Formula One seems troubled

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On Sun, 04 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, RickyBobby wrote:

> Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
> Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are
> in disarray. These cannot be good developments.

Formula One needs to return to its roots - garagiste teams, rules that
govern only weight, dimensions and safety, classic F1 tracks, and a cheap
engine supplier. Bernie Ecclestone's grand vision of an elite
manufacturer's based series, based on rules that is turning F1 into a spec
series, run on numbingly dull tracks in the third world is imploding.

And just one more thing, bring back shaggy haired drivers who booze the
night before a race and have wild threesomes with pot-fueled groupies in
the motorhome just before the start of a race.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On May 6, 11:01 am, GuestUser <guestu...@mailer-fake.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, RickyBobby wrote:
> > Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
> > Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are
> > in disarray. These cannot be good developments.
>
> Formula One needs to return to its roots - garagiste teams, rules that
> govern only weight, dimensions and safety, classic F1 tracks, and a cheap
> engine supplier. Bernie Ecclestone's grand vision of an elite
> manufacturer's based series, based on rules that is turning F1 into a spec
> series, run on numbingly dull tracks in the third world is imploding.
>
> And just one more thing, bring back shaggy haired drivers who booze the
> night before a race and have wild threesomes with pot-fueled groupies in
> the motorhome just before the start of a race.

The history of F1 is different manufacturers competing.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
wrote:
>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
>disarray. These cannot be good developments.

None of that is new nor unique to this season.

--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Re: Formula One seems troubled



Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
> wrote:
>
>>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
>>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
>>disarray. These cannot be good developments.
>
>
> None of that is new nor unique to this season.
>

More of it, though, meaning a snappier swirl towards the bottom of the bowl.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On Wed, 07 May 2008 06:53:59 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>Raoul Duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
>>>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
>>>disarray. These cannot be good developments.
>>
>> None of that is new nor unique to this season.
>
>More of it, though, meaning a snappier swirl towards the bottom of the bowl.

Not nearly more of it, neither.

Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
the true nadir.


--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Re: Formula One seems troubled

Raoul Duke wrote:

>On Wed, 07 May 2008 06:53:59 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
>>>>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
>>>>disarray. These cannot be good developments.
>>>
>>> None of that is new nor unique to this season.
>>
>>More of it, though, meaning a snappier swirl towards the bottom of the bowl.
>
>Not nearly more of it, neither.
>
>Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
>the true nadir.

1988, remember it well. Total dominance. Shame about Ferrari.

--

Re: Formula One seems troubled



Raoul Duke wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 06:53:59 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>>Raoul Duke wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
>>>>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
>>>>disarray. These cannot be good developments.
>>>
>>>None of that is new nor unique to this season.
>>
>>More of it, though, meaning a snappier swirl towards the bottom of the bowl.
>
>
> Not nearly more of it, neither.
>
> Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
> the true nadir.
>
>


In 1988, that was a short-lived phenomenon.

Now, we have the overhang of Tilkedrome skidpadrings, which will taint
the racing year after year. The "gift" that keeps on giving.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

In article <s9q424d42ssnlkilefmfp0d0j8qtkpqjra@4ax . com >,
Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek says...
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 06:53:59 -0400, News <News@Group.name> wrote:
> >Raoul Duke wrote:
> >> On Sun, 4 May 2008 15:18:40 -0700, "RickyBobby" <nascar42@cox . net >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lots of different things going on this season and none of them are good.
> >>>Half of the races are run on rubbish courses and half of the teams are in
> >>>disarray. These cannot be good developments.
> >>
> >> None of that is new nor unique to this season.
> >
> >More of it, though, meaning a snappier swirl towards the bottom of the bowl.
>
> Not nearly more of it, neither.
>
> Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
> the true nadir.

AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..


yeah, I remember.


-Bob

Re: Formula One seems troubled

Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:

> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
> > the true nadir.
>
> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..


Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
1988.
>
> yeah, I remember.

You think you do, perhaps. But it's OK, we're all getting old. :-)

--
ric at pixelligence dot com

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:27 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
>> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
>> > the true nadir.
>>
>> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
>
>Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
>1988.

It is hard to keep track of what they were cheating, and when.


--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Re: Formula One seems troubled

Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:27 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
> >Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
> >> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
> >> > the true nadir.
> >>
> >> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
> >
> >Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
> >1988.
>
> It is hard to keep track of what they were cheating, and when.
>
>
>
It's all a big conspiracy. That's the only reason why I watch F1, now that
Flavio and Naomi Campbell have split up (and Kimi's on the wagon).

Re: Formula One seems troubled

Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
news:o47a2491b05lu9fpf23pvkikitu9bnl70q@4ax . com :

> On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:27 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
>>> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
>>> > the true nadir.
>>>
>>> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
>>
>>Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
>>1988.
>
> It is hard to keep track of what they were cheating, and when.
>
>

Except, they weren't.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:55:47 +0000, C Story <cstory@NOSPAM.magma.ca>
wrote:
>Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
>news:o47a2491b05lu9fpf23pvkikitu9bnl70q@4ax . com :
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:27 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>>Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
>>>> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
>>>> > the true nadir.
>>>>
>>>> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
>>>
>>>Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
>>>1988.
>>
>> It is hard to keep track of what they were cheating, and when.
>
>Except, they weren't.

Right...

Never.

Not once.

Least of all when they've admitted it.

...Nope.

Uh-ugh.



--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Re: Formula One seems troubled

Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
news:d81f2494sbgpd4t3fu02tin14m1qtt9fqk@4ax . com :

> On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:55:47 +0000, C Story <cstory@NOSPAM.magma.ca>
> wrote:
>>Raoul Duke <Owl.Farm@Woody.Creek> wrote in
>>news:o47a2491b05lu9fpf23pvkikitu9bnl70q@4ax . com :
>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:41:27 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>>>Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
>>>>> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That
>>>>> > was the true nadir.
>>>>>
>>>>> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
>>>>
>>>>Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
>>>>1988.
>>>
>>> It is hard to keep track of what they were cheating, and when.
>>
>>Except, they weren't.
>
> Right...
>
> Never.
>
> Not once.
>
> Least of all when they've admitted it.

Except, they didn't.

Re: Formula One seems troubled

ric zito <address@in.sig> writes
>Hell And High Water <bob.remove.helland@att . net > wrote:
>
>> > Anyone remember the season McLaren "won" all but one race? That was
>> > the true nadir.
>>
>> AHHHhhhh the 'Fiddle Brake' days... yeah..
>
>
>Er, no. The fiddle brake was 1997. The year Mark's talking about was
>1988.
>>
That was the brake system approved by the FIA?
The (visible) system that passed official FIA race scrutineering?
The one that got banned after Ferrari "had in a word" in Mosley's shell
like?
--
Peter

German Grand Prix (1980).
Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in the Williams garage
wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the car.

Larini (Ferrari 1994):
"I had a problem with the traction control"

Todt to Fontana (Jerez 1997)
"?By strict order of Ferrari, Villeneuve must be held up if you come
across him on the track"

Mika Salo (Ferrari 1999):
"When I was driving for Ferrari we always spied on McLaren"

Michael Schumacher, (Ferrari 2001):
"We came that close to the optimum in terms of engine management
that there wasn't much difference to real traction control"

Ferrari (Australian GP 2007)
Win the first race of the season with an illegal flexi-floor.

Nigel Stepney (2007)
"Do you think (chief designer) Nicolas Tombazis came to Ferrari
from Mclaren without something in his mind? The new Ferrari front
end aero came from McLaren.