Head wants reverse grids

Head wants reverse grids

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Marcus

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Marcus Streets wrote:

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>
> Marcus

Heh!

Patrick stirring it up, as usual. Good for him.

Actually, if we really need to see more overtaking-in-anger why not just stop blue-flags for leaders lapping and make
them fight for position?

Sometimes the simpler answers are the best.

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Paul-B

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Paul-B wrote:
> Marcus Streets wrote:
>
>> http :// news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7282861.stm
>>
>> Marcus
>
> Heh!
>
> Patrick stirring it up, as usual. Good for him.
>
> Actually, if we really need to see more overtaking-in-anger why not
> just stop blue-flags for leaders lapping and make them fight for
> position?
>
> Sometimes the simpler answers are the best.

Not really - you'd have to ban refuelling for that to work.
--
John Briggs

Re: Head wants reverse grids

John Briggs wrote:
> Paul-B wrote:
>> Marcus Streets wrote:
>>
>>> http :// news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula one/7282861.stm
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>
>> Heh!
>>
>> Patrick stirring it up, as usual. Good for him.
>>
>> Actually, if we really need to see more overtaking-in-anger why not
>> just stop blue-flags for leaders lapping and make them fight for
>> position?
>>
>> Sometimes the simpler answers are the best.
>
> Not really - you'd have to ban refuelling for that to work.

I think refuelling and tyre changes are the bane of F1 - it makes it too
easy for drivers to gain places by strategy rather than driving and I
want to watch driving.

If you qualify in the same tyre, you have to choose between a tyre good
for one lap and one good for the race - which tends to lead to the early
leaders trying desperately to keep faster cars behind them once their
tyres have gone off.

If we simply want to know who can drive the course fastest we would have
a time trial rather than a race.

Marcus

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Marcus Streets wrote:
> John Briggs wrote:
>> Paul-B wrote:
>>> Marcus Streets wrote:
>>>
>>>> http :// news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7282861.stm
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Heh!
>>>
>>> Patrick stirring it up, as usual. Good for him.
>>>
>>> Actually, if we really need to see more overtaking-in-anger why not
>>> just stop blue-flags for leaders lapping and make them fight for
>>> position?
>>>
>>> Sometimes the simpler answers are the best.
>>
>> Not really - you'd have to ban refuelling for that to work.
>
> I think refuelling and tyre changes are the bane of F1 - it makes it
> too easy for drivers to gain places by strategy rather than driving
> and I want to watch driving.
>
> If you qualify in the same tyre, you have to choose between a tyre
> good for one lap and one good for the race - which tends to lead to
> the early leaders trying desperately to keep faster cars behind them
> once their tyres have gone off.
>
> If we simply want to know who can drive the course fastest we would
> have a time trial rather than a race.

But I don't want to see slower cars blocking faster ones. (Especially to
employ team tactics.) Do we want to make overtaking easier or harder?
--
John Briggs

Re: Head wants reverse grids

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:25:04 +0000, in rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld,com > wrote:

>But I don't want to see slower cars blocking faster ones. (Especially to
>employ team tactics.) Do we want to make overtaking easier or harder?

If a faster car can't overtake a slower one, then it is not a good
driver. Good blocking can be entertaining too. Remember Coulthard
couldn't overtake an Arrows (Bernoldi) in the 2001 GP of Monaco [1].

Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
the season.

Nico

[1] http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=UZWPBNVZKdc
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Re: Head wants reverse grids

Nico Bartels wrote:

>
> Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
> the season.

No it's not.

--
Paul-B

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

Re: Head wants reverse grids

On Mar 12, 10:35 am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
> Nico Bartels wrote:
>
> > Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
> > the season.
>
> No it's not.
> --
> Paul-B

Huh? Passing at Monaco is only possible if the driver ahead makes a
mistake and even then the overtaker needs to be pretty damn good.

Or did I miss the joke? Apologies if I did.

beers,
build

Re: Head wants reverse grids

In article
<8ae341c6-21e6-4080-95ff-0e73ea23cef7@e25g2000prg.googlegroups,com >,
build <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:

> On Mar 12, 10:35 am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
> > Nico Bartels wrote:
> >
> > > Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
> > > the season.
> >
> > No it's not.
> > --
> > Paul-B
>
> Huh? Passing at Monaco is only possible if the driver ahead makes a
> mistake and even then the overtaker needs to be pretty damn good.

I think Paul meant that Monaco was *not* the most popular race of the
season.

--
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indianajoe3@comcast,net | - Charlie Chaplin

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Indiana Joe wrote:

> In article
> <8ae341c6-21e6-4080-95ff-0e73ea23cef7@e25g2000prg.googlegroups,com >,
> build <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 10:35 am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
> > > Nico Bartels wrote:
> > >
> > > > Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
> > > > the season.
> > >
> > > No it's not.
> > > --
> > > Paul-B
> >
> > Huh? Passing at Monaco is only possible if the driver ahead makes a
> > mistake and even then the overtaker needs to be pretty damn good.
>
> I think Paul meant that Monaco was not the most popular race of the
> season.

Correct. I'm only guessing, though, it's certainly not *my* most popular race of the season, but others may differ.
Unless you get brave/foolish drivers in fast cars who are prepared to pass each-other and fight for position
(Mansell/Senna) it's not much more than a procession, although you see some great precision driving when a skilful
driver uses the whole of the track minuis 1 cm each side :-)

--
Paul-B

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Paul-B wrote:
> Correct. I'm only guessing, though, it's certainly not *my* most
> popular race of the season, but others may differ.
> Unless you get brave/foolish drivers in fast cars who are prepared
> to pass each-other and fight for position (Mansell/Senna) it's not
> much more than a procession, although you see some great precision
> driving when a skilful driver uses the whole of the track minuis 1
> cm each side :-)

I like Monaco but it's certainly not about thrilling racing, more about
thrilling driving. Monaco made a lot less sense with traction control
but with driver aids removed it will start to be a proper test of
ability again, IMO.

--
Phil

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Re: Head wants reverse grids

Phil Newnham wrote:

> Paul-B wrote:
> > Correct. I'm only guessing, though, it's certainly not my most
> > popular race of the season, but others may differ.
> > Unless you get brave/foolish drivers in fast cars who are prepared
> > to pass each-other and fight for position (Mansell/Senna) it's not
> > much more than a procession, although you see some great precision
> > driving when a skilful driver uses the whole of the track minuis 1
> > cm each side :-)
>
> I like Monaco but it's certainly not about thrilling racing, more about thrilling driving. Monaco made a lot less
> sense with traction control but with driver aids removed it will start to be a proper test of ability again, IMO.

Oh I do hope so. Contrary to given opinion it's not impossible to overtake at Monaco, it just need a driver with huge
cojones passing a driver who is aware of what's happening around him.

I'm looking forward to this season immensely , and who knows, perhaps Monaco will be something to remember for the
racing as well as for the drivers' car-control :-)

--
Paul-B

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

Re: Head wants reverse grids

Paul-B wrote:
> Phil Newnham wrote:
>
>> I like Monaco but it's certainly not about thrilling racing, more
>> about thrilling driving. Monaco made a lot less
>> sense with traction control but with driver aids removed it will
>> start to be a proper test of ability again, IMO.
>
> Oh I do hope so. Contrary to given opinion it's not impossible to
> overtake at Monaco, it just need a driver with huge
> cojones passing a driver who is aware of what's happening around him.

No argument there.

> I'm looking forward to this season immensely , and who knows, perhaps
>> Monaco will be something to remember for the
> racing as well as for the drivers' car-control :-)

I've got real mixed feelings about the season. I'm going to be watching
F1 with commentary I don't understand, if I do watch it (but with live
timing that's no big deal). The thing that worries me is that the
politics isn't dealt with - that if McLaren start winning races, Ferrari
will start whinging to the press about what happened last year, and then
Max will feel bound to pass some unhelpful comment simply because he
loves the sound of his own voice. I think I'd rather watch the MotoGP
and not worry too much about F1.

--
Phil

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Re: Head wants reverse grids

Phil Newnham wrote:
>
> I like Monaco but it's certainly not about thrilling racing, more about
> thrilling driving. Monaco made a lot less sense with traction control
> but with driver aids removed it will start to be a proper test of
> ability again, IMO.
>

Anyone remember Berger during the "grenade" turbo era leaving two big
black lines as his Ferrari, right on the edge of out-right wheelspin
exited Casino Square? Lets hope we see some of that again!


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Re: Head wants reverse grids

[Default] Thus spake build <buildy@gmail,com >:

>On Mar 12, 10:35 am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
>> Nico Bartels wrote:
>>
>> > Overtaking is difficult in Monaco, yet it is the most popular race of
>> > the season.
>>
>> No it's not.
>> --
>> Paul-B
>
>Huh? Passing at Monaco is only possible if the driver ahead makes a
>mistake and even then the overtaker needs to be pretty damn good.

The only way for the leader to be passed is if he pulls over to the
side and slows down at the finish to wave to his crew.

>
>Or did I miss the joke? Apologies if I did.
>
>beers,
>build