Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
run the company.


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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:30:08 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
wrote:

>Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
>run the company.

Er, no. And his comments in the press conference won't have helped
very much either, or those to the Spanish press saying it was
McLaren's decision.

Is he trying to leave early? ;)
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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:15:03 +0100, Stephen M Baines
<usenet@localhost.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:30:08 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
>wrote:
>
>>Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
>>run the company.
>
>Er, no. And his comments in the press conference won't have helped
>very much either, or those to the Spanish press saying it was
>McLaren's decision.
>
>Is he trying to leave early? ;)

It certainly looks that way!


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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:25:04 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:15:03 +0100, Stephen M Baines
><usenet@localhost.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:30:08 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
>>>run the company.
>>
>>Er, no. And his comments in the press conference won't have helped
>>very much either, or those to the Spanish press saying it was
>>McLaren's decision.
>>
>>Is he trying to leave early? ;)
>
>It certainly looks that way!

I hope he has a large garden to tend.
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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

Stephen M Baines wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:30:08 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
> wrote:
>
>> Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
>> run the company.
>
> Er, no. And his comments in the press conference won't have helped
> very much either, or those to the Spanish press saying it was
> McLaren's decision.
>
> Is he trying to leave early? ;)

If he isn't, he might be in for a nasty shock. If Ron wasn't thinking
about his replacement before, he must be now.

In other news, Jean Todt says all the evidence points to BMW being in
posession of a Ferrari grid slot, but the FIA imposes no penalty.
Corriere dello Sport claims Ron Dennis was seen giving Massa's car the
Evil Eye. "I was just %^*&ing *&%$£#ed off," protests Dennis.

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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

"Kim Andrews" <somerat@hotmail,com > wrote in message
news:2lv8b319e60t7c8a3sm23r61s0snf0q9lt@4ax,com ...
> Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
> run the company.
>

Alonso says McLaren to blame for hold-up
http :// www .autosport,com /news/report.php/id/61339

"The team always decides when I have to get moving," Alonso told Spanish
reporters after qualifying.
---------------

Well, I just reviewed the recording, and f that's the case, why did Fred
wait 10 more seconds after the lollipop was lifted?

Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

"Silent Observer" <harrynospam@comcast,net > wrote in message
news:DL-dnc6kZtwtGinbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> "Kim Andrews" <somerat@hotmail,com > wrote in message
> news:2lv8b319e60t7c8a3sm23r61s0snf0q9lt@4ax,com ...
>> Gosh! Ron is *not* going to take kindly to somebody else thinking they
>> run the company.
>>
>
> Alonso says McLaren to blame for hold-up
> http :// www .autosport,com /news/report.php/id/61339
>
> "The team always decides when I have to get moving," Alonso told Spanish
> reporters after qualifying.
> ---------------
>
> Well, I just reviewed the recording, and f that's the case, why did Fred
> wait 10 more seconds after the lollipop was lifted?
>

And the stewards seem to be investigating just that
http :// www .planet-f1,com /story/0,18954,3213_2640622,00.html

Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)


>> Alonso says McLaren to blame for hold-up
>> http :// www .autosport,com /news/report.php/id/61339
>>
>> "The team always decides when I have to get moving," Alonso told Spanish
>> reporters after qualifying.
>> ---------------
>>
>> Well, I just reviewed the recording, and f that's the case, why did Fred
>> wait 10 more seconds after the lollipop was lifted?
>>
>
> And the stewards seem to be investigating just that
> http :// www .planet-f1,com /story/0,18954,3213_2640622,00.html
>
>
>
Unbelievable. Ron says it was all Hamilton's fault.
http :// f1.gpupdate,net /en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/

Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

Art MacNeil wrote:

> Unbelievable. Ron says it was all Hamilton's fault.
> http :// f1.gpupdate,net /en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/

It's a plausible explanation, but it certainly didn't *look* like Lewis
he was angry with at the time. Fault on both sides, maybe, and this is
the diplomatically agreed "line"?

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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:05:14 +0100, Duncan Snowden
<dss@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

>Art MacNeil wrote:
>
>> Unbelievable. Ron says it was all Hamilton's fault.
>> http :// f1.gpupdate,net /en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/
>
>It's a plausible explanation, but it certainly didn't *look* like Lewis
>he was angry with at the time. Fault on both sides, maybe, and this is
>the diplomatically agreed "line"?

In light of the Stewards decision, it looks like they believed it as
much as I do. As much as the racing *is* actually racing this year,
the politics around the year are seriously doing me in. The only
saving grace at the moment is a lack of James Allen for me.
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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:45:05 +0100, Stephen M Baines
<usenet@localhost.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:05:14 +0100, Duncan Snowden
><dss@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Art MacNeil wrote:
>>
>>> Unbelievable. Ron says it was all Hamilton's fault.
>>> http :// f1.gpupdate,net /en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/
>>
>>It's a plausible explanation, but it certainly didn't *look* like Lewis
>>he was angry with at the time. Fault on both sides, maybe, and this is
>>the diplomatically agreed "line"?
>
>In light of the Stewards decision, it looks like they believed it as
>much as I do.

er... given that the Stewards have penalised the whole team, I think
it entirely possible that they do believe it. I find it quite feasible
myself, without going a far as saying "it's all Lewis's fault". If
Lewis had disobeyed an earlier team instruction, it would explain why
Alonso was so furious as to go for payback. Unfortunately for him, his
tactic was clearly visible to the authorities while anything Lewis
might have done earlier was quite unnoticeable. My instant reaction
was that Alonso had been a complete bastard and would be lucky to keep
his job. If Lewis *had* been playing silly buggers earlier, then he's
a bit of a bastard, and they'll just get their heads knocked together
and be reminded who's boss. I doubt we'll know the full truth until
somebody retires and writes their memoirs!


> As much as the racing *is* actually racing this year,
>the politics around the year are seriously doing me in. The only
>saving grace at the moment is a lack of James Allen for me.

He's better. No, really. There's less screaming and he shuts up for
some of the on-board stuff. And it has to be said, he *does* make
fewer mistakes than the Blessed Murray.

We had Damon instead of Martin yesterday. Didn't do a bad job for a
newbie. :o)

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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:50:06 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
wrote:

>On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 06:45:05 +0100, Stephen M Baines
><usenet@localhost.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 03:05:14 +0100, Duncan Snowden
>><dss@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Art MacNeil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unbelievable. Ron says it was all Hamilton's fault.
>>>> http :// f1.gpupdate,net /en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/
>>>
>>>It's a plausible explanation, but it certainly didn't *look* like Lewis
>>>he was angry with at the time. Fault on both sides, maybe, and this is
>>>the diplomatically agreed "line"?
>>
>>In light of the Stewards decision, it looks like they believed it as
>>much as I do.
>
>er... given that the Stewards have penalised the whole team, I think
>it entirely possible that they do believe it.

Maybe I'm misreading the stewards notice, but it sounds to me like
they don't believe it.

"The explanation given by Alonso as to why at the expiration of the 20
second period he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10
seconds is *not accepted*. The Stewards find that he unnecessarily
impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised
by a loss of 5 grid positions.

The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso
stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and
therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is *not accepted*."

Maybe it was my reading of "not accepted" to say they didn't believe
it in lieu of "not acceptable" to mean they believe it and don't want
it happening.

> My instant reaction
>was that Alonso had been a complete bastard and would be lucky to keep
>his job.

My thoughts were pretty much the same. I was only sorry not to have
learnt any decent Swedish swear words yet.

>> As much as the racing *is* actually racing this year,
>>the politics around the year are seriously doing me in. The only
>>saving grace at the moment is a lack of James Allen for me.
>
>He's better. No, really. There's less screaming and he shuts up for
>some of the on-board stuff. And it has to be said, he *does* make
>fewer mistakes than the Blessed Murray.

I'll have to trust you on that :)

>We had Damon instead of Martin yesterday. Didn't do a bad job for a
>newbie. :o)

Depening on what way the wind is blowing, we may be lucky enough to
get the race on ITV or 5 Live this afternoon to go with Swedish
pictures. Between 12pm and 3pm reception from the UK is awful!
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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:05:03 +0100, Stephen M Baines
<usenet@localhost.kitschcamppalace.org.uk> wrote:

(snipping will no doubt bugger attributes, sorry and tough!)

>>>>It's a plausible explanation, but it certainly didn't *look* like Lewis
>>>>he was angry with at the time. Fault on both sides, maybe, and this is
>>>>the diplomatically agreed "line"?
>>>
>>>In light of the Stewards decision, it looks like they believed it as
>>>much as I do.
>>
>>er... given that the Stewards have penalised the whole team, I think
>>it entirely possible that they do believe it.
>
>Maybe I'm misreading the stewards notice, but it sounds to me like
>they don't believe it.
>
>"The explanation given by Alonso as to why at the expiration of the 20
>second period he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10
>seconds is *not accepted*. The Stewards find that he unnecessarily
>impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised
>by a loss of 5 grid positions.

This is about Alonso's claim that he was delayed by discussing tyre
changes. They had the radio transcript which proved this a lie, so
they didn't believe it. That doesn't seem to me to bear at all on what
Ron is saying about Lewis triggering the spat.

>
>The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso
>stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and
>therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is *not accepted*."

Same as above, the explanation given by the team to the stewards isn't
the area that we were failing to believe, it's Ron's comments reported
in the press about how it all started.

>
>Maybe it was my reading of "not accepted" to say they didn't believe
>it in lieu of "not acceptable" to mean they believe it and don't want
>it happening.

I think we're just talking about different details of the story.

>
>> My instant reaction
>>was that Alonso had been a complete bastard and would be lucky to keep
>>his job.
>
>My thoughts were pretty much the same. I was only sorry not to have
>learnt any decent Swedish swear words yet.

If you listened *really* carefully, you could probably have learned
some Spanish ones. ;o)

>
>>> As much as the racing *is* actually racing this year,
>>>the politics around the year are seriously doing me in. The only
>>>saving grace at the moment is a lack of James Allen for me.
>>
>>He's better. No, really. There's less screaming and he shuts up for
>>some of the on-board stuff. And it has to be said, he *does* make
>>fewer mistakes than the Blessed Murray.
>
>I'll have to trust you on that :)

It's probably safest. Better still doesn't mean great. :o)

>
>>We had Damon instead of Martin yesterday. Didn't do a bad job for a
>>newbie. :o)
>
>Depening on what way the wind is blowing, we may be lucky enough to
>get the race on ITV or 5 Live this afternoon to go with Swedish
>pictures. Between 12pm and 3pm reception from the UK is awful!

What lousy timing! It's a plot. Let's blame Ron Dennis. :o)


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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:20:05 +0100, Kim Andrews <somerat@hotmail,com >
wrote:
>On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:05:03 +0100, Stephen M Baines

>>Maybe I'm misreading the stewards notice, but it sounds to me like
>>they don't believe it.

>This is about Alonso's claim that he was delayed by discussing tyre
>changes. They had the radio transcript which proved this a lie, so
>they didn't believe it. That doesn't seem to me to bear at all on what
>Ron is saying about Lewis triggering the spat.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

>>> My instant reaction
>>>was that Alonso had been a complete bastard and would be lucky to keep
>>>his job.
>>
>>My thoughts were pretty much the same. I was only sorry not to have
>>learnt any decent Swedish swear words yet.
>
>If you listened *really* carefully, you could probably have learned
>some Spanish ones. ;o)

*chuckle* Shame it all detracted from a good race, really. I'm half
tempted to just watch the qualifying and racing on Viasat and not read
any of the websites at all, then at least I could enjoy the racing. I
enjoyed the days when the decent scandals surrounded dodgy money deals
and who owns Larrousse this week. Which reminds me...

Totally off-beam, but this weekend the onboard camera of the BMW made
the nose blue, pink and white, and looked oh so much like a Moneytron
Onyx :)

>>Depening on what way the wind is blowing, we may be lucky enough to
>>get the race on ITV or 5 Live this afternoon to go with Swedish
>>pictures. Between 12pm and 3pm reception from the UK is awful!
>
>What lousy timing! It's a plot. Let's blame Ron Dennis. :o)

I thought it was all Couglan and Stepney's fault?

Reception came back just as the race ended, so I heard Ron Dennis
sounding cheery. :/
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Re: Hungary qualifying drama (could turn into a SPOILER)

In article <l9sab3tf1l010aopvcj8pv184csc261cq2@4ax,com >, Kim Andrews
<somerat@hotmail,com > writes:

> We had Damon instead of Martin yesterday. Didn't do a bad job for a
> newbie. :o)

I liked his comment on the stewards saying that MacLaren couldn't go
on the podium for the contructors' trophy award - "what will they have
next, the naughty chair?"

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