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Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
Dave Baker <Null@null . com > writes
>I'm some some people on here will find my numerical analysis both valid and
>of interest
Always worth a read.
>and what you think about things is of vanishingly little
>consequence.
Indeed.
--
Peter
Dave Baker <Null@null . com > writes
>I'm some some people on here will find my numerical analysis both valid and
>of interest
Always worth a read.
>and what you think about things is of vanishingly little
>consequence.
Indeed.
--
Peter
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Kimi Fan" <kimisbest@gmail . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 28, 1:33 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>> "Kimi Fan" <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:7c4eb6f3-2e84-444a-a9fd-e5141b0db6cd@j33g2000pri.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> > I don't see what you are trying to achieve by posting this
>>
>> I doubt if that will come as a big surprise to anyone.
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>> Puma Race Engines
>
>
> By employing contextomy you simply weaken your own point of view. That
> might be a problem for you if you actually had something interesting
> to say. See the problem with so much data being available on the
> internet is that idiots like you can come along and try to interpret
> it selectively, make a number of bad assumptions, and attempt to state
> something as fact.
What's you well considered analysis then? Kimi is God? Ferrari are Allah?
What?
AC
"Kimi Fan" <kimisbest@gmail . com > wrote in message
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> On Apr 28, 1:33 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>> "Kimi Fan" <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>>
>> news:7c4eb6f3-2e84-444a-a9fd-e5141b0db6cd@j33g2000pri.googlegroups . com ...
>>
>> > I don't see what you are trying to achieve by posting this
>>
>> I doubt if that will come as a big surprise to anyone.
>> --
>> Dave Baker
>> Puma Race Engines
>
>
> By employing contextomy you simply weaken your own point of view. That
> might be a problem for you if you actually had something interesting
> to say. See the problem with so much data being available on the
> internet is that idiots like you can come along and try to interpret
> it selectively, make a number of bad assumptions, and attempt to state
> something as fact.
What's you well considered analysis then? Kimi is God? Ferrari are Allah?
What?
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in news:fv2vls$4uu$1@news.datemas.de:
> Just for fun I've adjusted the qualy times for fuel load based on when
> the cars pitted. I've estimated 0.09 seconds per lap's worth of fuel.
> Times have been adjusted to a qualy time based on fueling to pit on
> lap 21 like Kubica and Lewis. Where Heikki would have pitted if he
> hadn't crashed is unknown but I've assumed lap 22 i.e. the lap after
> Lewis as he clearly couldn't have pitted at the same time. Piquet
> can't be ranked having crashed on lap 6.
>
> This gives us the following number of laps adjustment. Kimi +1, Fred
> +5, Massa +2, Heikki -1, Webber +1, Trulli +1, Heidfeld -3.
>
> The table then becomes.
>
> 1 Kimi .....1.21.893
> 2 Kubica..1.22.065
> 3 Lewis....1.22.096
> 4 Heikki...1.22.141
> 5 Massa...1.22.238
> 6 Heidfeld 1.22.272
> 7 Alonso..1.22.354
> 8 Webber.1.22.519
> 9 Trulli......1.22.619
>
> So pretty good for BMW, it looks like Massa just dropped a couple of
> tenths somewhere on his best run and Renault was flattered by nearly
> half a second compared to their true pace.
>
> I think the actual race results reflect the above fairly well with
> Alonso dropping back to 6th before retiring and Massa getting a good
> start.
>
> On true pace there's probably less than 3 tenths covering Ferrari,
> McLaren and BMW now with that being the current real running order.
> Kubica appears to be the outstanding driver compared to his team mate
> but it's a lot closer than it first appeared with Heidfeld only a
> couple of tenths off the pace rather than the half a second deficit he
> had in qualy due to being fueled heavy.
I think the race pace is a different story though. Ferrari weren't
properly able to exploit their kindness to the tyres and long run pace
because of the 2 SCs and the last stint being run in conservation mode.
Qualifying pace is as you say a different story though and just as last
season Ferrari run the perpetual risk of qualifying behind a slower car
in race pace. It looks like a half a second to me in race pace, but I'm
not convinced Kimi ever really pushed during the race.
--
CatharticF1
The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for
that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in news:fv2vls$4uu$1@news.datemas.de:
> Just for fun I've adjusted the qualy times for fuel load based on when
> the cars pitted. I've estimated 0.09 seconds per lap's worth of fuel.
> Times have been adjusted to a qualy time based on fueling to pit on
> lap 21 like Kubica and Lewis. Where Heikki would have pitted if he
> hadn't crashed is unknown but I've assumed lap 22 i.e. the lap after
> Lewis as he clearly couldn't have pitted at the same time. Piquet
> can't be ranked having crashed on lap 6.
>
> This gives us the following number of laps adjustment. Kimi +1, Fred
> +5, Massa +2, Heikki -1, Webber +1, Trulli +1, Heidfeld -3.
>
> The table then becomes.
>
> 1 Kimi .....1.21.893
> 2 Kubica..1.22.065
> 3 Lewis....1.22.096
> 4 Heikki...1.22.141
> 5 Massa...1.22.238
> 6 Heidfeld 1.22.272
> 7 Alonso..1.22.354
> 8 Webber.1.22.519
> 9 Trulli......1.22.619
>
> So pretty good for BMW, it looks like Massa just dropped a couple of
> tenths somewhere on his best run and Renault was flattered by nearly
> half a second compared to their true pace.
>
> I think the actual race results reflect the above fairly well with
> Alonso dropping back to 6th before retiring and Massa getting a good
> start.
>
> On true pace there's probably less than 3 tenths covering Ferrari,
> McLaren and BMW now with that being the current real running order.
> Kubica appears to be the outstanding driver compared to his team mate
> but it's a lot closer than it first appeared with Heidfeld only a
> couple of tenths off the pace rather than the half a second deficit he
> had in qualy due to being fueled heavy.
I think the race pace is a different story though. Ferrari weren't
properly able to exploit their kindness to the tyres and long run pace
because of the 2 SCs and the last stint being run in conservation mode.
Qualifying pace is as you say a different story though and just as last
season Ferrari run the perpetual risk of qualifying behind a slower car
in race pace. It looks like a half a second to me in race pace, but I'm
not convinced Kimi ever really pushed during the race.
--
CatharticF1
The thinking man:
"They say Kimi's ice-cool, like he's flat-lined, but I think my
subconscious is pretty much like that"
Gracious:
"I was able to trick him into out-braking himself .. I apologise for
that
but .. we got the points, so it doesn't really matter."
And from humble beginnings:
"..avoid getting caught up with all the monkeys at the back."
Lewis Hamilton
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
news:fv2vls$4uu$1@news.datemas.de...
> Just for fun I've adjusted the qualy times for fuel load based on when the
> cars pitted. I've estimated 0.09 seconds per lap's worth of fuel. Times
> have been adjusted to a qualy time based on fueling to pit on lap 21 like
> Kubica and Lewis. Where Heikki would have pitted if he hadn't crashed is
> unknown but I've assumed lap 22 i.e. the lap after Lewis as he clearly
> couldn't have pitted at the same time. Piquet can't be ranked having
> crashed on lap 6.
>
> This gives us the following number of laps adjustment. Kimi +1, Fred +5,
> Massa +2, Heikki -1, Webber +1, Trulli +1, Heidfeld -3.
>
> The table then becomes.
>
> 1 Kimi .....1.21.893
> 2 Kubica..1.22.065
> 3 Lewis....1.22.096
> 4 Heikki...1.22.141
> 5 Massa...1.22.238
> 6 Heidfeld 1.22.272
> 7 Alonso..1.22.354
> 8 Webber.1.22.519
> 9 Trulli......1.22.619
>
> So pretty good for BMW, it looks like Massa just dropped a couple of
> tenths somewhere on his best run and Renault was flattered by nearly half
> a second compared to their true pace.
>
> I think the actual race results reflect the above fairly well with Alonso
> dropping back to 6th before retiring and Massa getting a good start.
>
> On true pace there's probably less than 3 tenths covering Ferrari, McLaren
> and BMW now with that being the current real running order. Kubica appears
> to be the outstanding driver compared to his team mate but it's a lot
> closer than it first appeared with Heidfeld only a couple of tenths off
> the pace rather than the half a second deficit he had in qualy due to
> being fueled heavy.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
>
How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing circuit?
Will the car spread out at the next GP?
Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
AC
"Dave Baker" <Null@null . com > wrote in message
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> Just for fun I've adjusted the qualy times for fuel load based on when the
> cars pitted. I've estimated 0.09 seconds per lap's worth of fuel. Times
> have been adjusted to a qualy time based on fueling to pit on lap 21 like
> Kubica and Lewis. Where Heikki would have pitted if he hadn't crashed is
> unknown but I've assumed lap 22 i.e. the lap after Lewis as he clearly
> couldn't have pitted at the same time. Piquet can't be ranked having
> crashed on lap 6.
>
> This gives us the following number of laps adjustment. Kimi +1, Fred +5,
> Massa +2, Heikki -1, Webber +1, Trulli +1, Heidfeld -3.
>
> The table then becomes.
>
> 1 Kimi .....1.21.893
> 2 Kubica..1.22.065
> 3 Lewis....1.22.096
> 4 Heikki...1.22.141
> 5 Massa...1.22.238
> 6 Heidfeld 1.22.272
> 7 Alonso..1.22.354
> 8 Webber.1.22.519
> 9 Trulli......1.22.619
>
> So pretty good for BMW, it looks like Massa just dropped a couple of
> tenths somewhere on his best run and Renault was flattered by nearly half
> a second compared to their true pace.
>
> I think the actual race results reflect the above fairly well with Alonso
> dropping back to 6th before retiring and Massa getting a good start.
>
> On true pace there's probably less than 3 tenths covering Ferrari, McLaren
> and BMW now with that being the current real running order. Kubica appears
> to be the outstanding driver compared to his team mate but it's a lot
> closer than it first appeared with Heidfeld only a couple of tenths off
> the pace rather than the half a second deficit he had in qualy due to
> being fueled heavy.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
>
How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing circuit?
Will the car spread out at the next GP?
Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
> How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> circuit?
That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time at.
> Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development work to
create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to be
crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back out
again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BMW
any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest at
different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
likely to be close.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
"AC" <xxxx@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
> How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> circuit?
That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time at.
> Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development work to
create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to be
crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back out
again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BMW
any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest at
different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
likely to be close.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
> "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > circuit?
>
> That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time at.
>
> > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development work to
> create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to be
> crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back out
> again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BMW
> any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest at
> different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> likely to be close.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
too.
On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
> "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > circuit?
>
> That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time at.
>
> > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development work to
> create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to be
> crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back out
> again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BMW
> any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest at
> different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> likely to be close.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
too.
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
On Apr 27, 8:55 pm, Kimi Fan <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> >news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > > circuit?
>
> > That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> > couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time a=
t.
>
> > > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed=
> > > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> > With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> > gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development wor=
k to
> > create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to =
be
> > crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back =
out
> > again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BM=
W
> > any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> > taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest=
at
> > different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> > present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> > likely to be close.
> > --
> > Dave Baker
> > Puma Race Engines
>
> Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
> than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
> Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
> class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
> between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
> expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
> too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Probably why Ron Dennis had the nasty comment about Kubica. Kubica
may be the coming man in F1 with BMW also getting better. Quick (and
consistent as hell) Nick got screwed by FIA for stopping for fuel
under the yellow because Nick was about to run out of fuel.
Ron's snide comment toward Kubica was due to BMW nipping at McLaren's
heels. The suits in Stuttgart can handle being beaten by Ferrari but
when BMW starts to beat them then they get really upset.
Ferrari is in a class on their own as is Kimi. Massa gets a lot of
crap but he is a very good number 2. Kimi is incredibly quick and
Massa stays pretty close to him.
On Apr 27, 8:55 pm, Kimi Fan <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> >news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > > circuit?
>
> > That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> > couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time a=
t.
>
> > > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed=
> > > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> > With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> > gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development wor=
k to
> > create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to =
be
> > crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back =
out
> > again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting BM=
W
> > any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> > taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest=
at
> > different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> > present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> > likely to be close.
> > --
> > Dave Baker
> > Puma Race Engines
>
> Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
> than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
> Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
> class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
> between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
> expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
> too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Probably why Ron Dennis had the nasty comment about Kubica. Kubica
may be the coming man in F1 with BMW also getting better. Quick (and
consistent as hell) Nick got screwed by FIA for stopping for fuel
under the yellow because Nick was about to run out of fuel.
Ron's snide comment toward Kubica was due to BMW nipping at McLaren's
heels. The suits in Stuttgart can handle being beaten by Ferrari but
when BMW starts to beat them then they get really upset.
Ferrari is in a class on their own as is Kimi. Massa gets a lot of
crap but he is a very good number 2. Kimi is incredibly quick and
Massa stays pretty close to him.
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Hello Freddie" <Ark321@juno . com > wrote in message
news:db7b3168-35f3-43d5-9268-f5f67ddfbd4c@c19g2000prf.googlegroups . com ...
On Apr 27, 8:55 pm, Kimi Fan <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> >news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > > circuit?
>
> > That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> > couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time
> > at.
>
> > > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> > > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> > With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> > gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development
> > work to
> > create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to
> > be
> > crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back
> > out
> > again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting
> > BMW
> > any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> > taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest
> > at
> > different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> > present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> > likely to be close.
> > --
> > Dave Baker
> > Puma Race Engines
>
> Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
> than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
> Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
> class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
> between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
> expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
> too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>Probably why Ron Dennis had the nasty comment about Kubica. Kubica
>may be the coming man in F1 with BMW also getting better. Quick (and
>consistent as hell) Nick got screwed by FIA for stopping for fuel
>under the yellow because Nick was about to run out of fuel.
>
>Ron's snide comment toward Kubica was due to BMW nipping at McLaren's
>heels. The suits in Stuttgart can handle being beaten by Ferrari but
>when BMW starts to beat them then they get really upset.
Shame you have to be so vicious about it, because I happen to agree with
your point.
>
>Ferrari is in a class on their own as is Kimi. Massa gets a lot of
>crap but he is a very good number 2. Kimi is incredibly quick and
>Massa stays pretty close to him.
Kimi is not in a class of his own. Well he may be, but its not the top
class. He's no Schumacher and no better than several drivers in F1. Alonso
included. If Kimi was this super pilot, he would have done much better in
Mclaren. Very good driver, yes. Great guy, yes. Great driver, in the Fangio
sense of the word, no way.
Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits thought
it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
AC
"Hello Freddie" <Ark321@juno . com > wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 8:55 pm, Kimi Fan <kimisb...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:16 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null . com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "AC" <x...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> >news:3p8Rj.93056$4f4.4128@newsfe6-win.ntli . net ...
>
> > > How much of the closeness is down to the circuit being no1 testing
> > > circuit?
>
> > That's probably a big part of it. It would be a sad admission if anyone
> > couldn't get their car setup well on a circuit they spend so much time
> > at.
>
> > > Will the car spread out at the next GP?
>
> > > Also, I think this kinda proves my hypothisis that Mclaren are screwed
> > > becasue they will spend all year fighting the BMWs.
>
> > With the engine freeze and single tyre manufacturer things are bound to
> > gradually get closer together as there is less scope for development
> > work to
> > create differences between the cars. These first few races are going to
> > be
> > crucial because I can't see the top three teams suddenly spreading back
> > out
> > again later in the season. However I don't think McLaren are fighting
> > BMW
> > any more than they're fighting Ferrari. All three teams look capable of
> > taking poles and wins as their various strengths and weaknesses manifest
> > at
> > different circuits. Ferrari just appear to retain a very slight edge at
> > present. I think they'll hang on to that for a while but the season is
> > likely to be close.
> > --
> > Dave Baker
> > Puma Race Engines
>
> Excuse me, but how exactly are Mclaren fighting Ferrari any more so
> than, say, Team Force India? Mclaren took a win in Australia because
> Ferrari had problems but have hardly featured since. Ferrari is in a
> class of it's own this year whereas there is not much to choose
> between BMW or Mclaren other than a single opportunisitic win. I
> expect BMW will pick up an opportunistic win at some stage this year
> too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>Probably why Ron Dennis had the nasty comment about Kubica. Kubica
>may be the coming man in F1 with BMW also getting better. Quick (and
>consistent as hell) Nick got screwed by FIA for stopping for fuel
>under the yellow because Nick was about to run out of fuel.
>
>Ron's snide comment toward Kubica was due to BMW nipping at McLaren's
>heels. The suits in Stuttgart can handle being beaten by Ferrari but
>when BMW starts to beat them then they get really upset.
Shame you have to be so vicious about it, because I happen to agree with
your point.
>
>Ferrari is in a class on their own as is Kimi. Massa gets a lot of
>crap but he is a very good number 2. Kimi is incredibly quick and
>Massa stays pretty close to him.
Kimi is not in a class of his own. Well he may be, but its not the top
class. He's no Schumacher and no better than several drivers in F1. Alonso
included. If Kimi was this super pilot, he would have done much better in
Mclaren. Very good driver, yes. Great guy, yes. Great driver, in the Fangio
sense of the word, no way.
Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits thought
it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
AC wrote...
>
> Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits thought
> it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
>
All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be no
point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to race
without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to take
further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several obvious
and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump all the joking
aero bits which have only been added to stop overtaking, return to fully
manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre break discs and use narrower
wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent mirrors - I wonder how much that is
affecting overtaking - I'd not want to overtake Chin the Jock at the
next GP.
AC wrote...
>
> Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits thought
> it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
>
All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be no
point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to race
without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to take
further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several obvious
and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump all the joking
aero bits which have only been added to stop overtaking, return to fully
manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre break discs and use narrower
wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent mirrors - I wonder how much that is
affecting overtaking - I'd not want to overtake Chin the Jock at the
next GP.
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> AC wrote...
>
>
>>
>> Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits
>> thought
>> it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
>>
>
> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>
> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be no
> point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to race
> without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to take
> further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several obvious
> and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump all the joking
> aero bits which have only been added to stop overtaking, return to fully
> manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre break discs and use narrower
> wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent mirrors - I wonder how much that is
> affecting overtaking - I'd not want to overtake Chin the Jock at the
> next GP.
>
>
Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
AC
"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> AC wrote...
>
>
>>
>> Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment. Brits
>> thought
>> it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as well.
>>
>
> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>
> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be no
> point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to race
> without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to take
> further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several obvious
> and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump all the joking
> aero bits which have only been added to stop overtaking, return to fully
> manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre break discs and use narrower
> wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent mirrors - I wonder how much that is
> affecting overtaking - I'd not want to overtake Chin the Jock at the
> next GP.
>
>
Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
AC wrote:
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> > AC wrote...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> > > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> > > well.
> > >
> >
> > All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> > overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> >
> > If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be
> > no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to
> > race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to
> > take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several
> > obvious and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump
> > all the joking aero bits which have only been added to stop
> > overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre
> > break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent
> > mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking - I'd not
> > want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> >
> >
>
> Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
>
First rate motorsports entertainment...
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AC wrote:
>
> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> > AC wrote...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> > > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> > > well.
> > >
> >
> > All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> > overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> >
> > If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be
> > no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to
> > race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to
> > take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several
> > obvious and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump
> > all the joking aero bits which have only been added to stop
> > overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre
> > break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent
> > mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking - I'd not
> > want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> >
> >
>
> Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
>
First rate motorsports entertainment...
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
>> > AC wrote...
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
>> > > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
>> > > well.
>> > >
>> >
>> > All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
>> > overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>> >
>> > If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be
>> > no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to
>> > race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to
>> > take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several
>> > obvious and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump
>> > all the joking aero bits which have only been added to stop
>> > overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre
>> > break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent
>> > mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking - I'd not
>> > want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
>>
>
> First rate motorsports entertainment...
>
> --
Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it and its
great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like F1 !!!! Plus,
you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm still finding that cool
!!!
I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently liking
Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers wrecked by
getting in to F1..........
AC
"Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
>> > AC wrote...
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
>> > > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
>> > > well.
>> > >
>> >
>> > All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
>> > overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>> >
>> > If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna be
>> > no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible to
>> > race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not to
>> > take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are several
>> > obvious and simple changes they could make for next season. Dump
>> > all the joking aero bits which have only been added to stop
>> > overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon fibre
>> > break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit decent
>> > mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking - I'd not
>> > want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it F1.
>>
>
> First rate motorsports entertainment...
>
> --
Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it and its
great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like F1 !!!! Plus,
you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm still finding that cool
!!!
I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently liking
Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers wrecked by
getting in to F1..........
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> >>> AC wrote...
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> >>> > well.
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> > > >
> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
> > > F1.
> > >
> >
> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
> >
> > --
>
> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
> and its great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
> still finding that cool !!!
>
> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>
> And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers
> wrecked by getting in to F1..........
>
Careers, maybe, but certainly not their bank-balances.
--
Paul-B
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> >>> AC wrote...
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> >>> > well.
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> > > >
> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
> > > F1.
> > >
> >
> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
> >
> > --
>
> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
> and its great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
> still finding that cool !!!
>
> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>
> And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers
> wrecked by getting in to F1..........
>
Careers, maybe, but certainly not their bank-balances.
--
Paul-B
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
"Paul-B" <paul@rasf1 . net > wrote in message
news:67m9dvF2ksi38U1@mid.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
>> > AC wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> AC wrote...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
>> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
>> >>> > well.
>> >>> >
>> > > >
>> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
>> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>> > > >
>> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
>> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
>> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
>> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
>> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
>> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
>> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
>> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
>> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
>> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
>> > > F1.
>> > >
>> >
>> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
>> and its great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
>> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
>> still finding that cool !!!
>>
>> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
>> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>>
>> And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers
>> wrecked by getting in to F1..........
>>
>
> Careers, maybe, but certainly not their bank-balances.
>
> --
> Paul-B
Kinda says it all. Sort of.
AC
"Paul-B" <paul@rasf1 . net > wrote in message
news:67m9dvF2ksi38U1@mid.individual . net ...
> AC wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
>> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
>> > AC wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
>> >>> AC wrote...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
>> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
>> >>> > well.
>> >>> >
>> > > >
>> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
>> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
>> > > >
>> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
>> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
>> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
>> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
>> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
>> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
>> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
>> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
>> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
>> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
>> > > F1.
>> > >
>> >
>> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
>> and its great fun. And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
>> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
>> still finding that cool !!!
>>
>> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
>> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>>
>> And to think that some of those drivers will have their careers
>> wrecked by getting in to F1..........
>>
>
> Careers, maybe, but certainly not their bank-balances.
>
> --
> Paul-B
Kinda says it all. Sort of.
AC
Re: Qualy times adjusted for fuel load
AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> >>> AC wrote...
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> >>> > well.
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> > > >
> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
> > > F1.
> > >
> >
> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
> >
> > --
>
> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
> and its great fun.
Far from it. Barcelona was tame compared to a good many of the races
last year. GP2Asia was also great fun.
It is quite something to watch these cars (or at least the 2005 -2007
car) fight side by side through several consecutive corners.
I just hope they haven't taken the wrong direction with the new car. It
does appear it may be a handful, which is good.
> And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
> still finding that cool !!!
>
> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>
GP2Asia used detuned versions of last years cars. Grosjean ran away
with it with 4 poles and 4 wins over the 5 rounds (10 races)...made a
pigs ear of the last though.
Turkey should give us a good idea of what the season will be like.
You really get to see the character of the drivers in GP2 expressed in
their driving. Many styles and a cross section of ability.
I think I'm going to miss the Eurosport commentators though.
--
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to develop the team to get on the top podium position! Pitwall is
entirely free! No sh*t!
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AC wrote:
>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.UsenetREMOVTHS@Gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:xn0fph3cyfh2p0006@news.individual . net ...
> > AC wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Jon" <me@privvy . net > wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.227fd8f833afd35d9896d8@66.250.146.159...
> >>> AC wrote...
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry, but there is NO stand out driver in F1 at the moment.
> >>> > Brits thought it might be Lewis, but that seems untrue now as
> >>> > well.
> >>> >
> > > >
> >>> All the time races are won by the polesitter and there's fuck all
> >>> overtaking, there's no point in looking for an outstanding driver.
> > > >
> >>> If they don't soon address the overtaking problem, there's gonna
> be >>> no point in attending/watching F1. They've show it's possible
> to >>> race without some of the technology, so there is no reason not
> to >>> take further steps (backwards!) get some racing. There are
> several >>> obvious and simple changes they could make for next
> season. Dump >>> all the joking aero bits which have only been added
> to stop >>> overtaking, return to fully manual gearboxes, ban carbon
> fibre >>> break discs and use narrower wheels/tyres. Oh and fit
> decent >>> mirrors - I wonder how much that is affecting overtaking -
> I'd not >>> want to overtake Chin the Jock at the next GP.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just been watching GP2 and I had an insane thought: Just call it
> > > F1.
> > >
> >
> > First rate motorsports entertainment...
> >
> > --
>
> Hope you not being sarcastic, because I've just started watching it
> and its great fun.
Far from it. Barcelona was tame compared to a good many of the races
last year. GP2Asia was also great fun.
It is quite something to watch these cars (or at least the 2005 -2007
car) fight side by side through several consecutive corners.
I just hope they haven't taken the wrong direction with the new car. It
does appear it may be a handful, which is good.
> And if you sort of squint a bit it even looks like
> F1 !!!! Plus, you get the name Senna being commentated on, and I'm
> still finding that cool !!!
>
> I don't know squat about it just yet, no idea who's who (currently
> liking Grosjean till I know better), but it most entertaining.
>
GP2Asia used detuned versions of last years cars. Grosjean ran away
with it with 4 poles and 4 wins over the 5 rounds (10 races)...made a
pigs ear of the last though.
Turkey should give us a good idea of what the season will be like.
You really get to see the character of the drivers in GP2 expressed in
their driving. Many styles and a cross section of ability.
I think I'm going to miss the Eurosport commentators though.
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