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Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >
> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> > said the change may not come until next season.
> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> > admitted."
> >
> >
> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> > the rulz are changing.
> >
> >
> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >
> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >
> >
>
> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>
> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>
>
The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
going to put someone back in his race position?
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >
> > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> > said the change may not come until next season.
> > "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> > possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> > admitted."
> >
> >
> > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> > the rulz are changing.
> >
> >
> > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> > cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >
> > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >
> >
>
> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>
> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>
>
The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
going to put someone back in his race position?
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>
>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>> admitted."
>>>
>>>
>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>
>>>
>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>
>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>
>>>
>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>
>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>
>>
>
> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> going to put someone back in his race position?
>
>
>
>
>
It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>
>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>> admitted."
>>>
>>>
>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>
>>>
>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>
>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>
>>>
>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>
>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>
>>
>
> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> going to put someone back in his race position?
>
>
>
>
>
It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > forty wrote...
> >
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>
> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >>> admitted."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >>> the rulz are changing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >>>
> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> >> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> >> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> >> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> >> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> >> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> >> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>
> >> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> >> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> > second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> > going to put someone back in his race position?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
end up at the back of the race.
> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>
>
It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > forty wrote...
> >
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>
> >>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >>> admitted."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >>> the rulz are changing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> >>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >>>
> >>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> >> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> >> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> >> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> >> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> >> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> >> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>
> >> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> >> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> > second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> > going to put someone back in his race position?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
end up at the back of the race.
> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>
>
It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>>>> admitted."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>
>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
>> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
>> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
>
>
> They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
> change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
> end up at the back of the race.
>
That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
>
>
>> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>>
>>
>
> It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
>
>
All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>>>> admitted."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>
>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
>> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
>> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
>
>
> They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
> change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
> end up at the back of the race.
>
That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
>
>
>> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>>
>>
>
> It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
>
>
All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > forty wrote...
> >
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> forty wrote...
> >>>
> >>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >>>>> admitted."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >>>>> the rulz are changing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> >>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> >>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> >>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> >>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> >>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> >>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> >>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> >>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> >>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> >>> going to put someone back in his race position?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
> >> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
> >> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
> >
> >
> > They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
> > change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
> > end up at the back of the race.
> >
>
> That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
> regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
> fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
Are you really that dull? I'll explain in words suitable for a 5 year
old?
The safety car comes past the pits with all the cars behind it, in race
order.
Out of fuel car comes in for your splash and dash.
He rejoins the race at the back.
He cannot overtake anyone and stays there until the pits are opened.
He returns to pits for a full refill and tyre change.
He returns to race at the back.
Improvement over current situation - fuck all.
> >
> >> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
> >
> >
>
> All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
>
>
We know there a lot of Mad Max Rulz causing the buggeration of F1.
Are you after his job?
forty wrote...
> Jon wrote:
> > forty wrote...
> >
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> forty wrote...
> >>>
> >>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
> >>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
> >>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
> >>>>> admitted."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
> >>>>> the rulz are changing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
> >>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
> >>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
> >>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
> >>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
> >>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
> >>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> >>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
> >>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
> >>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> >>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> >>> going to put someone back in his race position?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
> >> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
> >> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
> >
> >
> > They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
> > change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
> > end up at the back of the race.
> >
>
> That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
> regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
> fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
Are you really that dull? I'll explain in words suitable for a 5 year
old?
The safety car comes past the pits with all the cars behind it, in race
order.
Out of fuel car comes in for your splash and dash.
He rejoins the race at the back.
He cannot overtake anyone and stays there until the pits are opened.
He returns to pits for a full refill and tyre change.
He returns to race at the back.
Improvement over current situation - fuck all.
> >
> >> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
> >
> >
>
> All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
>
>
We know there a lot of Mad Max Rulz causing the buggeration of F1.
Are you after his job?
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>>>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>>>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>>>>>> admitted."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>>>>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>>>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>>>>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>>>>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>>>>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>>>>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>>>>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>>>>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
>>>> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
>>>> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
>>>
>>> They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
>>> change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
>>> end up at the back of the race.
>>>
>> That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
>> regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
>> fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
>
>
> Are you really that dull? I'll explain in words suitable for a 5 year
> old?
Do you ever watch any actual racing?
> The safety car comes past the pits with all the cars behind it, in race
> order.
Depends on how long the safety car has been out.
> Out of fuel car comes in for your splash and dash.
> He rejoins the race at the back.
Not necessarily.
> He cannot overtake anyone and stays there until the pits are opened.
> He returns to pits for a full refill and tyre change.
> He returns to race at the back.
>
Not necessarily.
> Improvement over current situation - fuck all.
>
>
Incorrect. You came close to your goal - you made arguments using logic
suitable for a 5 year old.
>
>
>>>> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
>>>
>>>
>> All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
>>
>>
>
> We know there a lot of Mad Max Rulz causing the buggeration of F1.
> Are you after his job?
>
No, but perhaps I can recommend some products or services to improve
your reading comprehension.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic and
>>>>>>> said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this will be
>>>>>>> possible to be changed before the end of the season," Domenicali
>>>>>>> admitted."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to know/decide when
>>>>>>> the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've fueled their
>>>>>>> cars to after the start(& during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about closing the
>>>>>> pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going to run out of
>>>>>> fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a splash of
>>>>>> fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done on the car. The car can
>>>>>> take up its position on track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate
>>>>>> until the pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better than the
>>>>>> nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It doesn't put them back their race positions, but it does give them the
>>>> opportunity to duck into the pits to avoid running out of fuel. And it
>>>> is a 1 or 2 second squirt of fuel, not 7 - 8 seconds.
>>>
>>> They would still have to return to the pits for a proper refuel and tyre
>>> change, which would take the 6-8 seconds I mentioned. They would still
>>> end up at the back of the race.
>>>
>> That stop would happen regardless of the rule. So, in addition to the
>> regular fuel & tyre stop, they can either have a 1-2 second splash of
>> fuel or a 10 second stop-and-go. Do the math and reassess your comparison.
>
>
> Are you really that dull? I'll explain in words suitable for a 5 year
> old?
Do you ever watch any actual racing?
> The safety car comes past the pits with all the cars behind it, in race
> order.
Depends on how long the safety car has been out.
> Out of fuel car comes in for your splash and dash.
> He rejoins the race at the back.
Not necessarily.
> He cannot overtake anyone and stays there until the pits are opened.
> He returns to pits for a full refill and tyre change.
> He returns to race at the back.
>
Not necessarily.
> Improvement over current situation - fuck all.
>
>
Incorrect. You came close to your goal - you made arguments using logic
suitable for a 5 year old.
>
>
>>>> Again, as I said, it isn't perfect but it is better than what F1 has.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's a joking idea, only worthy of the bin.
>>>
>>>
>> All the more damning for the inferior F1 regulation, then.
>>
>>
>
> We know there a lot of Mad Max Rulz causing the buggeration of F1.
> Are you after his job?
>
No, but perhaps I can recommend some products or services to improve
your reading comprehension.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote:
> Jon wrote:
>> forty wrote...
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>>>>>> and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to the
>>>>>>>> pits?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going
>>>>>>> to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed
>>>>>>> and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done
>>>>>>> on the car. The car can take up its position on track and come
>>>>>>> back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits opens. This
>>>>>>> gives the car the ability to circulate until the pits open for
>>>>>>> proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a slight
>>>>>>> handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
(snip)
As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
penalty is more reasonable too.
forty wrote:
> Jon wrote:
>> forty wrote...
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less optimistic
>>>>>>>> and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to the
>>>>>>>> pits?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is going
>>>>>>> to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while closed
>>>>>>> and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be done
>>>>>>> on the car. The car can take up its position on track and come
>>>>>>> back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits opens. This
>>>>>>> gives the car the ability to circulate until the pits open for
>>>>>>> proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a slight
>>>>>>> handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
(snip)
As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
penalty is more reasonable too.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Geoff Briggs wrote:
> forty wrote:
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
>>>>>>>>> the pits?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
>>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
>>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
>>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
>>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
>>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
> served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>
>
> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
> fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
> penalty is more reasonable too.
That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
pits the next time he comes by.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Geoff Briggs wrote:
> forty wrote:
>> Jon wrote:
>>> forty wrote...
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
>>>>>>>>> the pits?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
>>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
>>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
>>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
>>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
>>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
> served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>
>
> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
> fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
> penalty is more reasonable too.
That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
pits the next time he comes by.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote:
> Geoff Briggs wrote:
> > forty wrote:
> > > Jon wrote:
> > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was
> > > > > > > > > > less optimistic and said the change may not come
> > > > > > > > > > until next season. "Well, I think that
> > > > > > > > > > realistically speaking I don't know if this will
> > > > > > > > > > be possible to be changed before the end of the
> > > > > > > > > > season," Domenicali admitted."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position
> > > > > > > > > > to know/decide when the rulz are changing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
> > > > > > > > > > they've fueled their cars to after the start(&
> > > > > > > > > > during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > > > > > > > > > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing
> > > > > > > > > about closing the pits when the safety car comes
> > > > > > > > > out. If a car is going to run out of fuel, it is
> > > > > > > > > allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a
> > > > > > > > > splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be
> > > > > > > > > done on the car. The car can take up its position on
> > > > > > > > > track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> > > > > > > > > tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the
> > > > > > > > > ability to circulate until the pits open for proper
> > > > > > > > > pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a
> > > > > > > > > slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's
> > > > > > > > > race.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is
> > > > > > > > > certainly better than the nonsense F1 is currently
> > > > > > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that
> > is served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
> >
> >
> > Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems
> > much fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc,
> > and the time penalty is more reasonable too.
>
> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim
> is to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A
> simple solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that
> the leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and
> open the pits the next time he comes by.
You are forgetting why the pits remain closed.
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forty wrote:
> Geoff Briggs wrote:
> > forty wrote:
> > > Jon wrote:
> > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > > > forty wrote...
> > > > > > > > > Jon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was
> > > > > > > > > > less optimistic and said the change may not come
> > > > > > > > > > until next season. "Well, I think that
> > > > > > > > > > realistically speaking I don't know if this will
> > > > > > > > > > be possible to be changed before the end of the
> > > > > > > > > > season," Domenicali admitted."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position
> > > > > > > > > > to know/decide when the rulz are changing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
> > > > > > > > > > they've fueled their cars to after the start(&
> > > > > > > > > > during the race), so those which are genuinely
> > > > > > > > > > going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing
> > > > > > > > > about closing the pits when the safety car comes
> > > > > > > > > out. If a car is going to run out of fuel, it is
> > > > > > > > > allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a
> > > > > > > > > splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be
> > > > > > > > > done on the car. The car can take up its position on
> > > > > > > > > track and come back in for a full fuel load and
> > > > > > > > > tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the
> > > > > > > > > ability to circulate until the pits open for proper
> > > > > > > > > pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a
> > > > > > > > > slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's
> > > > > > > > > race.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is
> > > > > > > > > certainly better than the nonsense F1 is currently
> > > > > > > > > doing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that
> > is served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
> >
> >
> > Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems
> > much fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc,
> > and the time penalty is more reasonable too.
>
> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim
> is to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A
> simple solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that
> the leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and
> open the pits the next time he comes by.
You are forgetting why the pits remain closed.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
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Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Bigbird wrote:
> forty wrote:
>
>> Geoff Briggs wrote:
>>> forty wrote:
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was
>>>>>>>>>>> less optimistic and said the change may not come
>>>>>>>>>>> until next season. "Well, I think that
>>>>>>>>>>> realistically speaking I don't know if this will
>>>>>>>>>>> be possible to be changed before the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>> season," Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position
>>>>>>>>>>> to know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
>>>>>>>>>>> they've fueled their cars to after the start(&
>>>>>>>>>>> during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing
>>>>>>>>>> about closing the pits when the safety car comes
>>>>>>>>>> out. If a car is going to run out of fuel, it is
>>>>>>>>>> allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a
>>>>>>>>>> splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be
>>>>>>>>>> done on the car. The car can take up its position on
>>>>>>>>>> track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>>>>>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the
>>>>>>>>>> ability to circulate until the pits open for proper
>>>>>>>>>> pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a
>>>>>>>>>> slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's
>>>>>>>>>> race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is
>>>>>>>>>> certainly better than the nonsense F1 is currently
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that
>>> is served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems
>>> much fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc,
>>> and the time penalty is more reasonable too.
>> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim
>> is to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A
>> simple solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that
>> the leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and
>> open the pits the next time he comes by.
>
> You are forgetting why the pits remain closed.
>
Indeed - retract
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Bigbird wrote:
> forty wrote:
>
>> Geoff Briggs wrote:
>>> forty wrote:
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was
>>>>>>>>>>> less optimistic and said the change may not come
>>>>>>>>>>> until next season. "Well, I think that
>>>>>>>>>>> realistically speaking I don't know if this will
>>>>>>>>>>> be possible to be changed before the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>> season," Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position
>>>>>>>>>>> to know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap
>>>>>>>>>>> they've fueled their cars to after the start(&
>>>>>>>>>>> during the race), so those which are genuinely
>>>>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel can go to the pits?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing
>>>>>>>>>> about closing the pits when the safety car comes
>>>>>>>>>> out. If a car is going to run out of fuel, it is
>>>>>>>>>> allowed to enter the pits while closed and get a
>>>>>>>>>> splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can be
>>>>>>>>>> done on the car. The car can take up its position on
>>>>>>>>>> track and come back in for a full fuel load and
>>>>>>>>>> tyres once the pits opens. This gives the car the
>>>>>>>>>> ability to circulate until the pits open for proper
>>>>>>>>>> pit stops without running out of fuel. It is a
>>>>>>>>>> slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's
>>>>>>>>>> race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is
>>>>>>>>>> certainly better than the nonsense F1 is currently
>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that
>>> is served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems
>>> much fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc,
>>> and the time penalty is more reasonable too.
>> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim
>> is to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A
>> simple solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that
>> the leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and
>> open the pits the next time he comes by.
>
> You are forgetting why the pits remain closed.
>
Indeed - retract
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
forty wrote...
> Geoff Briggs wrote:
> > forty wrote:
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> forty wrote...
> >>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>> forty wrote...
> >>>>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>>>> forty wrote...
> >>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
> >>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> >>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
> >>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> >>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
> >>>>>>>>> the pits?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
> >>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
> >>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
> >>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
> >>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
> >>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
> >>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
> >>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
> >>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
> > served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
> >
> >
> > Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
> > fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
> > penalty is more reasonable too.
>
> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
> to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
> solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
> leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
> pits the next time he comes by.
>
>
Now you're changing your idea.
Pah
forty wrote...
> Geoff Briggs wrote:
> > forty wrote:
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>> forty wrote...
> >>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>> forty wrote...
> >>>>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>>>> forty wrote...
> >>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
> >>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
> >>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
> >>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
> >>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
> >>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
> >>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
> >>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
> >>>>>>>>> the pits?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
> >>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
> >>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
> >>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
> >>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
> >>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
> >>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
> >>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
> >>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
> >>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
> > served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
> >
> >
> > Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
> > fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
> > penalty is more reasonable too.
>
> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
> to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
> solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
> leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
> pits the next time he comes by.
>
>
Now you're changing your idea.
Pah
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Geoff Briggs wrote:
>>> forty wrote:
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
>>>>>>>>>>> the pits?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
>>>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
>>>>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
>>>>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
>>>>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
>>>>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
>>>>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
>>> served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
>>> fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
>>> penalty is more reasonable too.
>> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
>> to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
>> solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
>> leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
>> pits the next time he comes by.
>>
>>
>
> Now you're changing your idea.
> Pah
>
>
Again, you need to improve your reading comprehension.
You seem to believe I was asserting F1 should adopt the IndyCar rule,
when in fact I proffered no such thing. Discuss hypothetical situations?
Yes. Assert that it should be implemented, or that it would even be the
best solution? No.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Jon wrote:
> forty wrote...
>
>> Geoff Briggs wrote:
>>> forty wrote:
>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> forty wrote...
>>>>>>>>>> Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> * w w w .autosport . com /news/report.php/id/67018
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ferrari's team principal Stefano Domenicali was less
>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic and said the change may not come until next season.
>>>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think that realistically speaking I don't know if this
>>>>>>>>>>> will be possible to be changed before the end of the season,"
>>>>>>>>>>> Domenicali admitted."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's pointless asking why Ferrari are in a position to
>>>>>>>>>>> know/decide when the rulz are changing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WTF can't teams tell Charlie Whiting/FIA which lap they've
>>>>>>>>>>> fueled their cars to after the start(& during the race), so
>>>>>>>>>>> those which are genuinely going to run out of fuel can go to
>>>>>>>>>>> the pits?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> F1 being murdered by a thousand cuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For consideration, there is a rule in IndyCar racing about
>>>>>>>>>> closing the pits when the safety car comes out. If a car is
>>>>>>>>>> going to run out of fuel, it is allowed to enter the pits while
>>>>>>>>>> closed and get a splash of fuel (1 or 2 seconds) but no work can
>>>>>>>>>> be done on the car. The car can take up its position on track
>>>>>>>>>> and come back in for a full fuel load and tyres once the pits
>>>>>>>>>> opens. This gives the car the ability to circulate until the
>>>>>>>>>> pits open for proper pit stops without running out of fuel. It
>>>>>>>>>> is a slight handicap, but it won't totally ruin a car's race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think the rule is perfect, but it is certainly better
>>>>>>>>>> than the nonsense F1 is currently doing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, the real problem is the amount of penalty that is
>>> served for entering a 'closed' pitlane.
>>>
>>>
>>> Change the 10 second 'stop - go' to a drive-through and it seems much
>>> fairer. No additional stress on the engines, gearbox, etc, and the time
>>> penalty is more reasonable too.
>> That and narrow the window of how long the pits are closed. The aim is
>> to prevent a mad dash to the pits once the SC is deployed, non? A simple
>> solution: close the pits once the SC is deployed, mandate that the
>> leader must cross the finish line after the SC is deployed, and open the
>> pits the next time he comes by.
>>
>>
>
> Now you're changing your idea.
> Pah
>
>
Again, you need to improve your reading comprehension.
You seem to believe I was asserting F1 should adopt the IndyCar rule,
when in fact I proffered no such thing. Discuss hypothetical situations?
Yes. Assert that it should be implemented, or that it would even be the
best solution? No.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Jon wrote:
> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> going to put someone back in his race position?
Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has the
chance to make up some positions in the pits.
Jon wrote:
> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
> going to put someone back in his race position?
Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has the
chance to make up some positions in the pits.
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
> Jon wrote:
>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>
> Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
> serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
> considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
> open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has the
> chance to make up some positions in the pits.
>
>
Ah, I see that you do watch racing. Bravo.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
> Jon wrote:
>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>
> Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
> serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
> considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
> open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has the
> chance to make up some positions in the pits.
>
>
Ah, I see that you do watch racing. Bravo.
--
"We always have hope of winning, because the others might lose..."
Monsieur Orgini - The Grand Prix of Gibraltar
Re: Safety Car nonsense will continue
On 2008-05-02 10:57:07 -0400, forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > said:
> Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
>> Jon wrote:
>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>
>> Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
>> serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
>> considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
>> open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has
>> the chance to make up some positions in the pits.
>>
>>
>
> Ah, I see that you do watch racing. Bravo.
What is the 'mad dash' to the pits?
so what? they all come in at the same time, has this caused a problem before?
Why is this all of a sudden very dangerous?
JP
--
?Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness.?
-Mark Twain
On 2008-05-02 10:57:07 -0400, forty <cforteR3M0V3@THISgmail . com > said:
> Who Needs Fenders? wrote:
>> Jon wrote:
>>> The driver would still have to pit twice. You're replacing the 10
>>> second stop/start with a 7-8 second refueling stop/start. HTF is that
>>> going to put someone back in his race position?
>>
>> Actually, this is better than a penalty. With a penalty, they must
>> serve it once the track goes back to green, dropping them back
>> considerably. Allowing them to pit with everyone else when the pits
>> open (1) the driver will be with the pack at the restart and (2) has
>> the chance to make up some positions in the pits.
>>
>>
>
> Ah, I see that you do watch racing. Bravo.
What is the 'mad dash' to the pits?
so what? they all come in at the same time, has this caused a problem before?
Why is this all of a sudden very dangerous?
JP
--
?Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness.?
-Mark Twain
