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Brundle and Allen
Brundle and Allen
Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
they are man enough to give one?
Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
they are man enough to give one?
Re: Brundle and Allen
build wrote:
> Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> they are man enough to give one?
Why should they? They owe Alonso nothing, since he wasn't watching them at the
time.
They're ex racing drivers and they called it as they saw it at the time.
Which is what they're paid to do.
--
Paul-B
build wrote:
> Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> they are man enough to give one?
Why should they? They owe Alonso nothing, since he wasn't watching them at the
time.
They're ex racing drivers and they called it as they saw it at the time.
Which is what they're paid to do.
--
Paul-B
Re: Brundle and Allen
On Apr 12, 5:30 pm, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
> build wrote:
> > Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> > they are man enough to give one?
>
> Why should they? They owe Alonso nothing, since he wasn't watching them at the
> time.
>
> They're ex racing drivers and they called it as they saw it at the time.
>
> Which is what they're paid to do.
>
> --
> Paul-B
Paul,
If I said derogatory things about someone and it turned out I was
totally wrong I would apologise (or my Dad would come back and haunt
me). While I doubt Allen will mention it and if he does he'll add some
wimpish excuse, I must admit I'll be disappointed if Brundle does not
apologise ... We'll see.
BTW, While Murray Walker would have probably used different words in
the telecast, he would have already apologised in person and would do
so again on-air that's why he is so universally respected. I wish I
were half the man he is.
(All said in the nicest non-adversarial way)
beers,
build
On Apr 12, 5:30 pm, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1,net > wrote:
> build wrote:
> > Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> > they are man enough to give one?
>
> Why should they? They owe Alonso nothing, since he wasn't watching them at the
> time.
>
> They're ex racing drivers and they called it as they saw it at the time.
>
> Which is what they're paid to do.
>
> --
> Paul-B
Paul,
If I said derogatory things about someone and it turned out I was
totally wrong I would apologise (or my Dad would come back and haunt
me). While I doubt Allen will mention it and if he does he'll add some
wimpish excuse, I must admit I'll be disappointed if Brundle does not
apologise ... We'll see.
BTW, While Murray Walker would have probably used different words in
the telecast, he would have already apologised in person and would do
so again on-air that's why he is so universally respected. I wish I
were half the man he is.
(All said in the nicest non-adversarial way)
beers,
build
Re: Brundle and Allen
"build" <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:
> If I said derogatory things about someone and it turned out I was
> totally wrong I would apologise (or my Dad would come back and haunt
> me). While I doubt Allen will mention it and if he does he'll add some
> wimpish excuse, I must admit I'll be disappointed if Brundle does not
> apologise ... We'll see.
Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory? I didn't hear anything
of the sort. Ted Kravitz reported that some McLaren mechanics were mouthing
'brake test'. Then Brundle posed the questions whether Alonso might have
lifted off the throttle or braked - neither Allen nor Brundle stated that
they thought he had. In fact they said several times that they would like
to see the replays again, which never happened. Mark Blundell, post-race,
was more forrthright though.
> BTW, While Murray Walker would have probably used different words in
> the telecast, he would have already apologised in person and would do
> so again on-air that's why he is so universally respected. I wish I
> were half the man he is.
>
> (All said in the nicest non-adversarial way)
> beers,
> build
>
"build" <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:
> If I said derogatory things about someone and it turned out I was
> totally wrong I would apologise (or my Dad would come back and haunt
> me). While I doubt Allen will mention it and if he does he'll add some
> wimpish excuse, I must admit I'll be disappointed if Brundle does not
> apologise ... We'll see.
Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory? I didn't hear anything
of the sort. Ted Kravitz reported that some McLaren mechanics were mouthing
'brake test'. Then Brundle posed the questions whether Alonso might have
lifted off the throttle or braked - neither Allen nor Brundle stated that
they thought he had. In fact they said several times that they would like
to see the replays again, which never happened. Mark Blundell, post-race,
was more forrthright though.
> BTW, While Murray Walker would have probably used different words in
> the telecast, he would have already apologised in person and would do
> so again on-air that's why he is so universally respected. I wish I
> were half the man he is.
>
> (All said in the nicest non-adversarial way)
> beers,
> build
>
Re: Brundle and Allen
On Apr 17, 3:55 pm, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian W LawrenceREMT...@msn,com >
wrote:
> Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory?
YES, to quote the transcripts:
MB: "Alonso failed to accelerate."
MB: "He wasn't accelerating in the normal way."
MB: "Did he lift off the throttle and give it a squeeze of the brake
pedal."
Now on the last one, he could hide behind the "question" excuse as
many of the wimps on Fleet Street do, I hope not.
beers,
build
On Apr 17, 3:55 pm, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian W LawrenceREMT...@msn,com >
wrote:
> Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory?
YES, to quote the transcripts:
MB: "Alonso failed to accelerate."
MB: "He wasn't accelerating in the normal way."
MB: "Did he lift off the throttle and give it a squeeze of the brake
pedal."
Now on the last one, he could hide behind the "question" excuse as
many of the wimps on Fleet Street do, I hope not.
beers,
build
Re: Brundle and Allen
"build" <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 3:55 pm, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMT...@msn,com >
> wrote:
>
>> Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory?
>
> YES, to quote the transcripts:
>
> MB: "Alonso failed to accelerate."
I think what MB actually said was, 'somehow or other Alonso failed to
continue to accelerate'. Not quite the same thing, and merely an
observation on what appeared to have happened. Telemetry may show that
Alonso accelerated 'normally', but clearly not at the same rate as
Hamilton did. I wonder why that should be? Pat Symonds & Alonso say
that the Renault isn't as fast as the McLaren - true enough, but it
should be able to accelerate at the same sort of rate, especially as
Alonso was ahead and could accelerate before Hamilton could, yet LH
was able to accelerate fast enough to make contact.
> MB: "He wasn't accelerating in the normal way."
Compared to Hamilton he clearly wasn't.
> MB: "Did he lift off the throttle and give it a squeeze of the brake
> pedal."
>
> Now on the last one, he could hide behind the "question" excuse as
> many of the wimps on Fleet Street do, I hope not.
In what way is that not a question - apart from you leaving the question
mark off? He didn't say that Alonso HAD lifted or squeezed the brake. It
was posing a hypothetical question in the context of the 'brake test'
suggestion which came from McLaren via Kravitz.
Thereafter Brundle repeated that he'd like to see another replay before
forming a proper opinion.
I'd expect him to mention it and say that the data seems to show that
Alonso did accelerate normally. Who knows? We shall see in Spain, or
maybe not.
--
Brian
"build" <buildy@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 3:55 pm, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMT...@msn,com >
> wrote:
>
>> Did either Allen or Brundle say ANYTHING derogatory?
>
> YES, to quote the transcripts:
>
> MB: "Alonso failed to accelerate."
I think what MB actually said was, 'somehow or other Alonso failed to
continue to accelerate'. Not quite the same thing, and merely an
observation on what appeared to have happened. Telemetry may show that
Alonso accelerated 'normally', but clearly not at the same rate as
Hamilton did. I wonder why that should be? Pat Symonds & Alonso say
that the Renault isn't as fast as the McLaren - true enough, but it
should be able to accelerate at the same sort of rate, especially as
Alonso was ahead and could accelerate before Hamilton could, yet LH
was able to accelerate fast enough to make contact.
> MB: "He wasn't accelerating in the normal way."
Compared to Hamilton he clearly wasn't.
> MB: "Did he lift off the throttle and give it a squeeze of the brake
> pedal."
>
> Now on the last one, he could hide behind the "question" excuse as
> many of the wimps on Fleet Street do, I hope not.
In what way is that not a question - apart from you leaving the question
mark off? He didn't say that Alonso HAD lifted or squeezed the brake. It
was posing a hypothetical question in the context of the 'brake test'
suggestion which came from McLaren via Kravitz.
Thereafter Brundle repeated that he'd like to see another replay before
forming a proper opinion.
I'd expect him to mention it and say that the data seems to show that
Alonso did accelerate normally. Who knows? We shall see in Spain, or
maybe not.
--
Brian
Re: Brundle and Allen
build <buildy@gmail,com > wrote in
news:7b3a4745-83e2-40b4-96eb-b65daa622dc9@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com :
> Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> they are man enough to give one?
>
Personally, I could care less. I see it (now) as a probable thouroughly
justified "Hi, remember me?" from Ham. Shame it didn't damage only
Alonzo's car though.
build <buildy@gmail,com > wrote in
news:7b3a4745-83e2-40b4-96eb-b65daa622dc9@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com :
> Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> they are man enough to give one?
>
Personally, I could care less. I see it (now) as a probable thouroughly
justified "Hi, remember me?" from Ham. Shame it didn't damage only
Alonzo's car though.
Re: Brundle and Allen
On Apr 13, 7:05 am, APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote:
> build <bui...@gmail,com > wrote innews:7b3a4745-83e2-40b4-96eb-b65daa622dc9@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com :
>
> > Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> > they are man enough to give one?
>
> Personally, I could care less. I see it (now) as a probable thouroughly
> justified "Hi, remember me?" from Ham. Shame it didn't damage only
> Alonzo's car though.
Apler,
I'd guess that I'm a fair bit older than you and have very different
values because values do change with the times but there's one value
that will never change and this small piece of advise is one my father
passed to me and I try to pass to younger blokes with potential and
that is that we all crave respect but to receive respect we must first
give it. In my teens and twenties I demanded respect and never got any
but time mellowed me and somewhere in my thirties or fourties I
started to give it. Now, on occasion I receive respect and I am
honored.
I do hope and believe Lewis is a bigger man than you suggest.
Warm regards,
build
On Apr 13, 7:05 am, APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote:
> build <bui...@gmail,com > wrote innews:7b3a4745-83e2-40b4-96eb-b65daa622dc9@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com :
>
> > Looks like Brundle and Allen owe Alonso a humble apology. I wonder if
> > they are man enough to give one?
>
> Personally, I could care less. I see it (now) as a probable thouroughly
> justified "Hi, remember me?" from Ham. Shame it didn't damage only
> Alonzo's car though.
Apler,
I'd guess that I'm a fair bit older than you and have very different
values because values do change with the times but there's one value
that will never change and this small piece of advise is one my father
passed to me and I try to pass to younger blokes with potential and
that is that we all crave respect but to receive respect we must first
give it. In my teens and twenties I demanded respect and never got any
but time mellowed me and somewhere in my thirties or fourties I
started to give it. Now, on occasion I receive respect and I am
honored.
I do hope and believe Lewis is a bigger man than you suggest.
Warm regards,
build
