Group: rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated
Discussion of Formula One racing. (Moderated)
Add group to favorites
Back to post list
Send new message to group Search:
Post Subject:
Winning by more than one minute
Winning by more than one minute
Since refuelling stops divided GPs into two or three sprint sections
large margins of victory are rare. Lewis Hamilton's win at Silverstone
was only the second time in the 21st century.
GBR 2008 1'08.577 L Hamilton N Heidfeld
GER 2003 1'05.459 JP Montoya D Coulthard
There were seven instances in the 1990s:
AUS 1995 2 laps D Hill O Panis
GBR 1994 1'08.128 D Hill J Alesi [MS disq.]
Pac 1994 1'15.300 M Schumacher G Berger
BRA 1994 1 lap M Schumacher D Hill
HUN 1993 1'11.915 D Hill R Patrese
Eur 1993 1'23.199 A Senna D Hill
RSA 1993 1'19.824 A Prost A Senna
And ten in the 1980s:
AUS 1987 1'07.884 G Berger M Alboreto [Senna disq.]
GER 1987 1'39.591 N Piquet S Johansson
AUT 1986 1 lap A Prost M Alboreto
GBR 1985 1 lap A Prost M Alboreto
RSM 1985 1 lap E de Angelis T Boutsen
POR 1985 1'02.978 A Senna M Alboreto
RSA 1984 1'05.950 N Lauda A Prost
GER 1983 1'10.652 R Arnoux A de Cesaris
MON 1982 1 lap R Patrese D Pironi
MON 1980 1'13.629 C Reutemann J Laffite
Only five in the 1970s:
JPN 1977 1'02.45 J Hunt C Reutemann
JPN 1976 1 lap M Andretti P Depailler
GER 1975 1'37.7 C Reutemann J Laffite
GBR 1975 1 lap E Fittipaldi C Pace
ESP 1970 1 lap J Stewart B McLaren
I haven't collected all the details yet, but the other two decades had
many instances:
1960s 29
1950s 31
Germany 1968 stands out - Jackie Stewart led Graham Hill home by more
than four minutes. Surprisingly there were several earlier races where
the margin was more than two minutes (but not over one lap):
BEL 1963 4'54 J Clark B McLaren
ITA 1960 2'27 P Hill R Ginther
POR 1958 5'13 S Moss M Hawthorn
GER 1958 3'29 A Brooks R Salvadori
Pes 1957 3'14 S Moss JM Fangio
Ind 1955 2'44 B Sweikert T Bettenhausen [Indy 500]
BEL 1953 2'48 A Ascari L Villoresi
Ind 1953 3'32 B Vukovich A Cross [Indy 500]
Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
SUI 1952 2'37 P Taruffi R Fischer
BEL 1951 2'51 G Farina A Ascari
--
Brian
Since refuelling stops divided GPs into two or three sprint sections
large margins of victory are rare. Lewis Hamilton's win at Silverstone
was only the second time in the 21st century.
GBR 2008 1'08.577 L Hamilton N Heidfeld
GER 2003 1'05.459 JP Montoya D Coulthard
There were seven instances in the 1990s:
AUS 1995 2 laps D Hill O Panis
GBR 1994 1'08.128 D Hill J Alesi [MS disq.]
Pac 1994 1'15.300 M Schumacher G Berger
BRA 1994 1 lap M Schumacher D Hill
HUN 1993 1'11.915 D Hill R Patrese
Eur 1993 1'23.199 A Senna D Hill
RSA 1993 1'19.824 A Prost A Senna
And ten in the 1980s:
AUS 1987 1'07.884 G Berger M Alboreto [Senna disq.]
GER 1987 1'39.591 N Piquet S Johansson
AUT 1986 1 lap A Prost M Alboreto
GBR 1985 1 lap A Prost M Alboreto
RSM 1985 1 lap E de Angelis T Boutsen
POR 1985 1'02.978 A Senna M Alboreto
RSA 1984 1'05.950 N Lauda A Prost
GER 1983 1'10.652 R Arnoux A de Cesaris
MON 1982 1 lap R Patrese D Pironi
MON 1980 1'13.629 C Reutemann J Laffite
Only five in the 1970s:
JPN 1977 1'02.45 J Hunt C Reutemann
JPN 1976 1 lap M Andretti P Depailler
GER 1975 1'37.7 C Reutemann J Laffite
GBR 1975 1 lap E Fittipaldi C Pace
ESP 1970 1 lap J Stewart B McLaren
I haven't collected all the details yet, but the other two decades had
many instances:
1960s 29
1950s 31
Germany 1968 stands out - Jackie Stewart led Graham Hill home by more
than four minutes. Surprisingly there were several earlier races where
the margin was more than two minutes (but not over one lap):
BEL 1963 4'54 J Clark B McLaren
ITA 1960 2'27 P Hill R Ginther
POR 1958 5'13 S Moss M Hawthorn
GER 1958 3'29 A Brooks R Salvadori
Pes 1957 3'14 S Moss JM Fangio
Ind 1955 2'44 B Sweikert T Bettenhausen [Indy 500]
BEL 1953 2'48 A Ascari L Villoresi
Ind 1953 3'32 B Vukovich A Cross [Indy 500]
Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
SUI 1952 2'37 P Taruffi R Fischer
BEL 1951 2'51 G Farina A Ascari
--
Brian
Re: Winning by more than one minute
In article <6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
says...
> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>
I wonder how this was possible. :-)
I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
was about 1'06"...
--
#14
In article <6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
says...
> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>
I wonder how this was possible. :-)
I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
was about 1'06"...
--
#14
Re: Winning by more than one minute
"#14" <nospam@libero,it > wrote:
> In article <6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
> says...
>> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>>
>
> I wonder how this was possible. :-)
> I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
> was about 1'06"...
Someone told me that at certain times in its history the race didn't end
when the winner crossed the line. All those still running were allowed
to complete the full 200 laps. Those who were many laps behind would be
'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
I haven't found any official information to confirm that though.
"#14" <nospam@libero,it > wrote:
> In article <6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
> says...
>> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>>
>
> I wonder how this was possible. :-)
> I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
> was about 1'06"...
Someone told me that at certain times in its history the race didn't end
when the winner crossed the line. All those still running were allowed
to complete the full 200 laps. Those who were many laps behind would be
'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
I haven't found any official information to confirm that though.
Re: Winning by more than one minute
In article <6djak7F2s073U1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
says...
> Those who were many laps behind would be
> 'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
>
That makes sense, thanks Brian.
--
#14
In article <6djak7F2s073U1@mid.individual,net >, Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com
says...
> Those who were many laps behind would be
> 'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
>
That makes sense, thanks Brian.
--
#14
Re: Winning by more than one minute
On Jul 9, 4:20 am, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian W Lawre...@msn,com > wrote:
> "#14" <nos...@libero,it > wrote:
> > In article <6de1qlF20r6...@mid.individual,net >, Brian W Lawre...@msn.com
> > says...
> >> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>
> > I wonder how this was possible. :-)
> > I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
> > was about 1'06"...
>
> Someone told me that at certain times in its history the race didn't end
> when the winner crossed the line. All those still running were allowed
> to complete the full 200 laps. Those who were many laps behind would be
> 'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
>
> I haven't found any official information to confirm that though.
It's true - I recall this from listening to the live radio coverage
when I was a kid in the 1950s. (Although I grew up in LA we had
relatives in Indiana whose Christmas gift every year was a month-of-
May subscription to the /Indianapolis Star/, so the 500 was my
earliest racing interest.)
The finishing tables in Mike Lang's /Grand Prix!/ confirm that the
practice continued as late as 1960 (the last WDC-associated Indy
500). That year the 13th-placed car is recorded as completing 200
laps, but over 12 minutes behind the winner; 14th through 16th were
"flagged" at 196 laps or fewer.
--
Mark Jackson - http :// www .alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
The law does not pretend to punish everything that is
dishonest. That would seriously interfere with business.
- Clarence Darrow
On Jul 9, 4:20 am, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian W Lawre...@msn,com > wrote:
> "#14" <nos...@libero,it > wrote:
> > In article <6de1qlF20r6...@mid.individual,net >, Brian W Lawre...@msn.com
> > says...
> >> Ind 1952 4'03 T Ruttman J Rathmann [Indy 500]
>
> > I wonder how this was possible. :-)
> > I don't have the race report at hand, but at that time one lap of Indy
> > was about 1'06"...
>
> Someone told me that at certain times in its history the race didn't end
> when the winner crossed the line. All those still running were allowed
> to complete the full 200 laps. Those who were many laps behind would be
> 'flagged off' and appear in the results with that designation.
>
> I haven't found any official information to confirm that though.
It's true - I recall this from listening to the live radio coverage
when I was a kid in the 1950s. (Although I grew up in LA we had
relatives in Indiana whose Christmas gift every year was a month-of-
May subscription to the /Indianapolis Star/, so the 500 was my
earliest racing interest.)
The finishing tables in Mike Lang's /Grand Prix!/ confirm that the
practice continued as late as 1960 (the last WDC-associated Indy
500). That year the 13th-placed car is recorded as completing 200
laps, but over 12 minutes behind the winner; 14th through 16th were
"flagged" at 196 laps or fewer.
--
Mark Jackson - http :// www .alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
The law does not pretend to punish everything that is
dishonest. That would seriously interfere with business.
- Clarence Darrow
Re: Winning by more than one minute
"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com > wrote in message
news:6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Since refuelling stops divided GPs into two or three sprint sections
> large margins of victory are rare. Lewis Hamilton's win at Silverstone
> was only the second time in the 21st century.
One suspects the margin may be larger in the wet than the dry...?
Paul
"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn,com > wrote in message
news:6de1qlF20r6uU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Since refuelling stops divided GPs into two or three sprint sections
> large margins of victory are rare. Lewis Hamilton's win at Silverstone
> was only the second time in the 21st century.
One suspects the margin may be larger in the wet than the dry...?
Paul
