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> > > >
> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > >
> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> Domenicali >>> admitted."
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
> their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which
> are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> > > >
> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
> > > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or medical
> > > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period without getting
> > > hit or run over. It's bound to be problematic, but attending to
> > > HK under a tire wall without being clobbered by a similar
> > > situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
> > not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
> > because some knob has had an engine blowout?
> >
>
> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
> field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out,
> it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen
> to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get
> what they deserve. The frontrunners start the races with a flexible
> fuel strategy, adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at
> first to buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
> often it pays off.
Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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Agent 86 wrote:
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > Agent 86 wrote...
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> > > >
> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > >
> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> Domenicali >>> admitted."
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
> their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which
> are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> > > >
> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
> > > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or medical
> > > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period without getting
> > > hit or run over. It's bound to be problematic, but attending to
> > > HK under a tire wall without being clobbered by a similar
> > > situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
> > not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
> > because some knob has had an engine blowout?
> >
>
> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
> field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out,
> it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen
> to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get
> what they deserve. The frontrunners start the races with a flexible
> fuel strategy, adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at
> first to buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
> often it pays off.
Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> Agent 86 wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> > Agent 86 wrote...
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> > > >
>> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> > > >
>> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
>> their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which
>> are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> > > >
>> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>> > > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or medical
>> > > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period without getting
>> > > hit or run over. It's bound to be problematic, but attending to
>> > > HK under a tire wall without being clobbered by a similar
>> > > situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>> > not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>> > because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> >
>>
>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
>> field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out,
>> it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen
>> to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get
>> what they deserve. The frontrunners start the races with a flexible
>> fuel strategy, adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at
>> first to buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
>> often it pays off.
>
> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>
Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
AC
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> Agent 86 wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> > Agent 86 wrote...
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> > > >
>> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> > > >
>> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
>> their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which
>> are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> > > >
>> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>> > > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or medical
>> > > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period without getting
>> > > hit or run over. It's bound to be problematic, but attending to
>> > > HK under a tire wall without being clobbered by a similar
>> > > situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>> > not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>> > because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> >
>>
>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
>> field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out,
>> it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen
>> to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get
>> what they deserve. The frontrunners start the races with a flexible
>> fuel strategy, adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at
>> first to buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
>> often it pays off.
>
> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>
Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
AC
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> > Agent 86 wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> >>> Agent 86 wrote...
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> >>> > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >>> > >
> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>> > >
> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
> >>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> >>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>Domenicali >>> admitted."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
> the pits? >>> > >
> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
> >>> > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
> fuel shortage. >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
> >>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
> >>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
> > > >
> > >
> > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
> > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
> > > comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
> > > or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
> > > strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
> > > start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
> > > and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
> > > changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
> >
> > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
> > Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
> >
>
> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>
I, of course, refer to
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> > Agent 86 wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> >>> Agent 86 wrote...
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> >>> > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >>> > >
> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>> > >
> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
> >>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> >>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>Domenicali >>> admitted."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
> the pits? >>> > >
> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
> >>> > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
> fuel shortage. >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
> >>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
> >>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
> > > >
> > >
> > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
> > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
> > > comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
> > > or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
> > > strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
> > > start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
> > > and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
> > > changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
> >
> > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
> > Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
> >
>
> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>
I, of course, refer to
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Bigbird wrote:
> AC wrote:
>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>> the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>>>>>> bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>>>>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>>>>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>>>>>
>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>>>> comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>>>> or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>>>> strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>>>> start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>>>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>>>> changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>>> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>
>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>
>
> I, of course, refer to
> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>
> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>
Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world record
for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Bigbird wrote:
> AC wrote:
>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>> the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>>>>>> bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>>>>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>>>>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>>>>>
>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>>>> comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>>>> or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>>>> strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>>>> start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>>>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>>>> changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>>> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>
>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>
>
> I, of course, refer to
> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>
> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>
Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world record
for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote:
> Bigbird wrote:
> > AC wrote:
> >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> > > news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> > > > Agent 86 wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > > > > > Agent 86 wrote...
> > > > > >
> >>>>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> > > > > > > > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
> > > > > > > > optimistic
> >>>>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> > > > > > > > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know
> > > > > > > > if this
> >>>>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>>>Domenicali >>> admitted."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>>>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
> > > > > > > > they've
> >>fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> >>those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go
> to >>the pits? >>> > >
> > > > > > > > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance
> > > > > > > is bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers
> > > > > > > or
> >>medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
> >>without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
> >>problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
> >>being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than
> NH's >>fuel shortage. >>> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like
> > > > > > Sundays are not very common. Why should a front runner
> > > > > > have his race ruined because some knob has had an engine
> > > > > > blowout?
> > > > > >
> > > > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
> > > > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as
> > > > > the SC comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of
> > > > > the draw or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't
> > > > > adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
> > > > > frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy,
> > > > > adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at first to
> > > > > buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
> > > > > often it pays off.
> > > > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for
> > > > sure. Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
> > > >
> > > Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
> > >
> >
> > I, of course, refer to
> > * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
> >
> > where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> > similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
> >
>
> Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world
> record for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
I'm putting you on a caution for even suggesting anyone but the SC won
that race (me too).
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
forty wrote:
> Bigbird wrote:
> > AC wrote:
> >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> > > news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
> > > > Agent 86 wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > > > > > Agent 86 wrote...
> > > > > >
> >>>>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> > > > > > > > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
> > > > > > > > optimistic
> >>>>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> > > > > > > > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know
> > > > > > > > if this
> >>>>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>>>Domenicali >>> admitted."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>>>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
> > > > > > > > they've
> >>fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> >>those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go
> to >>the pits? >>> > >
> > > > > > > > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance
> > > > > > > is bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers
> > > > > > > or
> >>medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
> >>without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
> >>problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
> >>being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than
> NH's >>fuel shortage. >>> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like
> > > > > > Sundays are not very common. Why should a front runner
> > > > > > have his race ruined because some knob has had an engine
> > > > > > blowout?
> > > > > >
> > > > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
> > > > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as
> > > > > the SC comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of
> > > > > the draw or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't
> > > > > adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
> > > > > frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy,
> > > > > adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at first to
> > > > > buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
> > > > > often it pays off.
> > > > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for
> > > > sure. Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
> > > >
> > > Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
> > >
> >
> > I, of course, refer to
> > * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
> >
> > where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> > similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
> >
>
> Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world
> record for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
I'm putting you on a caution for even suggesting anyone but the SC won
that race (me too).
--
Pitwall is an online F1 manager game where you receive a team and need
to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
* tinyurl . com /5y6ls3
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Bigbird wrote:
> forty wrote:
>
>> Bigbird wrote:
>>> AC wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>> optimistic
>>>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know
>>>>>>>>> if this
>>>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go
>> to >>the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance
>>>>>>>> is bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers
>>>>>>>> or
>>>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>>>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>>>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>>>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than
>> NH's >>fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like
>>>>>>> Sundays are not very common. Why should a front runner
>>>>>>> have his race ruined because some knob has had an engine
>>>>>>> blowout?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as
>>>>>> the SC comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of
>>>>>> the draw or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't
>>>>>> adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
>>>>>> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy,
>>>>>> adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at first to
>>>>>> buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
>>>>>> often it pays off.
>>>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for
>>>>> sure. Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>>>
>>>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>>>
>>> I, of course, refer to
>>> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>>>
>>> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
>>> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>>>
>> Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world
>> record for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
>
> I'm putting you on a caution for even suggesting anyone but the SC won
> that race (me too).
>
Poor Graham...
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Bigbird wrote:
> forty wrote:
>
>> Bigbird wrote:
>>> AC wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>> optimistic
>>>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know
>>>>>>>>> if this
>>>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go
>> to >>the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance
>>>>>>>> is bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers
>>>>>>>> or
>>>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>>>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>>>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>>>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than
>> NH's >>fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like
>>>>>>> Sundays are not very common. Why should a front runner
>>>>>>> have his race ruined because some knob has had an engine
>>>>>>> blowout?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as
>>>>>> the SC comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of
>>>>>> the draw or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't
>>>>>> adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
>>>>>> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy,
>>>>>> adding more fuel and a bit of a weight penalty at first to
>>>>>> buy the option of changing the pit windows, and every so
>>>>>> often it pays off.
>>>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for
>>>>> sure. Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>>>
>>>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>>>
>>> I, of course, refer to
>>> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>>>
>>> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
>>> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>>>
>> Come one, give the man some credit. I'm sure that must be a world
>> record for breaking the most front wings and still winning the race.
>
> I'm putting you on a caution for even suggesting anyone but the SC won
> that race (me too).
>
Poor Graham...
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fpns3d49fit5003@news.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>> > Agent 86 wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> Agent 86 wrote...
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> >>> > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>> >>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>> >>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>> >>Domenicali >>> admitted."
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>> >>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>> the pits? >>> > >
>> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>> >>> > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> > > >
>> >>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>> >>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>> >>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>> > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>> > > comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>> > > or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>> > > strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>> > > start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>> > > and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>> > > changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>> >
>> > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>> > Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>> >
>>
>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>
>
> I, of course, refer to
> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Grand_Prix_Of_Cleveland
>
> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>
How did the safety car affect the result? It doesn't talk about that in the
wikipeadia article.
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fpns3d49fit5003@news.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>> > Agent 86 wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> Agent 86 wrote...
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> >>> > news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>> >>and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>> >>will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>> >>Domenicali >>> admitted."
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>> >>know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>> the pits? >>> > >
>> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>> >>> > bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> > > >
>> >>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>> >>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>> >>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>> > > bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>> > > comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>> > > or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>> > > strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>> > > start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>> > > and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>> > > changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>> >
>> > Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>> > Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>> >
>>
>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>
>
> I, of course, refer to
> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Grand_Prix_Of_Cleveland
>
> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>
How did the safety car affect the result? It doesn't talk about that in the
wikipeadia article.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Chad wrote:
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpns3d49fit5003@news.individual . net ...
>> AC wrote:
>>
>>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>>> the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>>>>>>> bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>>>>>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>>>>>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>>>>>>
>>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>>>>> comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>>>>> or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>>>>> strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>>>>> start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>>>>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>>>>> changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>>>> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>>
>>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>>
>> I, of course, refer to
>> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>>
>> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
>> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>>
>
> How did the safety car affect the result? It doesn't talk about that in the
> wikipeadia article.
>
>
>
The wiki article is very short on details. You'd have to watch the race.
Basically, due to safety car rules some fast drivers ended up pretty far
back in finishing order (cough, Graham, cough) and some drivers having a
bad day were up front (cough, PT, cough) due to dumb luck with when the
Safety Car came out and when they needed fuel.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Chad wrote:
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fpns3d49fit5003@news.individual . net ...
>> AC wrote:
>>
>>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>>> news:xn0fpnfej3s7qzb000@news.individual . net ...
>>>> Agent 86 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>> Agent 86 wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>>> and >>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>> will be >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>> Domenicali >>> admitted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>> know/decide when >>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>> fueled >>their >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>> those which >>are > genuinely >>> going to run out of fuel can go to
>>> the pits? >>> > >
>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is
>>>>>>> bunching the field behind the car so emergency workers or
>>> medical >>> > staff can attend to whatever caused the SC period
>>> without getting >>> > hit or run over. It's bound to be
>>> problematic, but attending to >>> > HK under a tire wall without
>>> being clobbered by a similar >>> > situation is more urgent than NH's
>>> fuel shortage. >>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are
>>>>>> not very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined
>>>>>> because some knob has had an engine blowout?
>>>>>>
>>>>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to
>>>>> bunch a field. If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC
>>>>> comes out, it's there snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw
>>>>> or could happen to anyone. The teams that don't adapt their
>>>>> strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The frontrunners
>>>>> start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
>>>>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of
>>>>> changing the pit windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>>> Have you ever watched a F1 race. Not very closely that is for sure.
>>>> Perhaps you are a Paul Tracy fan.
>>>>
>>> Oi, PT provided some of the best entertainment ever.
>>>
>> I, of course, refer to
>> * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 Grand Prix Of Cleveland
>>
>> where the crappiest driver on the day won the race thanks only to
>> similar SC rules that we have in F1 now.
>>
>
> How did the safety car affect the result? It doesn't talk about that in the
> wikipeadia article.
>
>
>
The wiki article is very short on details. You'd have to watch the race.
Basically, due to safety car rules some fast drivers ended up pretty far
back in finishing order (cough, Graham, cough) and some drivers having a
bad day were up front (cough, PT, cough) due to dumb luck with when the
Safety Car came out and when they needed fuel.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Agent 86 wrote...
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > Agent 86 wrote...
> >
> >>
> >> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >> >
> >> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >> >
> >> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >> > said the change may not come until next season.
> >> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >> > admitted."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >> > the rulz are changing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
> >> > genuinely
> >> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >> >
> >> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
> >> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
> >> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
> >> bound
> >> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
> >> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
> > very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
> > some knob has had an engine blowout?
> >
>
> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a field.
> If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
> snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone. The
> teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the pit
> windows, and every so often it pays off.
>
>
>
That's 2 clueless replies in a row. Can we expect any more gems from your befuddled brain?
Agent 86 wrote...
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
> > Agent 86 wrote...
> >
> >>
> >> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
> >> >
> >> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >> >
> >> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >> > said the change may not come until next season.
> >> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >> > admitted."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >> > the rulz are changing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
> >> > genuinely
> >> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >> >
> >> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching the
> >> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend to
> >> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
> >> bound
> >> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
> >> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel shortage.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
> > very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
> > some knob has had an engine blowout?
> >
>
> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a field.
> If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
> snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone. The
> teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve. The
> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more fuel
> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the pit
> windows, and every so often it pays off.
>
>
>
That's 2 clueless replies in a row. Can we expect any more gems from your befuddled brain?
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.228316e267330afc9896ee@66.250.146.159...
> Agent 86 wrote...
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> > Agent 86 wrote...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> >> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >> >
>> >> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>> >> > said the change may not come until next season.
>> >> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will
>> >> > be
>> >> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>> >> > admitted."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide
>> >> > when
>> >> > the rulz are changing.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
>> >> > their
>> >> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
>> >> > genuinely
>> >> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> >> >
>> >> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching
>> >> the
>> >> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend
>> >> to
>> >> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
>> >> bound
>> >> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
>> >> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel
>> >> shortage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
>> > very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
>> > some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> >
>>
>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
>> field.
>> If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
>> snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone.
>> The
>> teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve.
>> The
>> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more
>> fuel
>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the
>> pit
>> windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's 2 clueless replies in a row. Can we expect any more gems from your
> befuddled brain?
LOL. Mommy's home, off her computer now.
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.228316e267330afc9896ee@66.250.146.159...
> Agent 86 wrote...
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2282e8f7fd1598cd9896ed@66.250.146.159...
>> > Agent 86 wrote...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> >> news:MPG.22828a78eb01a49896ea@66.250.146.159...
>> >> >
>> >> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>> >> > said the change may not come until next season.
>> >> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will
>> >> > be
>> >> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>> >> > admitted."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide
>> >> > when
>> >> > the rulz are changing.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled
>> >> > their
>> >> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are
>> >> > genuinely
>> >> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>> >> >
>> >> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Once the SC is called out, the only matter of importance is bunching
>> >> the
>> >> field behind the car so emergency workers or medical staff can attend
>> >> to
>> >> whatever caused the SC period without getting hit or run over. It's
>> >> bound
>> >> to be problematic, but attending to HK under a tire wall without being
>> >> clobbered by a similar situation is more urgent than NH's fuel
>> >> shortage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > The SC is sent out for various reasons, accidents like Sundays are not
>> > very common. Why should a front runner have his race ruined because
>> > some knob has had an engine blowout?
>> >
>>
>> They all know the rules. All know how many laps it takes to bunch a
>> field.
>> If some team runs the fuel down to vapor as the SC comes out, it's there
>> snafu. It isn't so much luck of the draw or could happen to anyone.
>> The
>> teams that don't adapt their strategy, like BMW, get what they deserve.
>> The
>> frontrunners start the races with a flexible fuel strategy, adding more
>> fuel
>> and a bit of a weight penalty at first to buy the option of changing the
>> pit
>> windows, and every so often it pays off.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's 2 clueless replies in a row. Can we expect any more gems from your
> befuddled brain?
LOL. Mommy's home, off her computer now.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>
> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> said the change may not come until next season.
> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> admitted."
>
>
> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> the rulz are changing.
>
>
> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>
>
For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
nonsense F1 is currently doing.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jon wrote:
> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>
> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> said the change may not come until next season.
> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> admitted."
>
>
> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> the rulz are changing.
>
>
> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>
> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>
>
For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
nonsense F1 is currently doing.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
